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Tim and Doug dive deep into the world of All Elite Wrestling. Recaps, character analysis, storyline breakdowns, and more. Two guys who have been All Elite since day 1 talk AEW.
00:00.66
Tim
And this is episode three of Elite Heat on a Thursday. Here's why. My wedding anniversary happened to fall on Wednesday this year. And ah yeah, and so it was like, well, I should probably like, i don't know, spend it with my wife and not watching wrestling because I enjoy being married slightly more than I enjoy doing this podcast.
00:23.13
Tim
Slightly.
00:23.26
Dug
Oh, wow. I feel pretty good about things then.
00:24.57
Tim
Yeah. Well, you should. You should.
00:27.19
Dug
a do.
00:27.93
Tim
ah Also, i do think it's worth pointing out, though, that last week when you were like, oh, you know, they're going to be not that far from us.
00:28.04
Dug
I do.
00:34.05
Tim
And at no point did it enter my mind of like, oh i can't go because it's my anniversary. It was like, yeah, i don't want to drive on a school night.
00:42.68
Dug
and Look, both equally acceptable reasons not to go.
00:46.76
Tim
My wife is very lucky, clearly.
00:49.30
Dug
So lucky.
00:50.94
Tim
However, however, it worked out really well because if you go back to, was it the first episode where we talked about Mox dissing you twice?
00:58.62
Dug
Yes.
00:59.29
Tim
Do you know today is the anniversary of that?
01:01.40
Dug
I do know that. i actually, think I messaged you that today.
01:02.33
Tim
So we should tell that story. Oh yeah, you're right. You did. That's how I knew it. I mean, I knew it anyway.
01:09.46
Dug
I know you did.
01:11.09
Tim
I have it.
01:11.13
Dug
i know you had that in you.
01:12.76
Tim
I have it as a calendar reminder, the anniversary of Doug getting dissed by mocks twice, but any who, well, I guess we could just start with that.
01:15.00
Dug
more
01:18.72
Dug
Twice. Yeah.
01:21.78
Tim
So if you go on HBO max and you watch the, I guess, December 4th episode from 2019. twenty nineteen Well, they would, they debuted in October, so they were two months in.
01:29.45
Dug
I think it was like the second or third Dynamite. It was early, early, early.
01:37.65
Dug
did they?
01:38.51
Tim
Yeah.
01:38.78
Dug
Never mind.
01:40.34
Tim
Um, I think what you're thinking of is when they came to town to promote it, it was literally the Thursday after Dynamite debuted.
01:41.21
Dug
I don't know math.
01:44.92
Dug
That could be it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:49.56
Dug
Yes, there we go.
01:50.97
Tim
That's what you're thinking of um
01:52.13
Dug
Yep. Yes, it does.
01:53.66
Tim
but um So you and I and two friends of mine were ringside. And if you go watch it on HBO Max, the camera runs right up to us at the start of the show and freezes on us, like holds the the shot on us.
02:05.50
Dug
Yes, it does. Mm-hmm. yes it
02:08.86
Tim
Mox, when he came by, you know, people stick their hands out, whatever, right? he He fist bumped me twice and just completely skipped over you each time.
02:19.83
Dug
Yeah, he did. He sure did. He didn't even look at me. it wasn't
02:23.00
Tim
No, he didn't.
02:24.02
Dug
It wasn't like he sized me up and went, meh. I didn't even get a dismissive glance. It was just, oh, Tim's here.
02:29.97
Tim
Yeah.
02:32.92
Dug
Boom, bada bing. Huh? That was it.
02:35.51
Tim
i remember I remember turning to you, Doug, and going, what did you do to piss him off?
02:40.95
Dug
I don't know. I don't know.
02:42.49
Tim
Clearly something.
02:43.90
Dug
I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe is what I said. Ambrose! And he got.
02:48.25
Tim
Oh, that might have done it. Yeah, I might have done it.
02:49.61
Dug
That might have done.
02:50.49
Tim
You know what I think it is?
02:50.65
Dug
Yeah.
02:51.45
Tim
I think it's that you don't bleed enough.
02:54.69
Dug
Wow. He sets such a high bar for that,
02:57.56
Tim
I know, but you might want to consider it. I'm just saying.
03:00.24
Dug
Okay. All right.
03:00.98
Tim
All right. With that, let's get into the episode. um I liked...
03:03.50
Dug
Let's do it.
03:04.50
Tim
go What?
03:05.66
Dug
Let's do it.
03:06.64
Tim
Oh, I don't know why I stopped for that. I should have known better. I liked the Joe and Eddie promo to open because you got two of the best talkers in the game doing what they do.
03:16.95
Dug
Absolutely. That was cool.
03:17.85
Tim
And an absolute banger of an Eddie promo.
03:21.30
Dug
I love him. i love him so much.
03:22.49
Tim
I do too.
