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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
Everybody, welcome back to the crazy hockey dads podcast episode number 21.
Scott:One. 21.
Jamie:Man, crazy town, you know?
Scott:You know, I will say just a debate in the house recently has been well, actually, no one's debating it. I'm just giving my kids a hard time. Especially my daughter. But I said to her, you know, why is it? It's like 33, 22.
Scott:Shouldn't it be one e one?
Jamie:My kids have had this conversation too.
Scott:And, you know, they're convinced it should definitely be 11. I think one e one has a reasonable argument there.
Jamie:There is a very funny Saturday Night Live skit called Washington's dream
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:Part part one and part two. Okay. Okay. He makes fun of like like our different system of weights and measures compared to the rest of the world.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:And then in the part two, he references the English language. Right? And how we have, like, ridiculous, like, ways of saying things.
Scott:Totally.
Jamie:It's very funny. You should let
Scott:Yeah. There's there's a really funny skit by remember that comedian Gallagher?
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. So he does like this whole thing where he's holding up like a you know, like the like the scoreboards that you flip over with
Jamie:like a old school from high school?
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. Totally a wreck or whatever.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:So he has one with like letters on it and he's flipping over. He has this whole skit with how ridiculous the English language is and how if it's, like, you know, comb or bomb and I don't know. It's funny, but well, maybe I'll post it on Instagram.
Jamie:Like, the two different ways to spell doughnut?
Scott:Oh, no. That's I I don't even know if that's the most hotly debated
Jamie:No. Probably not. Probably not. That's probably true.
Scott:No. But that's true. Yeah. Yeah. I went for d o n u t.
Scott:Yes.
Chris:Oh, that's right.
Jamie:That was your world for a while.
Scott:Yeah. I know a donutter too.
Jamie:Scott, in a different life, owned a donut shop.
Scott:I did. Pretty good one.
Jamie:It was good, man. Your stuff was good.
Scott:Yeah. No, it was great.
Jamie:End donut shop in Manhattan. It was good. It was really good.
Scott:I would I I won't disagree there. Yeah. Won't disagree. Yeah. You're saved on letters.
Scott:Donut with the Donut. N u t. Saves on letters.
Jamie:Yes. That that
Scott:is true. Website things and email addresses. Yeah. That's for sure.
Jamie:Yeah. Nice, man.
Scott:Yeah. So anyway, so 21, that's where all this came from. Episode 21. Back at it.
Jamie:Crazy, right? I mean, it's it's yeah. No, it's awesome. We're obviously coming at you from remote locations again. Right?
Jamie:Scott's in the bunker, back in the bunker. Scott's the hockey bunker. And I am away
Scott:again. Awesome.
Jamie:Yeah. So but listen, but we what's nice about it is that what we're using software wise, in my opinion, is so much better than what we were using when I was on my other road trip.
Scott:Oh, yeah, it's definitely.
Jamie:Don't you think?
Scott:Yeah. I listen, what I will say is this one is for someone that that isn't the most familiar with all the audio visual digital, like, settings and things. This is there's there's less levers, quote unquote, to kinda to pull in and work with. This kinda does a lot of it for you. So yeah.
Scott:That's good. Either way, all all good.
Chris:Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. So what's going on? Tell me what you've what you've been doing. I haven't I haven't spoke to you in a bunch of days.
Scott:Bunch of days.
Jamie:It's kind of true.
Scott:I do feel that way. Yeah. What's been going on? We send we shipped Otto off again.
Jamie:Again? Otto's at sleep by camp again?
Scott:Yeah. This is week number four for him. He's at a
Jamie:Must be nice.
Scott:Yeah. You know what's funny you say that because there's actually an article that already popped up on, like, my news feed or whatever about, like, like, it might even be day camps. I'm pretty sure it wasn't sleep wake camp because that's a little scandalous. But there's like day camps for like adults where like you go and basically like are a day camper and like
Jamie:Stop it.
Scott:You play fun games outdoors.
Jamie:Stop it. Swear to god. That's not a thing. No.
Scott:It's a thing.
Jamie:That can't be a thing.
Scott:I I'll okay. I'll share it with you. Anyway.
Jamie:That's frightening if that's the thing.
Scott:Yeah. So but he
Jamie:yeah. I don't know
Scott:how we got here. Otto Otto's back at camp, and he's doing, like, BMX.
Jamie:Just for the week?
Scott:For the week. Yeah.
Jamie:Oh, that's right. This is the x games he camp. Right?
Scott:Yeah. That he's gonna focus on BMX. Cool. Yeah. But kids are funny because he went to the nurse apparently on day one.
Jamie:Uh-huh.
Scott:And he called Orly and said said I went to the nurse. I tore something.
Jamie:What you think he tore?
Scott:I don't think he I I don't I don't even know if he understands what it means to tear something. I only say that because there's no there's no way that he tore something. It was, like, on the phone without, like, a medical professional present.
Jamie:So he obviously was hurt somewhere.
Scott:Yeah. Something happened. I don't know.
Jamie:Oh, that's funny, man. BMX can't be
Scott:time. Or something. He always talked to the nurse. Oh, I'm not there anymore. I'm going to my next elective.
Jamie:So clearly, you didn't tear anything.
Scott:I didn't tear anything.
Jamie:Right. It's like Aaron Judge. All right. Nice, man. Very cool.
Scott:He's back. Me?
Jamie:We are down in Cape May for a little while.
Scott:Oh, but hold on. Hold on. Sorry to interrupt you. But I just I just want to tell on myself.
Jamie:Yeah. Go ahead.
Scott:It. That last week Otto's, you know, he was away for two weeks and then he or whatever, three weeks, and then he came home immediately went right to a morning hockey clinic for the week. So
Jamie:Oh, he did?
Scott:We filled in we filled in his space, his time.
Jamie:So you had him working when he got home.
Scott:I wouldn't say I had him working, but I I mean, I guess I I am just I'm just calling that out only because we obviously talk about, like, how much we do or don't, like, have our kids, like, on the ice. So so far this summer, since school's let out, he's gone to one week of sleepaway camp, hockey camp, and then he's done, like, a four days worth of, like it was like a two hour clinic every morning. So
Jamie:Okay. Cool.
Scott:That's what that's what Nice. Yeah. Sorry. So I cut you off. You are No.
Jamie:No. No. No. Yeah. We're we're down in Cape May doing zero hockey.
Jamie:Well, I can't say zero. He he has his his his stick and his stick handling ball, so he's doing this. So he does that.
Scott:That's good.
Jamie:Other than that, no hockey, beach, swimming, kinda like, you know, mini golf. He he's like he's like hell bent on beating me in mini golf this summer. Like hell hell hell bent.
Scott:Does he have a chance?
Jamie:No. No. Yes. Not not chance.
Scott:Maybe you should get him the Happy Gilmore two putter.
Jamie:I heard the movie wasn't that great. Is that true?
Scott:I don't know. I I don't watch it with his buddy.
Jamie:Dominic watched it. Dominic loved it, but Nancy is reading the reviews, she's like, not so bad.
Scott:I don't know. I I don't think I'm so interested, to be honest.
Jamie:Yeah. I mean, what do say? The first one was tremendous.
Scott:Yeah. I know. But it was like the same thing, like, when when Dumb and Dumber two came out. I was like
Jamie:Not to say. No. No. No.
Scott:No. No. Know what I did? Know?
Jamie:No.
Scott:I think part of my my response to this is because when I saw the sequel to Coming to was it Coming to America that came out with Eddie Murphy?
Jamie:You can't make a sequel to Coming to America. I
Scott:mean but they did.
Jamie:You know, you can't I don't care. You cannot.
Scott:They did.
Jamie:You're you're not. You're sorry. Like, no. You you can only go down.
Scott:Okay. So fair.
Jamie:First of all, Arsenio Hall and Eddie Murphy even in it?
Scott:Eddie Murphy was in it. It was, almost like a I think it might have been somewhat of a comeback for him since he was out of the
Chris:Are you sure?
Scott:Yeah. I'm sure. But now you're
Jamie:God of feel
Scott:like I have to Google it.
Jamie:Google it. Is that true? I I didn't know they
Scott:it. What's the question?
Jamie:I didn't know they made it coming to America too. The first one was so good. Son, I always assumed that you had sex with your bathers. I know I do.
Scott:Alright, shithead. It Coming there? Coming to America.
Jamie:Wow. Two? Hold on. If they made a second one, that is a travesty. Like, sorry.
Jamie:Damn. This is beautiful. Velvet, is it velvet? Velvet.
Scott:What the fuck? So, yeah, it came out coming to America. It came out in 2021.
Jamie:Come is mama come clean? I'm a come clean. I I can keep going. Damn shame they did that dog.
Scott:Yeah. No. But it had all the, it had Eddie Murphy.
Jamie:Oh, Singer Hall too? Terrible. That's terrible. In 2021. So they're all old.
Scott:Yeah. But my point is, is that I watched it and I I it was such a fail in my opinion that I was like Yeah.
Jamie:That doesn't surprise me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alright.
Jamie:Nice, man. Yes. So, yeah. So we're not doing any hockey. Just relaxing.
Jamie:You know, when Dominic gets home, hockey starts up. I want to say we get back like the ninth or tenth and then hockey starts up pretty heavily.
Scott:Week?
Jamie:Week later. Yeah. Yep. You yeah. You probably have the same schedule.
Jamie:Right?
Scott:We've got one practice scheduled, that the week you're talking about, I think, on the fourteenth. He's got a practice, and then there's one then he's got a game on, like, the August 23, but we're not gonna be here. And then they got the showcase that last weekend, dog, we're not gonna be here. So I
Jamie:don't You guys are going to North Carolina. Good.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:Speaking of that showcase, the one it's like 08/26/2728, something like that. My my rant has something to do with that. Yeah. Well, that's that. We'll get to that after our our second part with Chris with our buddy, Chris Palmer.
Scott:Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
Scott:So we're gonna do part two today. That's right. But one quick note I saw, I was reading up on the AHF website and earlier, I don't know how many episodes ago, we were kind of like hating on how there's no tournaments and that we're coming out of pocket. Well, let me Yeah. Age of pocket.