03:25.14
Dug
So much. And I don't remember exactly what his outline was, but it was so good. Oh yeah. He'll just go, I'll eat you alive. Boom. and I'm out.
03:35.29
Tim
Yep.
03:35.58
Dug
Love it. Love it.
03:36.52
Tim
And kudos to Joe also for just kind of standing there like, I don't know what to do with that because I might have bit off more than I can chew here.
03:42.50
Dug
Yeah.
03:44.37
Tim
Like, he gives you – look, i'm I'm under no pretenses that Eddie Kingston is going to beat him for the title next week.
03:51.90
Dug
No, no, he is not.
03:53.66
Tim
But I appreciate that they're trying to build the drama of it.
03:57.59
Dug
Yeah, because you're always going to know Eddie's going to go in there and he's going to fight like mad and he's going to look respectable and he's going to look good.
03:58.14
Tim
You know, I'm on board with that. Mm-hmm.
04:09.59
Tim
I would like, uh, it doesn't have to be a long one, but I would like to someday see Eddie get the title, even if it's just a short run, it'd be fine.
04:09.76
Dug
And that
04:16.28
Dug
Now, i I did find it interesting because which title was it that he did get? Because he did carry an AEW title.
04:23.58
Tim
So he had, ah he had the ROH world championship, which is unfortunately,
04:27.74
Dug
Right.
04:31.18
Dug
Meh.
04:31.26
Tim
Not what it used to be right now.
04:31.38
Dug
Yeah.
04:32.82
Tim
But um but he also, he had the he had the Continental title.
04:33.62
Dug
Right.
04:38.33
Dug
Yes. And Joe made it seem like he never won a big one.
04:39.16
Tim
Because...
04:41.97
Dug
And it's like, well, he did carry the Continental title.
04:43.67
Tim
Yeah, I had the same thought. i was like, well, that's just not true. Because they were there was the whole modern Triple Crown thing, right?
04:47.57
Dug
I
04:50.51
Tim
Because it was, he put the ROH title, the Continental, or maybe it was for the Continental and he had the... Did he have the International
05:02.10
Dug
i don't remember.
05:02.23
Tim
or am i or Or was that the tournament for...
05:03.77
Dug
I don't think.
05:04.23
Tim
I don't remember.
05:05.75
Dug
But he had he had the continental title or whatever it is called.
05:08.47
Tim
Yeah, he he was a double champion.
05:10.81
Dug
Yeah.
05:10.84
Tim
I mean, he had at least two belts there for a minute, so
05:13.78
Dug
Absolutely. And so I was like, Joe, I mean. That story doesn't really make a lot of sense, but okay. I mean, continue with it. That's fine.
05:22.00
Tim
Yeah, well, I mean, you can always come back and, well, not now because the match is going to be next week. But if they did like a pre-tape promo before the, i because I assume it's the main event, ah with Joe just being like, I dismiss that.
05:34.18
Tim
Like, it doesn't matter. It wasn't relevant because you don't matter.
05:36.20
Dug
Right. Yeah.
05:37.50
Tim
Like, you can you can salvage it if you want. It's also not the worst thing in the world. but
05:41.82
Dug
No, but I would, yeah, I would, if I were them, I would just ignore it. But yeah, i loved that I loved, yeah.
05:45.08
Tim
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:47.35
Dug
Joe being the smarmy guy and Eddie just being Eddie. And I loved it.
05:51.16
Tim
And then you got the ops promo, which was fine.
05:55.10
Dug
Yeah.
05:56.06
Tim
i don't, I don't think hook is the best talker
05:56.12
Dug
Yeah.
06:02.40
Tim
powerhouse. I thought did okay there. What made me laugh though, was them being like, everyone's gunning for these trios has literally no one is literally no one is going after it.
06:10.97
Dug
No.
06:13.59
Dug
I hate to tell you, if if Dark Order is who you're fighting, no one's coming after you.
06:17.30
Tim
No one's going. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
06:20.30
Dug
Don't get me wrong. Love seeing Dark Order... Dark Order? New tag team. I love seeing Dark Order on Dynamite. But again, no way they were winning that match.
06:33.18
Tim
No, no.
06:33.72
Dug
No way. No way.
06:34.81
Tim
I wrote down when they were doing the backstage. I wrote down more Dark Order, please.
06:40.86
Dug
Absolutely.
06:42.49
Tim
But again, nobody thought they were winning that match.
06:46.42
Dug
No, I, did I did like the tip of the hat with hangman coming back and them going, wait a minute.
06:47.26
Tim
Nobody thought that.
06:52.71
Tim
Mm-hmm.
06:56.25
Dug
You don't, we love you. We know you want his blood. You gotta let us win or lose this on our own. And then you can do whatever you want. That was, I liked that callback to their relationship.
07:05.53
Tim
Yeah, don't don't blow this for us. Yeah.
07:10.97
Dug
That was good.
07:12.57
Tim
agree. agree. I liked that. um Then we got Okada and Pac in the Continental Classic.
07:19.05
Dug
Man, this card was so stacked. It was crazy.
07:23.63
Tim
Mm-hmm.
07:24.94
Dug
i watched I watched that match a second time because I was like, i I need to see this again because there were so many what could have been almost at least pay-per-view co-main events.
07:37.61
Dug
I mean, my gosh, Okada and Pac, give me a break.
07:38.34
Tim
Yeah.
07:40.53
Dug
That was ridiculous. Ridiculous.
07:42.07
Tim
Yeah. I mean, they, they loaded the continental classic.
07:46.20
Dug
Yes, they did.
07:46.42
Tim
No doubt about that.
07:47.35
Dug
Yes, they did.
07:48.44
Tim
Um, I thought it was a really good match. I love this version of Okada.
07:53.14
Dug
Yeah.
07:53.78
Tim
I, I just, I love what he's doing right now. He's genuinely funny, but still out there merking people.
07:57.91
Dug
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
08:01.30
Tim
Um, yeah, I mean, he is,
08:03.73
Dug
But But i I like how he won, but they're they're painting him not just as physically dominant, but he's he's cagey. He's the guy that's going to squeak by and win because he's smart and he's a tournament wrestler. And so they really did a good job of building that that narrative up and playing that story out during this match. I thought it was really well done.
08:27.38
Tim
I agree. i agree. I thought they did a really good job with that. Here's where here's where I get a little nitpicky. Again, I admit it. I don't love when any wrestler does the, I'm going to bounce off the ropes a bunch of times because they're gaining momentum. Like every time I saw Roman Reigns do it I was like, what are you what do you doing, dude? Because it would work better if you start slow and then actually speed up. But instead, what I am watching you do is slow down when you hit the rope and speed back up.
08:55.70
Dug
m
08:57.69
Tim
I loved that Okada drop kicked him out of it, though.
08:57.75
Dug
I...
09:00.66
Dug
That was... I like...
09:01.56
Tim
i thought that was great.
09:02.78
Dug
how he finally hit it, but he had to try like three or four times. That's, I thought that was really good.
09:06.33
Tim
Yes. Yeah.
09:08.22
Dug
And I do think I'll slightly argue. I think pack does a good job of making it look like he does get faster coming off those ropes, but.
09:16.02
Tim
So the first time he did it, I thought so, too. But watching it... So I watched it tonight on a Thursday.
09:22.07
Dug
Right.
09:23.61
Tim
Watching it tonight... I could see him have to take the hesitation when he hit the ropes.
09:31.03
Dug
Okay.
09:31.74
Tim
You know what I mean?
09:31.78
Dug
That's fair.
09:32.42
Tim
And so like, it's, it's one thing if you can build it in the first time he did it, I thought he did.
09:32.70
Dug
and
09:38.62
Tim
And I don't know if it's a camera angle thing where they just had the wrong angle on it tonight, or I don't know, we got a new fire stick that streams better. Maybe that's the problem. I don't know. I don't know.
09:49.78
Tim
But I just don't love that. And it and it feels a little cartoony 80s to me.
09:58.49
Dug
Okay.
09:58.97
Tim
um
09:59.17
Dug
That's
10:00.66
Tim
Again, i fully recognize I'm being very, very nitpicky right now.
10:07.67
Dug
And that's fine, because with a match that good, with a match that good, though, I mean, that's really all you can do.
10:10.14
Tim
Good, because as I'm going to keep doing it.
10:14.89
Dug
and
10:15.19
Tim
yeah
10:16.02
Dug
But and even with that being said, I do think the way they played it out was about the only way to make that believable and and work well, even within the context of this match. I thought it was well done. Okada rolls out for first time, just completely bails on it, dropkicks him out of the second time, and then the third time he's finally able to just clock him.
10:26.26
Tim
I agree.
10:33.61
Dug
So, like that.
10:34.00
Tim
Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. i agree. It was good match.
10:36.88
Dug
By the way, does Pac look huge lately? My God.
10:40.63
Tim
He, yeah, I don't know if he bulked up or if it's like, I don't know how, how this would make him look bigger, but the only other thing I could think of is he switched to the singlet and I was like, does that somehow make him look bigger?
10:49.91
Dug
I don't... Maybe, but he just looks enormous.
10:55.86
Tim
Yeah, I think i think he bulked, which, you know, Swerve bulked up too.
11:00.76
Dug
Yeah, he, yeah, Swerve is up.
11:01.24
Tim
So, yeah.
11:02.40
Dug
Yeah, he looks good too.
11:03.41
Tim
you know i mean
11:03.91
Dug
But man, Pac looks amazing. Looks amazing.
11:06.26
Tim
Yeah. Yeah. um I have bulked up as well in a very, very different way.
11:10.74
Dug
Me too. Yes. Samesies. Samesies.
11:14.81
Tim
Yeah.