Scott:Has showcases which the the organization is counting as like an you know, part of our tuition, which is, like, you know, we're just gonna play, quote, on league games. So they do open up the tournaments to non league teams.
Jamie:Yeah. I heard that too.
Scott:Yeah. Fair. So but I'm just I'm just calling that out because That's great.
Jamie:Don't win anything.
Scott:Oh, okay. Well, whatever the deal is, all I'm saying is that it's there there is, like, an opening there for it to be, like, kind of, like, less restrictive perhaps is a way of putting it. I I mean, I I don't think you're gonna have a ton of teams signing up personally.
Jamie:I don't think so either.
Scott:But, you know, you know.
Jamie:Yeah. Hockey, man. I'm telling you. Big, big, big business.
Scott:Big business. Yeah.
Jamie:Big business. Huge sports. Huge business. Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:So, yeah, so so hockey cranks up when we get back. Right? The season's gonna be here before we know it. We have
Scott:Are you looking forward to it?
Jamie:I think I am. Yeah. I am. Dominic Dominic's been wanting to play since May.
Scott:Chomping on the bit.
Jamie:Yeah, man. He's been wanting to play since May, so he's ready to go. I don't know if his skates will be ready to go when he gets back in them. You know, they were a little big on him, so that's gonna be an interesting
Scott:That was that was the part of the problem?
Jamie:They're big on him. He got new skates. Right? We talked about that a couple episodes ago. So he I'm not sure if he's gonna be able to turn by opening by opening opening weekend.
Jamie:I'm not so sure how that's going to go. We may have to squish his foot back into his old skates.
Scott:How much how much bigger are the new skates?
Jamie:I mean, they fit him, but but they're big. They it went from a he went from a junior to an intermediate. So they're big. That three on three that he did, he he can barely turn. I mean, he's he's he's awkward turning.
Scott:So okay.
Jamie:He just
Scott:I'll I'll I'll hold I'll hold back my giggling, and I apologize.
Jamie:No. No. No. You giggle away. I mean, I I mean, you have to.
Jamie:He knows it too.
Scott:Hold on. But but my question is the okay. So it's a bigger there's there's there's more boots.
Jamie:It's a bigger skate. Jook's bigger. The blade's longer. Like, everything's bigger.
Scott:Okay. No. I understand that. But the actual size, like, whatever they sized him for Right. How much bigger is that than the his old skate?
Scott:Like, was previously in a size of what?
Jamie:His old skate was a junior three.
Scott:Junior three. And then he went to an intermediate what? Four and a half. So is that like a natural progression there? Like it's just So he went up one and a half sizes.
Scott:Correct. And
Jamie:and that And you feel that
Scott:part's correct?
Jamie:Yeah. They they measured his foot. I think that was correct. You know? So listen, what maybe he's a little it's a little big for him to skate.
Jamie:Yeah. You know, because the four we tried on was his his toes were pushing up against the boot In the toe box, right? So. So I guess we'll see how that goes. So so the guy's like, don't want to sell you a four.
Jamie:He's like, because you're going be back here in a couple months, you know, needing new skates. You know, when you're paying $1,100 for skates plus two sets of steel, you know, so you're capping out a big money. Yeah. You know, he I get it. Right?
Jamie:I mean, he listen. He I'm not saying he doesn't fit into them, but he just needs to figure them out. I remember when we went from a from a a youth skate to a junior, I remember it was very similar. Oh, yeah? Very similar progression.
Scott:Interesting.
Jamie:He was he was semi retarded for, like, a month on his on his skates. You know? Interesting.
Scott:Okay. Well, I I wish him great success.
Jamie:So I'm not so he's looking forward to it. I'm not sure that listen. We're gonna see what happens.
Scott:Yo. So I so I think I think this happened between last the last last episode. What's that? So yeah. It was.
Scott:It definitely was. So Otto was at this, like, skating, like, this week long. They call it a camp. I don't know how they get away with calling things camps when it's, like, two hours, like, in the morning. That's not really camp.
Jamie:Yeah. They say camp because it's Monday through Friday.
Scott:This is well, this was Monday through Thursday.
Jamie:Okay. Similar. Got it.
Scott:So anyway, he's at this camp and and sure enough, Orly calls me, she goes
Jamie:Oh, know what you're gonna say.
Scott:His doesn't really fit in the boot anymore. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, well, he takes off his skates and, like, you know, it's all red. Like, on one of one foot's longer than the other. Oops.
Scott:So anyway, so they immediately then went to pure hockey, right, like, last Wednesday. So look at me laughing, like, two episodes ago.
Jamie:You're laughing at Volmer and I about dropping $1,100 on skates.
Scott:So okay. Was, like, one like, a week ago. Yep. And now I but it's okay. So this is so this is what happened.
Jamie:Yep.
Scott:So Otto tried on a few different pair just to see if anything fit better, different. He's traditionally worn vapors.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:And honestly, ended up going with a pair of CCMs and he tried on different like boots, not really paying attention to the price point because it really didn't really let him see it. Although Okay. He knew he tried one pretty expensive pair on. He ended up liking
Jamie:He tried the flat lights. Right?
Scott:Yeah. Which he didn't he didn't like. Yeah. I don't know why. Then he ended
Jamie:up Good thing.
Scott:He he chose he chose CCM, like, f t eight ninety, which is not like the eight pro. It's like Okay. First level down
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. And we're still in, the junior junior junior skate. You're a like the intermediate price bracket.
Jamie:Size is the like a like a twelve or an eleven?
Scott:No. No. He's out of that. What's what's up? That's youth, then junior.
Jamie:Sorry. So he's like a one, two, or three?
Scott:So he's he got TS twos.
Jamie:Twos. Okay.
Scott:Twos. Got a smaller foot.
Jamie:So you're one and a half sizes away from the intermediate skate.
Scott:I'm sure that'll be, like, by the end of the season.
Jamie:Caps out three and a half, I'm pretty sure, which is what
Scott:In any event. So we did end up going with the top of the line.
Jamie:Okay.
Scott:Cool. We didn't even have to have that conversation with him. And Right. Yeah. All good.
Jamie:Alright. Cool. Nice, man. So new skates. Dare I ask how much you dropped?
Jamie:Do you even wanna tell our lovely crowd? You don't have to.
Scott:5 like, somewhere around $500.
Jamie:Yeah. Hey. Listen. Just keep feeding the hockey monster. He's very hungry.
Scott:Well, I will tell you.
Jamie:Dude, we should do T shirts. The hockey monster.
Scott:The hockey monster.
Jamie:The hockey monster.
Scott:Gobbling dollar bills.
Jamie:Absolutely. Just throwing dollar bills down his throat. Dude, we we absolutely should do the hockey monster. That should be Yeah. A
Scott:Okay. Well Yeah. I'll get right on that, Rose.
Jamie:Was that a hold on. Was that a Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm gonna guess.
Jamie:I wanna say A League of Their Own, but I know it's not right.
Scott:No. It's from Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. Man. Mark it yourself, Metallica Breath.
Jamie:Oh my god. Was way off. Slippy Swamy Samsonite. I was way off.
Scott:Alright. So so you mentioned just before today's guest, Chris Palmer's
Jamie:back for the round. Everybody loved our our last episode did really well. And everybody, we got a lot of great feedback on our first interview with our buddy, Chris. Yeah, no, it went so well that we're bringing him back for round two. He's excited.
Jamie:Spoke to him yesterday. You know, we are going to so Chris is coming shortly for you guys, and we may even do a part three with
Scott:Chris. Okay.
Jamie:Yeah. If that's okay. If everybody wants to hear it, we're getting some requests for a part three because Chris Chris and I were, a part of putting together that very high level Rockets team that his son still plays on. And it was me, him, and another parent who we also need to have on at some point in time. But I think it's just gonna be Chris for this time.
Jamie:And they're requesting part three, the architects.
Scott:Okay. Okay.
Jamie:So we'll see. We'll see.
Scott:George Lucas directing this trilogy.
Jamie:We'll see. Yes. That's exactly what it could be. We could put this out on Netflix. Okay.
Jamie:We just need Netflix to come pick it up.
Scott:Yeah. I'm I'm sure they're gonna get it right on that one.
Jamie:Listen. There have been stranger documentaries.
Scott:I won't disagree I won't disagree with that. Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:But, but yeah, so that was, it was very well received. So we got Chris, part two of Chris coming up shortly. You wanna shout out our, our partners?
Scott:Yeah, sure. So Howie's still going strong. Crazy 10 discount code for 10% off at Howie's.
Jamie:Love I love Howie's.
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Jamie:No big deal.
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Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:And then your buddy. Your buddy, Eric?
Scott:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I thought you were gonna say something about Angelo. Yeah.
Jamie:And then Angelo is great. Love Angelo. Angelo is awesome. If you need if you want to fix your kid's stride, Angelo is the guy to do it and you're in our area. Angelo is guy do it.
Scott:Know, I saw he was interviewing Armenian, outside of
Jamie:Not Surprised.
Scott:Cody Arena.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Arum Arum's been skating with him for a long time.
Scott:For a long time. Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:Current yeah. He's gonna his his season's cranking up soon. Right? Big big BC defenseman. I wanna say he was drafted by the blues or the stars.
Jamie:I wanna say blues. I wanna say St. Louis blues. Could be. But, yeah, Aram is Aram's that BC team is gonna be interesting this year.
Jamie:I think we're gonna have another BCBU rivalry this year, not like you have it every year, but I think those two teams again are gonna be pretty legit.
Scott:The dogfight usually. I mean, it usually is.
Jamie:Yeah. It usually is. But I think those two teams are pretty evenly matched. No.
Scott:Jeez. You know, I have been the last couple of years.
Jamie:I I don't know. I don't
Scott:know how much they're, like, they're losing and how much they're gaining. You know, like, obviously, Ryan Leonard, a few others are gone. Yes. So be you likewise. But
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:We'll see.
Jamie:They keep reloading, though. Both of them.