11:15.38
Dug
um i did like like I did like the finish. I like the the, you know, kind of skin of his teeth way he wants.
11:22.58
Tim
Mm-hmm.
11:22.91
Dug
So yeah, hats off. That was that was a well-played match. I liked it.
11:25.75
Tim
I do think they're doing a nice job of saying, look, Okada is the greatest tournament wrestler ever, but he might not make it out of this.
11:34.42
Dug
Right.
11:34.46
Tim
Like they're giving you that those seeds of doubt, which I like.
11:34.79
Dug
100%. one hundred percent Yeah.
11:40.82
Tim
Um, pro promo heavy show, which is probably fine, but, um, the Briscoe promo, I thought you look, it's, it's Martin Briscoe.
11:44.02
Dug
A little bit. here right
11:49.57
Tim
I'm never going to have a problem with that. I'll tell you what I do want. I want an, uh, an international ass whooping t-shirt. I thought that was funny when he said it's going to be an international ass whooping.
11:58.04
Dug
Yeah. Yeah.
12:00.46
Tim
I'd buy that.
12:00.70
Dug
I'll take one of those, please. Thank you.
12:02.10
Tim
Yeah, but that was fine.
12:02.38
Dug
I'll take that. Mm-hmm.
12:05.11
Tim
I, you know, notes, whatever. Uh, then we went to the ricochet promo might have been his best in AEW. I genuinely mean that. might That might've been his best promo in AEW.
12:16.41
Dug
He is getting, he is gaining some momentum and I think he's finally like figuring out that character and how that character presents and it's, it's working and that was a good one.
12:18.70
Tim
Mm-hmm.
12:27.62
Dug
I liked it.
12:28.44
Tim
Yeah, I liked him doing the I'm going to do charity work. I thought that was fun. I thought that was a good line. i thought that was good line. um Conglomeration promo followed after that. i thought it was a little weird to split that.
12:39.70
Tim
i get the Briscoe one by itself, and then you come you do another one, and then you kind of come back to him.
12:42.06
Dug
Yeah.
12:44.46
Tim
thought that was a little bit weird in terms of the layout of the show.
12:48.15
Dug
Yeah.
12:48.47
Tim
um Even with Mark Briscoe, I only thought that one was okay. Yeah.
12:54.20
Dug
Well, it, yeah, with, um I want to call him Kyle O'Reilly, but that's not his name.
13:00.38
Tim
No, Roderick Strong.
13:01.54
Dug
Roderick Strong. I constantly get them in in my head good confused, but Roderick Strong, it's, He's another one of those guys that, yeah, he's he's good.
13:10.58
Tim
Yeah.
13:10.65
Dug
he doesn't have much of a personality and he seems to be lacking, you know, without without his his cohorts and his running mates.
13:12.69
Tim
Nope.
13:19.37
Dug
But
13:20.54
Tim
Yeah.
13:22.04
Dug
i knew
13:22.10
Tim
i'm I'm also a little bit over the whole, like, I'm not part of the conglomeration thing. Then okay, then don't be.
13:28.41
Dug
Yeah, then why are you standing around with them?
13:30.36
Tim
Yeah, why are you hanging out with them? Then just don't be.
13:32.92
Dug
I did ah did like Orange's response. I don't think he saw me here.
13:36.82
Tim
That was great. I actually wrote down that Orange Cassidy saved it with that line.
13:40.63
Dug
He did.
13:40.70
Tim
I thought that was tremendous.
13:42.46
Dug
And Renee's like, you were standing right there. So good.
13:46.84
Tim
I would watch a 30-minute TV show of Orange Cassidy and Renee.
13:52.08
Dug
Oh, yeah, so good.
13:52.25
Tim
They are great. Yeah.
13:54.14
Dug
So good. So good.
13:56.34
Tim
So then they went to that at hospital footage of Darby.
13:59.84
Dug
Mm-hmm.
14:00.95
Tim
What do you make of that?
14:04.34
Dug
I don't know. Like, I don't know.
14:05.98
Tim
Neither do I.
14:07.00
Dug
I don't like the only thing I can think of is he is something happened.
14:07.03
Tim
but
14:13.07
Dug
And during a cursory like medical checkup that they found something else. And that's why he's in the hospital. And they're just being super cautious or it's some weird elaborate work.
14:24.90
Dug
And that's footage from when he was in the hospital previously. I don't know.
14:29.27
Tim
So... Yeah, so I think it's some sort of work. I don't think that that's a real hospital that he was in. Because I don't know how you shoot that in a hospital.
14:36.75
Dug
That's fair. Mm-hmm.
14:40.15
Tim
You know what I mean? Like, I think it was kind of supposed to be like,
14:45.62
Dug
Security footage, almost.
14:46.46
Tim
Yeah, like security cam footage, but it but it also was sort of cell phone video, and I don't, I didn't understand it. I think it's a weird, elaborate work. I think you described that very well.
14:57.56
Tim
I just have no idea where we're going with it. Either it's a, or or maybe it's it's a ah combination, right? Where like, it's what you said of, ah he did get dinged in the first match, which wouldn't surprise me, um you know, in that match last week.
15:12.92
Dug
Right.
15:16.28
Tim
And now he can't go, so they got to figure out how to write him out of it to keep the tournament going. Or i don't know. i don't I don't understand where we're going with that.
15:25.34
Dug
No, I don't. I don't know.
15:27.96
Tim
I guess we'll see, but I don't.
15:29.24
Dug
Yeah, I felt it was weird.
15:32.15
Tim
It might also be a, this just popped into my head. It might be a way to help explain him losing. Cause I, I don't, he's another one that I'm like, well, he's not making it to semi-final.
15:43.54
Dug
No.
15:44.15
Tim
I don't think I, you know, cause isn't he in the same league with Okada and Fletcher?
15:45.48
Dug
No.
15:51.03
Tim
Do I have that right?
15:52.73
Dug
ah Possibly, yeah.
15:54.69
Tim
Cause if he is and he's not making it to the semi-final.
15:56.76
Dug
No, he's not going to make it, no.
15:58.26
Tim
So that might be part of it to explain that out. I don't, I don't know. I guess we'll see.
16:03.26
Dug
Yeah. But the some of those coffin drops on, they look horrendous. So I don't know how he doesn't have permanent whiplash and just constant CT.
16:08.86
Tim
Yeah. Yeah.
16:12.28
Tim
I, I, Yeah, don't get me wrong. Like I said before, not going to be able to walk by the time he's 45. And so it wouldn't surprise me if they come back with like, oh, no, no, it's legit.
16:19.70
Dug
Yeah.
16:23.80
Tim
He's hurt. But I also feel like, again, sitting here on the day after the show, I feel like that would be out there, right? Like the dirt sheets would be going, well, there's rumblings that this is a shoot thing.
16:31.72
Dug
Yeah.
16:35.66
Tim
And we haven't seen, at least I haven't seen that. So.
16:38.65
Dug
Well, what makes me think it isn't is I did see one headline that says Darby Allen legitimately hurt. I'm like, okay, that's makes me think he's not.
16:45.82
Tim
Okay. let Let me line be real with you. I spend most of my time when I'm supposed to be working reading wrestling dirt sheet rumors. I didn't see it today. So.
16:56.18
Dug
I saw it somewhere. I thought it was today. I think it was today. It was one of those where get in my feed and it scroll and I scrolled by it.
16:59.77
Tim
Okay. I mean, I might have just missed it.
17:02.95
Dug
I didn't click on it.
17:03.38
Tim
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see. We'll see where they go.
17:07.34
Dug
Yep.
17:07.94
Tim
After that, we got Kevin Knight, your boy, and Kyle Fletcher.
17:12.60
Dug
that was That was a hell of a match.
17:12.76
Tim
God, Kevin Knight's good.
17:15.49
Dug
That was so good front to back.
17:15.70
Tim
It was.
17:18.78
Dug
Man, that was great. Kevin Knight, he is... You know how they used to talk about the four pillars? He is one of the new, potentially the new pillar. And you can stack him up there with Kyle Fletcher because those two...
17:28.92
Tim
Yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah Yeah.
17:32.66
Dug
you talk you know You mentioned the other day, you give that right into my veins. ah Yep, I'll take that match over and over again.
17:37.74
Tim
Mm hmm.
17:39.14
Dug
i He's good. So good. so
17:41.78
Tim
Yeah, they were great. And I'm glad you got to see him do that coast to coast after you couldn't see it.
17:46.79
Dug
Okay, that was my nitpick.
17:48.82
Tim
Okay, hit me.
17:50.04
Dug
That angle that they shot it at was garbage.
17:53.30
Tim
Yeah.
17:53.91
Dug
You can't see how far he's going when you're shooting from the point of view of the corner.
17:56.06
Tim
Yeah.
17:58.58
Dug
tea Come on.
18:00.25
Tim
I agree with you on that. I think that that AEW still has production issues.
18:04.82
Dug
They 100% do.
18:05.05
Tim
Like, they're They're not always shooting it right. They have a lot of audio issues. And i don't know i don't know what's going on there, and I don't know how you get that fixed. but i So I agree with you on that standpoint.
18:18.87
Tim
I think part of why they shot it that way is that was how they shot it the week before when he launched and and how I was telling you that like my jaw was on the floor. like It broke my brain because you could see from that angle how high he got.
18:34.42
Dug
okay yeah
18:34.58
Tim
And like I said, he... i don't I still don't know how to describe it. He pulled his legs up and then kicked him out.
18:41.14
Dug
Oh, yeah, yeah. I know what you're saying. Yeah.
18:42.52
Tim
Yeah. And it was just like, it was mind-blowing to me. And I think they were trying to do that again. And I don't think that he launched as well as he did the week before.