Scott:I know. It's it's crazy.
Jamie:You know? Both those teams I'm so excited for college hockey. I'm so excited.
Scott:I know. It'll be good. Yeah. It'll be good. And then just to finish up with partners, so athletic performance insight, I mentioned last week.
Jamie:Her buddy, Eric. Right?
Scott:Yeah. Eric out in Ohio. So if any of our listeners have been thinking about, video or analytics for their team, I don't know. We got some coaches or maybe some, team managers that are listening. Check out our friends at Athletic Performance Insight.
Scott:They have a very easy to use affordable system that's helping teams from as young as like youth travel, like what we talk about mostly all the way up to the ACHA college champions they tagged last year. So check out athleticperformanceinsight.com. And then Eric said, just taking a look at my notes over here, he said
Jamie:Valuable tool for any team.
Scott:Oh, a 100%. Oh, yeah. And if you wanna request a demo, they'll tag one of your games at no cost just so you can see what the end result is and what kind of analytics will come out on the back end. So definitely take them up on that, and any new users will get 10% off a season subscription by mentioning Crazy Hockey Dads. So if nothing else, please take a look, especially if you think, video analytics is something that, is gonna help level up your team, your kid's team.
Scott:You know? Yeah. It's it's a great tool. Know? We all learn differently.
Jamie:We have awesome partners.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:We're very lucky. And hopefully, our listeners go support. If you guys need have a use frame of stuff, please go check it out.
Scott:Yeah, no doubt. So let's, let's just finish up before we kick it over to, Chris. Geography updates.
Jamie:Geography updates. So we we were kind of cranking the last couple episodes.
Scott:Yeah, we were.
Jamie:We so we were only a couple of states shy right here in The US. I want to say six states shy in The US. Didn't pick up any new ones. Didn't pick up any new overseas. I think we're in 17 countries.
Jamie:Didn't pick anybody up, but we did pick up. We got all 10 Canadian provinces. And then there's three territories, if I'm not mistaken. And the Yukon is one of them. And we picked up the Yukon.
Scott:Nice,
Jamie:dude. So that was cool. You know? So our Canadian presence is going very strong. We love our Canadian listeners.
Jamie:Thank you very much. Appreciate it. We love all of our listeners, period. You know? Thank you for all of you for sharing the show and listening and downloading.
Jamie:Even on on quiet days, you guys are downloading, which is wild. Thank We you so really appreciate it. We couldn't do this without you. We hope that you're finding value. Again, write us, you know, if you want to hear something, if you want to talk about a story.
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:Speaking of writing in, good segue. I'm going to cut you off because we are actually we've been taking our time here. But, so we did have a listener, write in, and I'll read the I'll read it real quick.
Jamie:Crazy crazy story. So
Scott:alright. So hold on. So so, hey, Scott. Jamie, love the show. I thought I'd share a recent low point in my hockey dad journey that
Jamie:still Ouch.
Scott:That still makes my wife cringe every time she sees the Visa bill.
Jamie:Yikes. Yikes.
Scott:He said, okay. So for his son's twelfth birthday, he he thought it would be cool to surprise him with a weekend camp. Oh, god. So it wasn't just any camp apparently. This one was run by a former d one guy who now calls himself a development specialist.
Scott:Oh. Has his, what he says, slick IG presence.
Jamie:Okay. Dope most of them.
Scott:Yeah. Slick. I like the slick. Yes. So anyways, long story short, the camp was three hours away.
Scott:He spent over a grand all in for the weekend and he said his son hated it.
Jamie:Oh, man.
Scott:His son hated it. Well, this is the craziest part. He said that so the kid was complaining that the coach was yelling at him the whole time, made them do conditioning drills like it was they're in the military and didn't even let them scrimmage once.
Jamie:Oh, god.
Scott:Yeah. I don't know. That's that's rough. Usually, they try to keep
Jamie:You only do the scrimmage at the end. Right?
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. But hold on. This is this is the the the so on the drive home, I asked what is so it's like dad's asking his kid. I asked what he learned.
Scott:The kid said, learned I don't wanna do my birthday with you anymore. He said, said, Anyway, thanks for making me feel less insane for caring too much. He said, Next year he's getting laser tag and pizza like a normal kid.
Jamie:Hockey dad fail. Big hockey dad fail. Fail. Big
Scott:So Massachusetts.
Jamie:There you go. Oh, listen. I mean, we've all been there, obviously. Right? I mean
Scott:Some version of it.
Jamie:It's funny you say that, Scott, because I actually had a hockey mom who who I go back and forth with, who Dominic knows. She listens to the podcast. Her son just did a week up in Lake Placid at Can Am. Yeah. Can Am is not cheap.
Jamie:Yeah. You know, so like that thousand bucks that our listener from Massachusetts just spent for the hockey camp like I want to say Can Am is like. $3. I could be wrong, but it's I don't I don't think it's I think it's more than
Chris:$1,000.
Jamie:Let's put that way. Yeah. Well, so yeah, so yeah, but so, so she just had her son there and she says to me, she goes, I think we're trying something different next year. She goes up. She goes, I don't think he wants to go back.
Chris:Interesting.
Jamie:Yeah. Blake Placid.
Scott:Yeah. Listen. Sometimes you don't know until you know.
Jamie:Yeah. I think your son didn't like it because he can't hit. And now he's a big hitter, this kid. And they were don't think they were letting him hit during camp. I'm sure there were a bunch of other things he didn't like.
Jamie:But but she said, you know what? We're trying something different next year.
Scott:Okay. Well, you live and you learn. That's part of life.
Jamie:Way into, you know? That's like me buying it's like me buying a shotgun for my wife for her birthday. Hey, babe, look what I got you. About that?
Scott:You really do that?
Jamie:No, I didn't do that. But I'm just saying like, you know, it's like it's like when you buy
Scott:a gift for yourself.
Jamie:Yeah, exactly. Right.
Scott:Yeah, exactly.
Jamie:You know? So yes. Thank you for thank you both from Massachusetts. Sorry that that didn't work out.
Scott:I'm sure he's not his
Jamie:insurance over
Scott:it right now.
Chris:Yes.
Scott:Anyway. Alright. So what do you say?
Chris:Right. Peek
Scott:it over to Chris.
Chris:I'll throw it over to our
Jamie:buddy, Chris Vollmer. You guys really liked it. So here we are for part two with our buddy, Chris Vollmer. Again, hope you guys enjoy it.
Scott:All right. All right. Well, welcome back, everyone. We've got our second episode with Chris Vollmer. Chris, welcome back.
Scott:Thank you for your first the first episode we did with you last week and are excited to have you back.
Chris:Hey, man. I appreciate it. Again, I hope it went well and everybody liked it. And obviously, you guys must like it. It came back a little bit, so it's good.
Scott:Oh, yeah. A 100% is great.
Jamie:Well received. Very well received by the community. No question about it.
Scott:No doubt. So alright. So I think, you know, from the last episode, we were talking about how you had been keeping Ryan off the ice, you know, for a good part of the early summer, but now it sounds like you're back into the throws. Like, hockey season is starting.
Chris:Yeah. Like I like I was telling you guys off the air is, you know, felt really good about myself of really controlling, listen to what our coach said about keeping them off May, April, May, and June, not doing much, trying to play other sports, letting them be a kid for a little while. And it seems that I fallen off the deep end of the pool here in July and haven't been home for for a couple of weeks and doing the living in Massachusetts and now sitting here in Toronto in a camp and realizing what the hell did I do to myself. I I just wanna be home on my bed. He's exhausted.
Chris:And yeah.
Jamie:And, yeah, Liz and Liz has not divorced
Scott:you that.
Chris:You could try to try to take the crazy. I try I try not to be crazy, but you wanna drive back in.
Scott:It does sound like though it's you're you're, you're doing better than last season, though, or last spring summer. Right? So you you it's progress, not perfectionist.
Chris:Exactly right. That's exactly right. By the time they're 18 or 19, hopefully, I have it figured out by the time by the time hockey's done.
Scott:You'll be dialed in. Yeah. But so, you know, you were just, you were just, mentioning about playing other sports, and, you know, that's something that we've talked about a little bit in the past. But, you know, just in terms of because you hear that a lot. Right?
Scott:The coaches are always saying it was really important that kids play other sports, but then, of course, their sport always has to take priority and blah blah blah. What's what's been your experience, you know, with Ryan and and playing second sports? And and is that something that he likes to do? Or yeah. Because I know you were saying how driven he's been with hockey since Yeah.
Chris:Beginning. Yeah. He definitely likes to do it. But the funny thing is, is like when you sign him up or do something, he's always worried that, well, I have this skate or this is going on and I don't want to miss that. Right?
Chris:So it's always the struggle to sign him up, But once he gets into it and starts playing it, they obviously, you know, they they love it. They love doing different things. I mean, listen, all these boys are for the most part and girls highly competitive. So no matter what you do, when you put them in a competitive atmosphere, you know, they want to try to be the best of what they have. Personally, for me, I love it because, you know, like one, you spend a season of rec basketball or lacrosse or baseball, and it costs $250, $300 for a season versus for one skate.
Chris:Right. And, and I personally, you know, I go and I have zero, I'm not expecting him to be the best or to overachieve. I'm looking for him to pick up some other skill and honestly, to have some fun without me personally, somebody else breathing down his neck or something like that when he comes off. And so I look at it like I actually find myself enjoyed watching it more because I'm coming from a different lens where he doesn't have to be competitive or anything like that. And and I think he gets stuff out of that.
Chris:I mean, it hasn't been consistent where he's playing. You know, he did two years of baseball and that fell off. You know, they did football for a year, but football tackle football was really hard because you really need dedication. Lacrosse was pretty simple this year. He did lacrosse for the first time.
Scott:Okay.
Chris:I get just enough from them to be running outside, different concepts being outside. It is funny though, because I have one funny story about it. It was like, we were playing, it was last year we were playing baseball. He was so excited. It was like a playoff game or something going on.