18:53.69
Tim
in in and um
18:53.72
Dug
i he He got there, but he did not overshoot like you described last week.
18:56.09
Tim
Oh, yeah, he got there. I mean, the way he did it last week, I legitimately was like, oh my God, this guy could literally jump ring post to ring post, and I think he could do it easily the way it looked last week.
19:03.48
Dug
You pounced.
19:09.53
Tim
I think they were trying to reproduce that, and it just didn't come together that way. But I agree with you.
19:14.25
Dug
That's fair.
19:15.17
Tim
i would rather you do the hard cam shot and let us see how far he goes.
19:18.42
Dug
Yes. Or at least bring it around some so we can see that distance better because it was a little difficult to even see him from there.
19:21.18
Tim
Yeah.
19:24.50
Dug
So it it was a great move.
19:25.38
Tim
Mm-hmm.
19:27.45
Dug
I thought it was shot terribly.
19:28.92
Tim
I don't disagree. I don't disagree with you on that. I didn't think it in the moment, but I i get it.
19:35.16
Dug
I kept waiting because I'm like, okay, they're setting it up, setting up and they're going move to the other cam. And then they didn't.
19:39.42
Tim
Yeah.
19:39.98
Dug
I was like, are you kidding?
19:41.43
Tim
Yeah.
19:41.50
Dug
All right. one
19:42.27
Tim
Now that you mention it, I'm with you. They should switch to the hard cam on that. I think part of them are a little bit afraid of if he doesn't make it, it's going to be harder to cover it on the hard cam shot than that corner shot.
19:54.52
Tim
But I think he's proven he's going to make it. Yeah.
19:58.76
Dug
He's going to him he's going to make contact one way or the other.
20:00.70
Tim
Yeah, he's going to get there. Like, it's, i don't think you need to worry about it.
20:04.54
Dug
no
20:04.76
Tim
How do you feel about the brain buster for the finish for Kyle Fletcher? For the finisher?
20:10.84
Dug
I thought in the moment it it felt pretty good. I don't know if I want to see him continue to use that as his main finisher, but I thought it looked, it looked good because it was clearly out of, you know, he was clearly frustrated that he couldn't keep his, his shoulders pinned. And so I think he got them with a, with a power bomb and then did the brain buster. And so I was, I was okay with it. Then i don't, like I said, I don't know if I want to see that be as permanent finisher.
20:40.38
Tim
That seems to be the sequence, you know, like that's, the that's his two moves of doom to go with seeing as five moves of doom.
20:43.01
Dug
Yeah.
20:48.56
Tim
Right.
20:48.92
Dug
yes Yeah. Yeah.
20:50.30
Tim
and And I don't necessarily, i don't hate it if you're going to chain those together because it makes some sense, right? Like you just destroyed this this person's neck.
21:03.03
Dug
yeah
21:03.26
Tim
um But for a guy that I think is absolutely ticketed to be world champion sooner rather than later, i think it might happen in 2026.
21:12.66
Dug
Right.
21:14.79
Tim
I think he may win it at some point in there.
21:16.74
Dug
Could be. Could be.
21:19.37
Tim
I'd maybe like to see you have a little bit better, a little bit more of a convincing finisher, you know?
21:23.96
Dug
Okay.
21:25.18
Tim
Um, I wouldn't mind if it was a submission move of some sort.
21:25.21
Dug
Mm-hmm.
21:29.53
Tim
I think he's just big enough that you could, you know, pull off some sort of power move.
21:29.69
Dug
Yeah.
21:35.03
Dug
Oh, yeah.
21:35.26
Tim
Um, I don't know what it is, but you know, for, for a minute there, he was doing it where he would drop them on the turn buckle. And I thought that was probably not sustainable, but it's,
21:45.58
Dug
That's no.
21:48.99
Tim
devastating to watch you know so i i don't oh yeah so i don't know i just i feel like um i feel like i'd i'd like to see him develop a better finisher but i might be overthinking that i might be overthinking it because look here's the thing if he wins the world title on a sheer drop brain buster i'm not gonna complain about it i'm really not yeah i'm not i mean i'm just gonna go yeah okay you know like
21:51.74
Dug
Very cool to see
22:02.10
Dug
Okay.
22:10.74
Dug
Not my champ.
22:15.48
Dug
Brain buster, not my champ.
22:17.69
Tim
I mean, I'm going to be fine with it. Let's be real. I'm going to be fine with it.
22:21.30
Dug
Exactly.
22:21.41
Tim
ah The Don Callis let your nuts drop line was tremendous in that promo that followed. That was tremendous.
22:27.65
Dug
But again, production issues. Why are you to have Don Callis get in and then take a break?
22:31.43
Tim
Yep.
22:34.90
Dug
Right? it Come on.
22:36.66
Tim
That, and and I didn't understand why did Don hand the mic to Kyle Fletcher there.