Chris:Man, he would talking about it all day long and then it rained. And he lost his marbles about why we could play in the rain. We could play in the rain. And so I was like, Brian, I mean, people in the planet is like, you know, you're used to playing hockey where it's the same I mean, unless there's 25 inches of snow on the ground and by the
Jamie:Or unless the ice melts.
Chris:Yeah. Unless the ice melts or somebody's roof goes on fire and Jersey and there's no ice coming on, but I mean, otherwise, you know, you're weather dependent and he just could not understand the concept of canceling a baseball game because of rain.
Jamie:Meanwhile, it's funny you said like 25 inches of snow. You were just about to say that you and I experienced that when we were in Buffalo.
Chris:We didn't. Fucked in Buffalo. Yeah, man. We got about oh, God. Snowed in 40 some inches, but crazy enough to be driving to and from a game or, you know, doing something.
Chris:Right?
Jamie:That's for
Scott:sure. I was there also.
Jamie:Oh, Scott was there. I forgot.
Scott:He's smart.
Jamie:He left early.
Scott:Yeah. We we we bailed on, I think, the I you know, the the that's this was an interesting, like, situation. So I coached Otto, pretty much from his the beginning of his, travel club career, whatever you wanna call it. And, so I was a coach and all these parents were put like they they want to keep on playing, you know, and and like me being also a parent wanting to like to see, you know, play what still, but like I felt like, listen, if we decide to like go travel through wherever and someone gets to a car wreck, it was like this this whole situation where I felt a lot of pressure from parents that they wanted to stay and play. And I was like, listen.
Scott:What what what's the point? This the like, the weather is a state of emergency. Like Yeah. Why why are we fighting this? And was like, we should just go home and try to get home as soon as possible as opposed to being out here.
Scott:But the level like, it was like that was probably the most the most heated I think families got in terms of like, you know
Jamie:Oh, because some wanted to stay?
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. And I I ultimately said, listen, I obviously I can't make everyone drive home. I said, I'm not staying just to let you know. And if, you know, and I I told the assistant coach, listen, I I I we can't make people leave.
Scott:I get that. But like, I'm just telling you, this is I'm doing. But people I don't know. You guys stayed there too. I thought that was crazy.
Scott:It's about how crazy youth sports is. The NFL cancels in
Jamie:Buffalo. I was just gonna say that. I have a fucking crazy story about that. Christy.
Chris:And you know we I did mean? Today. Well, we are getting, of course, like all of us nuts. We're undefeated in the tournament. Got a good chance of possibly winning the damn thing.
Chris:Right? Yep. Everybody wants to stay. Yep. So it's like 06:30, 07:00 in the morning.
Chris:I literally look out my window and you can't see two inches in front of that, that window. I mean, it was just coming down and then you get the email from, you know, from the thing, we're going to try to play the games. And then fifteen minutes later, torment's canceled, everybody shelter in place. Yeah. Then half the other crazy people like, oh, hell no.
Chris:We're leaving.
Jamie:A lot of them left.
Chris:Of them did. And then you get phone calls and text messages. Turned around. Later, this might have been the dumbest decision I've ever made in my life.
Jamie:Something got turned around by the cops, by the Buffalo cops. They turned him around and drove him back to the hotel.
Chris:Yeah.
Jamie:So Chris, I remember, before we played our fourth game, which was our outdoor game. Right? You were we were in that that restaurant bar across the street, and and the NFL had just canceled and moved the game yeah. To Buffalo's
Chris:game. Buford was coming to Buffalo to play a playoff game, and they canceled the Buffalo Bills playoff game. They moved it. Buffalo. Well, they didn't cancel it.
Chris:They moved it a day.
Jamie:They moved it. Yeah. Moved it. They moved it.
Chris:And there we are thinking we should be able to play youth youth hockey.
Jamie:So I remember I remember looking at Chris. We're sitting at the bar. And I remember looking at Chris, and I'm like, Chris, I'm like, you think we're really gonna have this tomorrow morning? And he's like, listen. He's like, you know, probably maybe I'm like, like they just moved the NFL game.
Jamie:I'm like, you think they're going to let a youth hockey tournament go on and you're like, Ah, it's Buffalo. Maybe they know how to remove snow better than other than other places. Probably do. I'm sure they definitely do, by the way, because the plows you asked Nancy the plows in that place are off the charts. Bonkers tanks with plows on them.
Chris:So I think we're at the Westin, right? Is that where we are at the we were? Yeah, Westin turned into holy hell because now you have people locked in there. They ran out of food. You have all these hockey teams.
Scott:Oh Jesus.
Chris:All these parents now with just coolers sitting down. And by the way, the Pittsburgh Steelers were staying at the same hotel.
Jamie:Steelers pulled
Chris:in. Yep. It was May. It was literally I've never seen anything till mayhem in my life. It was crazy.
Jamie:I remember we left in a caravan like Monday or Tuesday morning, whatever it was. Like, were just like, we're leaving. So we just left. We all met With windshield
Chris:wiper fluid frozen, and I'm literally pouring windshield wiper fluid in a in a in a red cup and pouring it down so we can As we're driving to be at the windshield wiper slope because of the salt.
Jamie:Can Water
Chris:water on our windshields.
Jamie:It's because the stuff froze. It was like talk about a crazy, crazy hockey pearts.
Chris:Oh my God. There was two kids in the car, too. So it wasn't like it wasn't that bad. It made my experience, right? It's like
Jamie:no danger at all.
Chris:No danger. Yep.
Scott:Yeah. That was crazy.
Jamie:Oh my god. Scott, I forgot you were there. You were there.
Scott:Yeah. So that's what's the best. I mean, I'm just thinking about this. I met think that's where I met Phil for the first time because I went over to see when you guys were playing the, the junior terriers.
Jamie:I'm pretty sure you met Chris too. I'm pretty sure I introduced you to Chris when we were upstairs.
Scott:Yeah. So anyway, so that was, yeah, that was a crazy story.
Jamie:I mean Yes.
Scott:Yeah. View sports. But For sure. So one of the other things I think coming just thinking back on the last podcast and we're just talking about like, you know, one thing about just being like this hockey dad where it's like we're kind of all engrossed in kind of like, well, when's practice, when are, you know, tryouts, when are the games, when there's extra clinics, this and that. But then at some point through all this, it's like you also find yourself like, oh, shit.
Scott:Like, I'm this kid's parent also and oftentimes sports, like, put at least for me, and I think I'd probably speak on behalf of all of us also, but like, you know, it can make us a little cuckoo, especially when we're putting in so much time, effort, energy into one thing. And, you know, we all have our own, you know, or I guess our own ways of going about like parenting through all this. But like, you know, I'd be curious, Chris, just to kinda hear a little bit about like how it's been for you. And and before that, just real quick on on my end, like having been Otto's coach, I did a lot of comparing of him to other kids because I was like on the ice with these kids trying to like figure out how we're gonna like make this whole thing work. And I'm not just focused on my kid like a lot of us are when we're watching a game.
Scott:You're you tend you you know, I think a lot of people are certainly at the younger ages are following their kid around a lot more than they're watching others.
Chris:Mhmm.
Scott:But I'd tell you, like, I I did a lot of comparing and contrasting in my head and saying, my god, why not now? Why why not yet? How come, you know, I thought we'd be in a different spot at this point? And, you know, it it took a little bit of time for me to get a a better balance on how to talk to him about hockey outside of the rink. You know?
Chris:Oh, man. Yeah. Well, that's I feel like it's a loaded question for me right there because it's kind of this it's too. It's it's twofold for me. Because again, I know we talked about it again, maybe episode three of that, which is maybe down in future is about talking about how we started the team we're at.
Chris:Right? And that was all heavy lifting from myself, Jamie, and Phil, right, to start this. So when you're starting that, my first year or two, you know, being team manager with those guys and then, you know, when Jamie and Phil were no longer around, that burden came to me a 100% was, you know, you're worrying about other kids. Right? We didn't have the coach running at the start.
Chris:Right? And so we were the ones of looking for the talent, going out, speaking to parents, you know, running everything. I I can't tell you how much time in the I'd wake up in the morning and I have 10 text messages at 05:30 from another parent or somebody like that. And right? And so then I'm doing calls at night and my work schedule.
Chris:And so I can't even concentrate on him because I'm concentrating on all this other thing. I'm trying to keep this team together, make sure these parents are happy and, you know, and all that. Right? So you have that, and then he feels that by the way. And so it's the exact opposite.
Chris:So first is like, you're not paying attention to me. Why do you gotta talk to these people? What are you doing? And then that falls into, hey, this player is good. Well, need this player.
Chris:He's good. And we're like, well, I'm good. And then so it's like all this other emotion that's coming from because, like, kind of like you said, Scott, if you're on the if you're on the bench, right, these are players that you need to get ice time. You have to put them out there in certain situations. Right?
Chris:And I so Mike concentrated in that, then he hated it. Right. So I had to pull away this year. I'm not the manager anymore. It's like, it was, I, it was what's best for myself, my relationship, family, my, you know, my with Ryan, but I have a, you know, another thing is like, you know, Ryan's best friend.
Chris:It's like I told you, we do a parent, right? It's like we, there's two families that have two kids and we're always in the car together and these boys have been together in three and so, you know, they've been developing together. Right. And now you start having this crazy puberty thing and everything hitting and some he's growing faster and one's at a little different spot is a development and, you know, that can put a strain on it is because, you know, you think he's better. He does this, you know, he's it's so it puts a strain right now on my relationship with him at times because when you try to act normal and just be truthful, they don't understand, you know, if you say somebody's, Hey, he played, that kid played a good game or this did this.
Chris:They take that as a slight that they didn't play or that's something right. And don't get me wrong. I'm not, you know, how I myself, perfectionist is not the right word, but I always challenge myself. I always want to know in my business of what I do, what I did wrong. If I did something wrong, then I know I can fix it.
Chris:And so, you know, when you get off and I tried to be better about it over the last couple months, you know, I'm trying not to have those car conversations. I don't go in and watch practice anymore because that just makes me more frustrated. Right. So I tried to have a little bit more positive is not the right word, but a muted, you know what mean? Not, not be so critical or have more conversations, by the way, it's, it's not fully, still the it's, it's not the best cause he gets competitive and he comes back me.