22:38.43
Dug
Oh, man.
22:41.94
Dug
Because I don't think I don't think they let him know they were going to break. And I think that was, I don't know if that match went long or something, but it felt like Kyle was supposed to talk.
22:54.01
Dug
And then someone got in in his ear or he got the signal that, no, we're going to break. You need to fill. And it's like, oh, I think because he started talking and then he didn't break.
23:00.54
Tim
So what's that's interesting. Okay. Because i i had yeah I had actually had the opposite thought where I thought they i thought Don thought they already went to commercial.
23:14.81
Dug
Oh, oh, maybe.
23:15.51
Tim
and And him giving the mic to Kyle was how he was going to help Phil.
23:20.17
Dug
That's possible.
23:21.53
Tim
But either either way, I think you're right. I think there was a timing issue there. I think you got that. I think you nailed that.
23:26.58
Dug
That was, yeah, that was clunky.
23:28.07
Tim
was weird.
23:29.88
Dug
But yes, let your nuts drop.
23:29.89
Tim
was weird.
23:32.44
Dug
That was funny.
23:32.82
Tim
Good line. I also have, what's that?
23:34.22
Dug
Dude's so good. He's so good. He's just good.
23:37.05
Tim
He is. He's tremendous.
23:37.90
Dug
Yeah.
23:38.47
Tim
I also had to laugh on the ah how the the face run in of it all. Like, I love that the Bucks and Jurassic Express are getting absolutely destroyed and Omega doesn't do a single thing.
23:52.32
Tim
But as soon as Don does the old wet willy to the eye well, that's a bridge too far, my friend. Like, now we're coming for you. Like, it's always weird.
24:02.58
Dug
It was weird. I mean, the the run-ins, like I said, i i love a good run-in and I don't see a lot of really good ones late.
24:12.38
Tim
I agree.
24:12.80
Dug
Yes,
24:13.27
Tim
I agree. a Shout out to Simon Miller again, who, who, if you haven't seen, it I think he does it on his own YouTube channel, not the what culture one. He makes fun of it where he's like the backstage producer and he's like, okay, I need you to look like you just smelled a fart, you know?
24:27.30
Tim
And it's like, and then he cuts to what they did and it lines up beautifully.
24:28.22
Dug
yes. yes
24:32.48
Tim
So I'm sure he'll do something with that of, you know, in his role of you can't appear until they say your name, like the Joe Hendry gimmick.
24:35.69
Dug
Yeah,
24:39.51
Tim
But anyway, anyway,
24:39.96
Dug
yeah exactly. Exactly. So yeah, I, yeah, that, that was clunky and okay.
24:45.69
Tim
And it wasn't the only clunky one, but we'll get to that. ah I'm really curious what you thought about timeless love bombs and the mega problems, which I think is an amazing name for that tag team.
24:58.30
Dug
I like that name.
24:59.48
Tim
I love it.
24:59.64
Dug
i like that tag team.
25:02.28
Tim
hmm.
25:02.90
Dug
I didn't love this match.
25:04.79
Tim
Hmm. Okay.
25:06.33
Dug
i
25:08.95
Dug
And maybe I was a little distracted during the match, but
25:15.26
Dug
I don't know. i it just...
25:19.64
Dug
I don't know. There was something about it after going through what they did with Blood and Guts, then to have this you know death match that didn't really feel like a death match.
25:33.41
Dug
It felt just like kind kind of a hardcore match, and it was it was fine. I'm always going to like Tony. I like everybody involved. it it has nothing to do with the work they put out, but it just didn't... It felt unnecessary. And I understand why they had Tony call for a death match because it shows she's not afraid to meet them on their terms and still beat them. And I get it.
26:00.25
Dug
Them going over is fine. i think it's clear now they are going to be the champions, but maybe I'm wrong. Um, I was only, it was, it was fine.
26:11.18
Dug
it didn't, I didn't pouch for it, but you know, it was fine.
26:13.59
Tim
Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, so for those of you listening and that don't watch this on YouTube, I was vigorously nodding in agreement. I agree with everything you said there.
26:24.66
Tim
I have never understood the stipulation from the jump. And we talked about that. I think in the full gear episode, in our first episode of like, I don't understand. i never understood it.
26:34.94
Dug
Mm-mm. Mm-mm.
26:35.61
Tim
It never made sense to me of, you and I get, I mean, okay. The shoot logic of it, Is I want to extend the tag team tournament, the women's tag team tournament. I want to get these four teams on the full gear card. So fine. We'll have it be the winner gets to pick a stipulation for their match.
26:53.18
Tim
Okay, fine. Little weird. Probably could have done one of your all-star eight woman tag teams that used to be Tony's favorite thing before he got onto the money matches.
27:05.14
Dug
Wait till we get the all-star four-team money match. There, we're cooking.