Chris:And I feel like our relationship right now over the last couple months has become not what it used to be. Where I always said is my son was my best friend, right? Like I, there's nothing more than I love than spending time with him doing this. I will give everything I have. As long as he loves doing what he's doing.
Chris:I will try to spend every resource, my time, my energy. Want to make them successful if that's what he wants to do. But, but, but you ultimately want him to be happy. And again, some of the stuff that we do, and I say this, and again, I could be hard on him just as anybody else. I am hard on like, but I hope that when he's 25, 26, 27, he has his own children one day.
Chris:He can go back. You know, he wasn't being an asshole. He loved me. He, he did these things for me. Right?
Chris:Like, I'm literally working. Yep. I have my, I'm working in Toronto at a Holiday Inn Express right now running a business because my son wants to be up here. Right? And so I know he doesn't understand that, but these are the points of time where I come back and I can get frustrated and it's never about it's for me, it's a lot of, and I'm sure a million people say this about effort.
Chris:Right. Or what they do. And, so for me, when I get frustrated at those those points time and it just happened, right? I mean, honestly, fifteen minutes ago, right before we got on call and it would came off the ice and it was not anything critical on my thought. It was very common.
Chris:All I just said is like, wow. You know, these are big boys up here. I mean, these kids play big and fast. I mean, you looked a little timid going into the corners. I mean, that's something that you got to think about when you're going.
Chris:It was literally something as simple as that. That threw him off right away. Like, got mad. Like, I was critical of him and doing something. I wasn't trying to be.
Chris:It was just one of those, hey, this is what's happening. This is how the game is changing. And, so I feel like every conversation we have, whether it's school or hockey right now has become tension filled. And I hate I have to be honest, I hate it. Yeah.
Chris:You know? And, and again, when you have other kids on his team that I've brought into the mix, we've done this stuff and you say this kid had a good game or, hey, this person wants to talk to this person, do stuff. And then he gets frustrated like, well, you're, you know, the whole world glazing. You're well, you're glazing him or you're doing stuff like that. Like, you know, and I'm like, no.
Chris:Right. That's that's not, you know, that's not the case. Right? So, yeah, I mean, so the relationship that I think that we all have with our kids and what we do for us is this tricky situation because you want the best for them. Right.
Chris:You, you, everybody wants somebody else to think that their kid is good next to the other kid that's right there. Right. And that's not always the case. Right. You know, had this football coach when I was growing up, like, you know, we were good.
Chris:We won a state championship. We did stuff. And he's like, man, you guys think you're good. You're just all relative. You're good for New York.
Chris:You're good for long island. You're good. You know, you know, it's like this whole thing, this whole rep, this whole everything's relative. Right? Yeah.
Chris:You're good. But are you good when you come up to Canada? Are you good when you, you know, you know, do stuff. So, so that critical part becomes the, you know, for me, the hard, the hard thing of how, how I balance that to try to be supportive, But, but also give them I mean, somebody's gotta tell them the truth. Right?
Chris:And then I think I feel like for me is like my father, I'm the father. I love him more than anything. Right. I mean, I'll say this right now. Right.
Chris:I, I love my wife. I love my daughter, but as I'm sure my wife relationship with my daughter is having a girl, you know, having a little boy, when you're a man, there's just something
Jamie:special about
Chris:that. There's something innate about it. Right. It was like, about that wanted that. Right.
Chris:And that just, and so, but you you tell them you love him, you do these things, but you know, the real way I always said it was like, I had a conversation. I'm like, Ryan, I'm trying to teach you to be a man. I mean, literally, I'm trying to teach you, you know, what translates here in these sports of what you're doing is hopefully that something's going to translate to business one day. That's how you run, how will you run your family? How god forbid, I'm not here one day.
Chris:Something happens to me Yeah. That you're able to, you know, handle these situations without daddy always having to come to the rescue. Right? And they're 13. He don't know they understand it, and I get that.
Chris:And there's frustration, especially with this whole new puberty thing kick in. Don't know how you guys ask your question. It's like, yeah, obviously, because the boys are, you know, well, Jamie, yours. I mean, so Otto's how old now?
Scott:Yeah. So Otto's 10 going on 11. So it's So
Chris:you're about to come you're about to come into it.
Jamie:He's not there yet.
Scott:Oh, not there.
Chris:Yeah. And again, I'm not even pull there. And I just I went through with my daughter, and I thought that, you know, the daughter was gonna be harder. Right? And, you know, they're coming into their own.
Chris:They're very opinionated. They have their things. They're kind of set in their ways and you just try to say one thing and it's like, and I'm not the parent that is like, oh yeah, okay. Turn, turn the blind eye, walk away, let things calm down. I mean, that's right.
Jamie:No, I'm not either. And, you know, it's funny, Chris, because I'm experiencing a very similar thing with Dominic right now. It's hard to be not critical, but it's hard to tell them that you think that they're doing something incorrectly without them getting offended. Right. You know, I'm sure I'm sure there's some kids out there that take that and actually go, Okay, my dad's trying to help me.
Jamie:But a lot of them get offended, right? My my kid certainly gets offended. He thinks I'm coming after him. Right? And I think all we're really trying to do is make our kids as successful as we are or even more successful.
Jamie:Right? Because like you said, you're not going to be around forever. We're not going to be around forever. And we want our kids to be to grow up to be men and be able to handle, you know, life because life is hard. Life's not easy.
Jamie:And it's funny that you mentioned, you know, the car ride, because that's actually something I was going to ask you about. You know, the car ride, I think in our game, because you're not just driving around the corner for the most part, right? You're driving an hour, an hour and a half, two hours, three hours, wherever you're going. Right. You know, the car ride is a very challenging thing, especially for really type A, really competitive parents.
Jamie:Know that. Same. Guilty. Right. I mean, you know, that's why we're on this podcast because that's why we go listen to this.
Jamie:I don't
Chris:want to lose ever to anybody. I mean, I play my wife in cornhole in the backyard and I want to beat her quirk by nothing. Like literally like that's, I mean, there's nothing that
Jamie:I Right. Exactly. Like, here I am down in Cape May, and Dominic keeps telling me all week. He's like, dad, this is the year I'm going to beat you in mini golf. Right?
Jamie:So like, my kid is just as competitive, right? So like, it creates like a little animosity, but it creates a competitive nature, which is great in these kids. But when you tell them something and you're trying to and you don't mean anything by it, but you're trying to say, Hey bud, like, you know, you did this, maybe this will help even better, you know, and they get offended and it's hard to have a rational conversation. At least it's hard for me to have a rational conversation with Dominic because he gets so offended when I try to tell him something and help him.
Scott:Let let me ask you a question, though. Like, so when it comes to when it comes to, like, whatever it is you're you're talking about. Right? Like, I guess there might be, like, an off game where, like, maybe the coach hasn't had a moment to, like, talk to him about it. But if it if it any of this that we're talking about is not necessarily, like, an isolated incident, like, game, whatever, if it's more of, like, more of a habitual thing, like, let's just take a back check, for example.
Scott:I mean, Otto's doesn't does does not back check as hard as I think he could, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that has that opinion about their kid. But, so that's something that I know he's gotten feedback from coaches on. So I I I I'm just curious about the difference between feedback that your kids might be getting also from their coaches that you're like maybe reinforcing perhaps versus feedback that is just like, you know, something in particular in one game, like, got you upset and then you just you know, something he's only hearing from you. Have you have you seen a difference in the way either one of your kids respond if depending on, like, what it is you're talking about?
Jamie:My kid gets offended at anything. So, Chris, I'll I'll let you go.
Scott:Even if the coaches are giving him that feedback also? Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. It doesn't matter.
Chris:My my kid, for the most part, I mean, he'll listen to feedback from somebody else really sometimes harder on me. And, again, we always told me, you know, from other coach Joe, he listens well. He takes instruction. He does stuff. You know, people like them.
Chris:In terms of that stuff about games, will say, and Jamie has experiences. I'm lucky because our coach does a phone call with the kids. Every child on our team has to schedule a phone call with the kid before Wednesday, after the weekend. So the weekend of games and tournament doesn't matter. He will do a phone call.
Chris:Now parents can be on the line to listen to it. They not expected to talk unless they have a question at the end, but is literally a, a synopsis of what he thought they did well, what they did wrong, what he needs to work on, what they're doing after every single weekend. So that has helped dramatically because there's times that I come say, why the hell did you do that, Ryan? He's like, that's what Jason asked me to. You don't know what you're doing.
Chris:You know, you're on the bench, you do that. And you know what? There's times I learned to spec. You know what? You're a 100% right.
Chris:You know, I don't know what I'm talking about, but I do know effort and I do know. So for my things now, it's not so much game and there's a 100% reason why I do not even go to watch practices 90% of the time because I mean, many times you walked out of the rink when your kid had something in practice and you're pissed in the car ride home because you're kidding. You have the conversation. I was like, oh man, this is not healthy for me. Let alone the kid.
Chris:I'm like, I can't watch practice anymore. But so the game stuff is less for me now. It definitely happens to say it to say it doesn't happen would be lying. But is it happening on a frequency or every game happen? No, not at all.
Chris:For me, it's the preparation that does when nobody is looking that he says he wants to do these things. Right? And so now I'm like, alright, Ryan. We're we're moving into this different sphere now of what's happening with, you know, getting into phantoms and I get a different podcast of agents starting to get involved at an early age and these kids separate and like, you can't complain if you're not preparing off the ice. If you're not taking your shots, if you're not doing the things that you want to do, that's how you prep for games.
Chris:So a lot of my stuff now comes with, you know, I'll walk in after work or something like that. Hey, how many shots you take today? I mean, you know, that kind of stuff. And if it's nothing that could be, and I will tell you when I'm gonna go, I Jamie, I ain't gonna lie. I mean, where everybody brat, we're at hotels at tournaments.
Chris:Right? And it's eleven at 09:00 at night, and everybody's a couple in because you started at 11:00 in the morning. And so at those times of time, that's every once in a while you can have a hard time holding that tongue. And for me, I don't yell. I don't I I'm the one that throws zingers now.
Chris:Like, it's one of those, like, like, little bit of a
Jamie:know? Across their bow.
Chris:Yeah. Sarcastic comment that kinda can set them off a little bit and something like that. So, I mean yeah, no perfect. I've tried to get better. I feel like I've gotten better, but as we said, am I there?
Chris:I'm no, I'm 50% in my journey of trying to get better at that.
Jamie:You're not, you're not that tumbled stone yet.
Chris:Yeah. But it does put strain right now in terms of our regular relationship, because honestly 90% of what we do has to do hockey, unless he's at school, I'm in a car or doing something. So it's, it's becomes his identity. And I, I like that about it, but I also, I don't want it to be that. Right?
Chris:Cause his life and his success later on in life is not determined by one's some, some athletic feat or something that he's, you know, gonna do, you know? Agreed. Yeah. I'm learning. I'm learning, but it's not hard.
Chris:I mean, I mean, I mean, it's hard. It's not, it's not perfect. I
Jamie:mean Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. I I've I've recently and I don't know if it's in the spirit of doing less hockey in the spring summer, but, like, I try not even to, like, bring it up. And not that I've had any significant episodes where he's like, I've really I mean, I've listened. I've definitely gone over the top. That's not what I'm saying.
Scott:But it's never, like, resulted in some, like, major, you know, like, tension or whatever with Otto and I that lasted any long period of time. Because I do know some families where the parents haven't talked to, like, know, I haven't talked to my kid in like a week because of and this is like an older kid who's like in high school. So, yeah, I haven't talked to him in like a week because we had a you know, we're arguing about skating. But like, know, that that's a it's a for for me, it becomes, like, a real mind fuck because on one hand, I'm, like, just dude. He's 10.
Scott:He's playing his video games. He was, like, mountain biking, whatever he was doing, playing with his friends. Like, talk to him about that stuff. Like, don't bring up hockey. You don't need to talk about it now.
Scott:There's so many years ahead of him with all this stuff. Just focus on the other things. But then, like and I think the big but for me often is that, like, but if I don't bring these things to his attention, of guess he's gonna be fine because at some point, he's gonna have to take ownership for his journey and, like, you know, be the one driving that ship. But, like, for now, it's kind of like, you know, I just wanna remind him like, hey, listen, you you know, you tell me that you wanna play higher level hockey. You know, you tell me you wanna get better, so why aren't you going out there and shooting?
Scott:Right? And I get it. You don't always wanna shoot. Okay. That's fine.
Scott:But I've been reluctant to even have those conversations recently in fear of like not like, I don't know, making it annoying for him. You know? But I don't know. That's a little bit about like kind of where I'm at now.
Chris:Yeah. I mean but but I think I think all that stuff's fair. Right? Because in in in my opinion, and I have this converse again, this conversation with my wife. I hope that she's I hope this doesn't end, you know, end bad.
Chris:You know, she's scared. But I look at it as, listen, I had a I had my journey in my sport that I played, right, going to going to going to play college, and and I know now my regrets. I always say, it's like, I if I can go back, have to give every dollar I had in my bank account to go back and play high school or college again. Right? And knowing what I know because somebody didn't give me these ways to push and toll.
Chris:Right? And, again, I know he's 13 and some of these kids are young. And, again, maybe we have you guys have older listeners and stuff like that with kids that are older. But, I mean, like, for me is is what if I know now and yes, he's he's taken part in my son, least this point, he's like 75%, 80% is he's taking control of. Right?
Chris:And they're still 13. So as much as we they have to take control themselves and we're and very fastly approaching a point is still parts that you have to do. Right. And you have to be mindful of work ethic. And so for me, I would regret myself personally, if I didn't, and it also gets back to, let's say, he gets nineteen twenty and right now he's got to go play club hockey because he couldn't play d one or d three or do something.
Chris:And we just said, if he would have known how to do something like work ethic and it needs more work ethic, Of the stud, the things that you have to put in, because again, we're not talking just about hockey here. It's it's life. It's like when you get your job, when you go, I mean, the only thing that's made me successful in my career is my grind. My first ten or fifteen years, I didn't graduate from an Ivy League university. All my top competition are kids coming out with MBAs and all this stuff in Wall Street.
Chris:And the only thing that I had more than anybody else was I was willing to grind and work longer hours than anybody else. And sooner related, attrition left. People were leaving. I went from one of 20 and also now I'm one of 10 and also now it's top at peak after of all these years and has nothing to do about, you know, how smart I was, what school I went to. It's just the grind and the effort that I was able to put in.
Chris:And that's something I learned playing sports. Right. And so that's the thing that I want because I don't want to one day. Now I have a 25 year old still living a 30 year old living at home and he didn't learn it. You know I mean?
Chris:Like those are the things that then he's kicking himself because everybody's journey is going to end. Right. We talk about this. I don't care. You know, you know, Connor McDavid's journey is going to end one day.
Chris:Does. I mean, the greatest stops and do not to to the guys that get drafted in the seventh round or sixth round in any one of their sports. Yep. And, you know, maybe they make it to the minors. Maybe, you know, you know, that's the one thing.
Chris:I, you know, you you you go, you you lead your team in NCAA and goals and do stuff. And while everybody can score in the NHL and now I go to AHL and they need me to be a fighter and you're like, what? You spent three years getting your face punched in and you're like, you know what? Can't do this anymore. I'm done.
Chris:But if you knew that you gave everything all you had and you exhausted every opportunity, you walk away feeling my journey ended. It was good. But if you have those regrets that, hey, I didn't do this. And I that's what I don't want him to do at the end of the day for how hard he's worked already. Right?
Chris:Like, he's 13, man. How many times he's gotten up before school on his own accord at 04:30 to go on the skates? He's done that more than anybody. And and I tell him all the time. I'm like, Ryan, you are a you are a hard worker.
Chris:You are a really hard worker, but there's somebody that's a hard worker and there's somebody that's a dog and there's still that dog that needs to be, you know, that on it. Right. You know, and if somebody puts a task in front of you, you're willing to do it. But when are you willing to put that task in front of yourself and take care of that and do that yourself? That's the stuff that I'm trying to portray right now, and that's been the struggle for me.
Scott:Yeah. No. Go ahead, James.
Jamie:Yeah. No. I I I think we all, at least I'm doing the exact same thing. I'm trying to because like you said, everybody's journey stops. And I tell Dominic all the time.
Jamie:I said, bud, the music just stops one day. I go, it stops and you real and there's nothing you can do about it. You can't. It just stops. Right?
Jamie:And that's where your your athletic career comes to a close. And you don't know when it's going to be. You don't know it's coming. It just all of a sudden stops. Right?
Jamie:And then just like you said, I don't want my kid to have the regrets of, oh my God, If I had just shot a couple more pucks, if I just tried a little harder during this game, if I just tried a little harder during some my power skates. Right? We're all trying to teach a life lesson. I think we're also trying to insulate our kids a little bit and teach them the mistakes that we made because we're trying to not have them make them.
Chris:Well, yeah, I tell Ryan all the time. I'm like, man, I have the answers to the test. You just have to willing to do this, you know, the study and stuff that you want do. Mean, just because you have the answer to test, I mean, you still got to put the work in. Right.
Chris:That's, you know, that's the hard thing. And, and again, but they just, I understand it. They don't want to hear from their parents. It's so much easier to come from.
Jamie:Way I Anybody else.
Scott:Yeah. I was thinking about that because I grew up in a, I was the only one in my family that was athletic or at least had cared for sports or, you know, was an athlete in the house. And, you know, my parents didn't grow up athletes. And so for them, like, it was really new to them and, you know, they liked to watch me play, but they didn't have, like, any type of, like
Jamie:They didn't push you.
Scott:They didn't push me.
Jamie:No. No, mine didn't either.
Scott:No. So all the pushing came from myself over time and I did it sometimes more, sometimes less. But I can't imagine honestly what I would have how I would have responded if I had my dad talking to me the way I talk to my son. If I'm being totally honest with you now, again, that's all he knows. And, you know, I never had that.
Scott:So it's like, you know, obviously making assumptions. But I guess really where I'm driving this is like the age at which it's gonna be better received or less or if it even makes a difference. Like, it's some may there's a a very valid argument. Say plant the seed young and you got to nurture it and water it and let it grow over time. It just doesn't happen overnight.
Scott:So I get wanting to do it earlier. But I don't know. I mean, that's something I think about. Like, maybe I don't need to be as hard as I've been now. I can just hold back in, you know, two years from now or whatever.
Scott:You know, maybe it's more appropriate for me to be harder on him. I I don't know.
Chris:Yeah. It's a good question because I have this conversation with my wife because listen. A kid grows up in a house where everything's taken care of from him. Right? He, breaks $250 stick.
Chris:He says a new stick tomorrow. Right? We would talk about the skates and all stuff. Right? And I I grew up in a household where we got we got food and bills helped pay from our church.
Chris:Right? Like, you know, some term certain months, had no electricity. Some months, you know, some months we did. Right? My relationship with my parents was extremely volatile.
Chris:Right? You know, screaming, arguing, fighting all all the time. And for me, I decided I was gonna so didn't have to listen to it. I'd go outside and put a fishing net up in my backyard, and I would throw a football a million times until I couldn't hear anybody do something. I'm saddle mouse.
Chris:And that's way it was gonna get me out. That's what and so when I talked to my wife, it's like, that was my conflict in life. Right? And told myself, hey, to be successful, you know, my kids will take a vacation once a year and, they'll never know what a bill is. Right?
Chris:I far out exceeded anything I've ever really put to do, but my drive to get better was that I'd never be have my family be in the situation that I grew up in. So that was my way of getting it, and that was a conflict. I always truly believe that, success typically comes from some type of conflict or something that goes wrong and you learn from them. Not all the time, but a lot of these success stories happen that way. So for me, my son doesn't have much conflict.
Chris:There's nothing. He doesn't worry about anything. And so when I talk to my wife, I'm like, you know, unfortunately, at this point in time, I am that point of conflict, and I don't like to be it. I mean, I would love nothing more to then, you know, every time he walks in the door and not worry about it and say yes to everything and and do, but it's like, how can you? Like, you see so so if I have to create that little bit of struggle for him right now and and and do it, and I tell him all time, listen, you're gonna be 21, 22.
Chris:I'm gonna be a completely different person to you. Because at that point, you're a man. You're gonna have to be able to spread your wings. You're have to learn how to take care of yourself. You're gonna do stuff.
Chris:You want to come to me for advice at that point in time? No, but that's your life to leave. I have a couple more years from my sales. He's 13. He wants to go to prep school, which he keeps talking about maybe three more years.
Chris:If he goes after, you know, you got five, six more years before they go to school. Right? Yeah. And we've a couple more years before these kids are away and it goes quick. And so, like I said, for me, it's, it's, it's, I don't know.
Chris:This it's just like this this tightrope that I'm walking, you know, trying to still be his best friend, trying to teach him to be a man, how to take care of his own responsibilities. But also this is his life, his drive, and I'm passionate about his passion. Aki is not my I never played I never put skates on my feet. I just never did that. And I joke with him, and you want to talk about the biggest needle, the shot across his bow, and that makes him lose his shit?
Chris:I tell him all the time, say, Ray, hey, Ray. Still got time. Most most people have played division one, college football.
Jamie:Still start till high school.
Chris:They can't start till ninth and tenth grade, buddy. We still got we still got two years. Yep. We are playing football. That was your sport.
Chris:That's what you wanted. You know? So, I mean, that's the that's the thing I can get them with. I mean, I, you know, and part of it's truthful. It's like Zing.
Chris:I mean, but what I'm trying to tell him is like, I'm doing this for you. Right? And at the end, that's the truth. I I am I put every piece resource that I have physically, emotionally, financially. Financially.
Chris:Yep. My wife and my daughter are the ones. I mean, we haven't seen him in three and a half weeks now. My mother-in-law is always pissed because Ryan never goes on to Ocean City. And I had this conversation in the car.
Chris:We landed in Toronto last night and he was talking to his cousin and my, and his sister. And like, we met you. And he's like, yeah. I wish I was at the beach. You know?
Chris:I I kinda wish I was I was there because they're at Mont in Montauk right now. And and, he said, but he's like, it's fun up here. And I looked at him. I'm like, hey, bud. And he was I'm nice.
Chris:I'm like, you know, we don't have to do this all the time. You know? We can. I said, but if you say you want to go to these places that you want to go, unfortunately, there is sacrifices along the way. And daddy will never get mad at you when you say, hey, I don't want to do this camp.
Chris:I don't want to do this thing. I want to go to the beach. I want to go to my I'll do it. He's like, no. No.
Chris:I love doing this. This what I do. I I I go, fine. That's good. I I just you're getting older and I want you to understand is like, with success and things that you want to do that do come there there are sacrifices to that and you sacrifice time with your family.
Chris:You sacrifice time for him. Kids don't have friends. His best friends are hockey players. He never goes to a birthday party at school or all this stuff. And and those are sacrifices that he's making.
Chris:So I know what he's made already, which is the reason why we push a little harder sometimes.
Scott:Yeah.
Chris:You know? But learning to pull back on it is the It's hard.
Jamie:It's hard. I've
Chris:been doing it, but it's been hard.
Jamie:You know, it's funny. You you mentioned your wife and that was actually a question that I had for you. So I don't know about you boys, but, you know, when I watch my kid, I see things that my wife does not see. And it creates a little bit of an internal struggle sometimes in the house, not so much anymore, but it used to. So for the hockey dads out there, Chris, you know, you know, do you ever have like the struggle between you and the missus, you know, or even the struggle between you and Emma and Liz, you know, you're the other half of your family because, you know, sometimes you're on the road and you don't get to see them and you're missing stuff.
Chris:I mean, listen, I mean, it's, of course, she's like, you know, when are you are you gonna be home? You know, dinner. That's the normal stuff. But honestly, she she loves she loves it at game. And she's the one that either I can't stand by my wife at a game because either I'm gonna get into a fight with somebody because she's screaming at something or something going on, and then somebody's gonna say something to her, and then I I'm gonna get you know, knock that guy out, or she's either,
Jamie:what? Rafael, you're the best.
Chris:And he feels so what's his name or, oh, you suck. And so there's times that she's, you know, she's she can be dead on his butt. Like, she's but she's
Jamie:Hockey moms it up. Yeah. She
Chris:does. Sometimes I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. He did play good. She goes I go, why are yelling him? And she and she's like, you
Jamie:know what? Obviously, I don't
Chris:know what I'm watching. So I'm just gonna
Jamie:That's the opposite of
Chris:my me and my wife. Honestly, no. We're lucky enough, you know, in our relationship that we have that okay. Just like anything, 90% of the time, we're on the same page. We we both know how much he loves it.
Chris:The hardest part, and we both talk about, is the time it's taken away from me and my daughter, because my wife, who's a New York City school teacher, she doesn't have the flexibility to get out of work and to, take him to practice and do stuff. So when I can on the weekends, it's like, all right, you got Ryan, I'll go with Emma. If not, it's just the way this makes both their lives easier is the schedule that we worked out. And we, you know, we talk about that, but my regret on this, and I'm very honest with Ryan about it and I'm like, bud, I mean, when daddy gets on you and he does these things, it's it's it's just because like, you know, we spend so much time and effort on this and we get taken away. Like, I, you know, I could be home with mom.
Chris:I could be home with Emma. You know, we can go out to dinner. I can go watch Emma's flag game. I I know, these are the things that I could do, and, everybody wants these things for you that you want. But, you know?
Chris:So when we get frustrated sometimes, it's it's really not about you. Right? It's it's like I said, this is the craziest fucking sport that I've ever like, literally, the thought about I do is, like, we're talking about this because you're not again, that's why I like the other sports. Right? And it's like, you go watch a little the lacrosse game.
Chris:He walks to practice, right? He walks to the pier from our house and he gets to walk home from it. Right? And and basketball is at the local gym down thing and it's not driving an hour and a half to a practice every day and and, a practice starts at, for me, starts at 02:40 when he gets out, and we're not walking in the door to 10:00 at night. I mean, that's a normal Yeah, practice
Jamie:it's a different animal. Totally different animal.
Scott:Totally different animal. Yeah.
Jamie:No, it's true. That's what I think we get next.
Chris:We got friends sleeping at our house. Like Liz is just like, holy shit. We have literally other kids sleep at our house, basically bill it on the weekends.
Jamie:Damn
Chris:it. And our house has got taken over where we got kids sleeping. Have hockey bags, a million things coming in. And just the other day, my because my wife, I thought was gonna lose her shit at the end of last season, but now it's been like too much. She's like, oh, I miss my hockey family being here.
Chris:Like, you got to this you get to this point in time where it's like, now these people have taken up, you know, everybody else too. But like I said, this is where it's best. I keep saying it. Like, he's gonna get married one day and these kids that we've had this journey with are gonna be in his wedding. And my hopefully, my my grandkids are gonna call a couple of these kids uncle one day.
Chris:Like, I that's the kind of And so I try to make him understand that. And, again, he's a 13 year old and it's hard and he doesn't understand and
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:They will one day. One day they will.
Chris:Yeah. Again, so it's It's hard because it's, you know, it's not always the nicest, easiest, you know, conversation. So I'm personally struggling. I mean, I'm struggling with that myself right now. Like, that's that's my inner conflict that I'm dealing with at the moment is my relationship with him.
Jamie:I think you're not alone. I deal with it too. Scott deals with it. I'm I'm sure a lot of our listeners do. And if you don't, if you're listening and you don't have that internal struggle, God bless you.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. No, it's not easy. Well, listen, that was listen to that. I mean, we touched on a lot of great stuff.
Scott:I think, I think a part three is probably in order, Chris. And we'll, we'll definitely love to have you come, come back on the pod closer.
Chris:Part three is how how your podcast got started because we started a
Scott:damn hockey team. The prequel.
Jamie:Did. The prequel. Yes. We did.
Scott:I'm I'm gonna get some popcorn myself and listen because I'm sure I only know bits and pieces. So You
Jamie:have no idea.
Scott:Well, it's
Chris:about a 2,000 page book.
Jamie:I'm shocked that Chris and I aren't divorced at this moment in time because our wives had every reason to while we were doing that.
Scott:Yeah. Well, what you guys built is clearly working and working well and, you know, best of luck to those kids, you know, to Ryan. I know, obviously, it's a little while before the season gets started, but keep on keep on keeping on a day at a time. You know? And, and listen.
Scott:One thing that I'm sure we can all also save is that the amount of time we spend with our kids, granted it's challenging at times, but I think that's another thing that's really amazing that when we look back on this amount of time you've spent with Ryan or or Dom James, you know, like, in the cars and that hotels, it's not I mean, there's a lot a lot a lot of good there too. Right? So
Chris:I tell I tell my my you know, one one of my my senior guys at work. I'm like, listen. I know I'm pretty young. I'm like, I got only a couple years left to my kids, and and I do a good job working, you know, fine. But I'm like, in a couple years, they'll be gone, and then could throw myself back into back into work a 100% of time.
Chris:But I I only have these kids for a couple of time, and you're right. Being able to spend the amount of time I do with him and is It's a blessing. It's awesome.
Jamie:Yeah. It's awesome. We we complain and bitch and moan, lot of us, but you know what? It's awesome. It really is.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah.
Chris:But say to you guys, enjoy the rest of your summer, the couple weeks we have left because Likewise. Real shit begins in a couple weeks.
Scott:I'm in.
Chris:And then it's we're not even in the real shit yet, and that that comes in a couple weeks. So enjoy your couple weeks you have off, and and good luck to the beginning of the season to you to you to your kid.
Jamie:Likewise, Chris. We'll talk
Chris:to later, buddy. Enjoy time. Talk to guys soon.
Jamie:Alright. And that concludes our part two with our buddy, Chris Bowmer. I mean, the guys, he's awesome. Yeah. Know, I know Yes.
Scott:Good person.
Jamie:Yes. Part one was awesome. Part two, even better. So thank you, Chris, for coming on. We may even throw in a part three like we teased earlier, because the reception from one was so good.
Jamie:So we may even throw in a part three. So stay tuned. Right?
Scott:Yeah, man. Yeah. That's awesome stuff. And, you know, I'm I'm really glad we're getting, like, the the hang of this.
Jamie:Yes.
Scott:You know, having people on to you know, for interviews. It's It's all you, buddy. Awesome.
Jamie:All you.
Scott:No. No. I don't mean no.
Jamie:That's not
Scott:what I'm saying. I'm just saying it's it's nice that we're starting to have, like, guests on the show and, like, they can share their their experiences and, you know, people can hear from not just you and I and, you know, other dads that are going through some stuff. You know?
Jamie:Yeah. You know, it's funny. Chris actually called me yesterday, I was talking to him. And I said that we always kinda plan to have dads on like this. We just wanted to kinda get our feet wet and figure out if there was anything here.
Jamie:Yeah. Right? So it took us 19 episodes to do that. Not terrible. No.
Jamie:You know?
Scott:No. We probably could have done it before, but it's all good.
Jamie:Yeah. I think we probably could have, but you know what? It's fine. You know? So we're gonna keep as long as you guys like it, we're gonna keep having dads on, to give their experiences, their trials, their tribulations, you know, the the goods, the bads, you know, because I'm sure that somebody can relate to every single one of the stories that all these dads are gonna tell.
Scott:Yep.
Jamie:Right? Know? So yeah. No. If you guys like it, we'll keep bringing it.
Scott:Let's do it. Let's do it. Alright. So, yeah, this week, your turn for a weekly rant. You did not do did not leave me any code names.
Scott:You did not give me any sort of heads up. So I I can't even guess at a code name.
Jamie:Okay. You ready?
Scott:I am.
Jamie:So the thing that's been driving me nuts. Okay? And I'm getting text messages from other parents about it. Oh. Okay?
Jamie:So this happens to be, like, team specific for our club, but I can guarantee you that this is a thing. Now we did an episode, I wanna say it was in the first five or seven that was talking about how to carry yourself when you're a new parent on a new team.
Scott:Someone didn't listen. Scott,
Jamie:the the new parents, not all, but a handful of the new parents on our new team are blowing up they're blowing up the our team thread. Yeah. Okay. Our team chat asking about, like, hotels and when the practice schedule comes out and where we're staying and what weekends and, you know, do we have off ice and do we have on ice? It's fucking July.
Jamie:It's July. It's fucking early to mid July. Yeah. Like, stop. Just stop.
Jamie:It's fucking July.
Scott:You know?
Jamie:That's my rant. Fucking July.
Scott:Fucking July. Well, listen.
Jamie:And can I tell you? Yeah. None of the seasoned parents answer. It's crickets. Nobody answers.
Scott:You know, there's been a lot of, but this is so it just I'm not disagreeing with this, and I'm not saying I I totally get it because there's a there's some of that also on on our on our yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. But the only but to this is do these hotels have to do with the showcase that's in August?
Jamie:Yeah. Like August 28.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:July. It's fucking July.
Scott:It is July. I I listen, I'm not gonna disagree with that.
Jamie:And this has been going on for a while. So here we are, like, July, you know, getting toward the July. It's been going on since, like, early July.
Chris:Yeah.
Jamie:Like, early July.
Scott:Listen. People are excited. They're enthusiastic. They're excited.
Jamie:Most kids are playing other sports. Most people are on vacation. It's July.
Scott:Yes. Relax. So so okay. So mister former team manager, what? You wanna say no team snapping, no text messaging until August?
Jamie:Our team manager, which is not me because I don't wanna do it, our team manager is radio silent.
Scott:What?
Jamie:Our team manager is radio silent.
Scott:But isn't the maybe maybe that's part of the problem. Maybe if that person wasn't silent and addressed the questions, there wouldn't be so much back and forth.
Jamie:His kid's playing another sport right now. Most kids are playing another sport. Most people are on vacation. Talk to me in, like, mid August. Right?
Jamie:Like, come back in mid August and ask what hotel's that. Like, right? I mean, am I wrong? This is my rant. This is what I'm complaining about.
Scott:I I no. Listen. I I think that there's there's
Jamie:It's July.
Scott:There's substance there. No doubt. I do think that some of the things that they might be asking about might might be valid, but I do understand how I've all of it out of the blue had like 50 something messages in like the team thing. And I scroll through it and I'm like, I don't think we need to have so much conversation about this, but I don't know.
Jamie:So that's my rant.
Scott:Dude, listen. There's no there's no doubt that there are plenty of TeamSnap, Game changer, SportsEngine, Crossbar, whatever accounts where, like, people are just, like, way too into it. Yes. I get it.
Jamie:And most people don't answer. Like, I it's like crickets. And the funny part about it is is they go back and they go, oh, in case you didn't hear me before, put me up a quick question.
Scott:Just bubbling this up to the surface to the top. Right.
Jamie:You know? So that's my hockey rant for this.
Scott:Listen. I I bet you come November, you'll be able to say, you know that parent that I was talking about in the beginning? They're really great.
Jamie:No. No. No. They I'm sure they're lovely. Don't get me wrong.
Jamie:But it's July.
Scott:Yeah. I hear you.
Jamie:It's July.
Scott:Well, listen. Then shame on you for looking at it.
Jamie:I didn't look at it. I don't look at it. My wife tells me. I just text I get Scott, I'm getting text messages from other parents going, why are these parents doing it? That's how I find out.
Scott:I don't know.
Jamie:Dude, I don't I don't look at team snap ever.
Scott:Ever. I
Jamie:don't. I just I never have
Scott:vag of water.
Jamie:No. I just I I don't have I don't have the, the notifications turned on. I I unless my wife tells me, I don't I don't even see it.
Scott:That's interesting. I never yeah. My I definitely have them on.
Jamie:Let's put it this way. I have not snapped in to the mini camp that's in, like, late August yet.
Scott:Oh, you mean, like, signaled your attendance?
Jamie:My availability.
Scott:Your availability.
Jamie:Yeah. Again Okay. It's summertime. It's July. I know.
Jamie:I sound like such an asshole, but it's July.
Scott:No, dude. I hear you. It's vacation time, and some people just don't have the bandwidth for unnecessary hockey talk.
Jamie:Speaking of, that's what we do all the time, unnecessary hockey talk. That's just true. Anyhow. And we have a lot of followers for unnecessary hockey talk, so go figure.
Scott:Well, I I mean, I think that yeah. I guess, I mean,
Jamie:I mean Listen, there's a difference in what we're doing and in that.
Scott:Of course. I don't think I certainly if I gave the impression I was trying to say that they were the same, I definitely didn't mean that. I think in any event, moving on, moving
Jamie:on, Any event, yes.
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Jamie:Yep. So season's coming close. Go get yourself some Howie's hockey gear. Yeah. I just bought I think I was mentioning I bought laces.
Jamie:I bought another set of laces because I bought the wrong size. So I had to go back and buy more laces. Right? I bought the laces I bought were too big. I had go back and get more.
Jamie:And as the season nears, I need to gear up with tape. Yeah. I need a lot of tape.
Scott:Yeah, definitely need a lot of tape. A lot of tape. But oh, so, but just talking about API, sorry to, yes, how he's get tape, but I think Eric, we might have him on. Oh yes. As our next guest.
Jamie:What we're doing next? Okay. Cool.
Scott:Potentially. So that that might be the you know, for 20 episode 22. We just need to figure out scheduling, but he's got a kid that's played, you know
Chris:Rolling. Right?
Scott:I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Out in the Ohio area, you know, went between double a and triple a. And then Eric's got a unique perspective, you know, I think with his business and that, like, they're breaking down film of all different age groups. And I don't know how much of a deep dive he's done necessarily on any, like, age, like, age specific stats.
Jamie:Uh-huh.
Scott:You know? Like, that's a good question to ask him. But, you know, he's seen plenty of hockey from his own kids to, like, you know, from his own business. So I you know, it'd be interesting to hear kind of what his takes are on some of this. You know?
Scott:So
Jamie:I'm curious. He probably has some great stories from dealing with people, because he's kinda in the industry of the youth hockey space. So I'm really curious to to kinda pick his brain a little bit.
Scott:Yeah. So he he might say it, but when I was on the phone with him the other day, I was like, you know, it's just like, you you know, free form, like, just we can talk about, like, whatever. He's like, oh, you know, I should talk about this one coach that I had who was tagging all the games himself, and he was putting in way too much detail. I've never seen anyone try talking about me. And I was like, okay,
Jamie:sure. Thanks.
Scott:And I did have a moment trying to put in way too much detail.
Jamie:Now I really want to talk to him even more than I did before.
Scott:Yeah. Anyhow. So those were our partners. Anything else?
Jamie:We have a lot of really cool stuff coming up. We have Eric from API. We're going to have our part part three possibly with Vomer. You know, as long as you guys I think you guys will like that because you guys loved one so much. You guys are gonna love two or you loved two.
Jamie:And then we're gonna do three. And then what we have Angelo Circe coming on. Right? I'm trying to think what else we have coming on. What else
Scott:Kirk. Do We also
Jamie:We have Kirk from Ontario, our buddy Kirk from Ontario. We're really cranking up as the season draws near. So, you know, we got a lot of really cool things planned. And then we and we're also working on a project that may be a little farther off in the future, but we have something really, really fun for you guys down the road. Yeah.
Jamie:A project of ours.
Scott:Yes, sir.
Jamie:Coming soon.
Scott:Down soon.
Jamie:Yes.
Scott:So alright, bud. Good stuff. That's it. Awesome stuff.
Jamie:Listen. Always a pleasure. I'm going back to the beach. Enjoy you. Later.
Jamie:See you, bud.
Scott:Peace out. Later.