27:07.93
Tim
Oh, it's it's coming. But you know i mean? Like, you could have had the four faces, and you could have had the four heels, and you could have just done, and then the winning team, the winning eight, or the winning four people, both then got to pick stipulations, because I thought it was weird that only one team gets to pick it.
27:23.67
Dug
Yep.
27:23.70
Tim
I agree with you that i i i I get the logic of, like you said, we'll meet you on your territory. We're not afraid of you. But also, like, coming that close on the heels of Blood and Guts, it felt a little weird.
27:35.18
Tim
I also...
27:35.51
Dug
But it it it was that retribution aspect, too, of making Tony watch, you know.
27:38.87
Tim
Sure.
27:40.23
Dug
And so I i i i get it.
27:41.02
Tim
Sure.
27:42.71
Dug
And again, on paper, it doesn't look terrible.
27:47.67
Dug
I just felt it was unnecessary. And again, I just didn't. I would have much rather seen a match that went hard than because it didn't go.
27:53.02
Tim
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
27:56.02
Dug
Like I said, and i it's not that I'm seeking a death match, but if you're going call it a death match. Should be more of a death match.
28:03.48
Tim
I agree. And I'm sure some of that is getting around copyright because I don't think they can say hardcore. I think WWE wwe owns that.
28:11.48
Dug
re Oh, okay. All right.
28:12.60
Tim
I may be wrong, but I think they do.
28:15.16
Dug
Okay.
28:15.86
Tim
um So that might've been part of it. I don't know. What I do know is my concern with it being that close to blood and guts was I was like, you gotta, to you gotta keep people healthy.
28:27.98
Dug
Yeah, yeah.
28:28.38
Tim
You know, like,
28:30.10
Dug
And this is where I got to tip my hat. And I thought Brian Danielson is so good on commentary because he made that exact point.
28:36.15
Tim
I agree.
28:38.80
Dug
He was like, coming off blood and guts, you know, you really got to pay attention to what you're doing and to put themselves through this so close after that and what they're doing to themselves now. But all night, that was just...
28:50.36
Dug
A really good example of Brian Danielson saying the things that need to be said in a way that's believable. And I really liked his contributions and maybe it just stood out more tonight that last night than it did in a while, but he did a great job.
29:02.77
Tim
Honestly, I've thought since they put him on commentary, I've thought he's been tremendous. And I'm not kidding. I think it was either the first or second Wednesday that he was on commentary.
29:15.58
Tim
I texted my friend Mike, who you can also see on that episode of Dynamite. he's he's
29:20.26
Dug
Oh,
29:20.82
Tim
I'm in between you and him. um I think I texted him. I'd be fine if Taz doesn't come back. And that's not even a shot at Taz.
29:31.92
Dug
uh-huh. No, yeah.
29:33.27
Tim
It's Brian Danielson is that good, i think.
29:36.02
Dug
Yep. Mm-hmm.
29:37.02
Tim
And i was like, I'd be completely okay between Brian Danielson and Nigel McGinnis.
29:44.25
Tim
Those are probably the two best color guys in wrestling right now.
29:44.28
Dug
Yeah.
29:47.41
Tim
I mean, Corey Graves is up there. I like Corey Graves, but, um you know, I, nothing against.
29:49.88
Dug
Oh, yeah. Corey's really good. Really good.
29:55.03
Dug
And you throw in work of the the occasional work of Don Callis in there, and you've you've got a really you've got a really solid team to draw from on that.
29:55.95
Tim
Yep. Yeah. Yeah.
30:06.24
Dug
I like it.
30:07.06
Tim
Yeah. And, you know, nothing against Taz, but like I was getting kind of annoyed with him prior to him going away because I felt like he was doing the whatever Jones like. Way too much.
30:18.62
Dug
Yeah.
30:18.68
Tim
Way too much. And I know, again, to shout out another podcast, Chris Van Fleet had Brian Danielson on. That episode actually dropped today. um' I've listened to most of it.
30:30.30
Tim
And Brian talks about the commentary thing, and I guess he only came in to do it because Taz had shoulder surgery. So I don't know how permanent this is, but I hope very.
30:40.41
Dug
I hope he stays because he's so good.
30:42.42
Tim
Well, he did also talk about like, he was like, yeah, the travel's actually really hard on my neck. So I don't know.
30:47.80
Dug
Okay.
30:49.15
Tim
We'll see. We'll see. It's good. Listen, by the way. um Yeah. I just to put a bow on the timeless love bombs and the mega problems. I wasn't surprised that the faces went over. We're going to get face versus face. The heels are going to chase. I don't think that's a bad thing.
31:05.27
Tim
um I know normally you do the opposite on the chase where the face is the one chasing, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
31:05.59
Dug
Yep.
31:11.19
Tim
I think particularly with the mega problems being if they're the first ones up and I think they should be um regardless of who wins. I'm okay with that.
31:22.17
Tim
By the way, i I agree with you that I think the timeless love bombs win, but there is a part of me that wonders if the babes of wrath take it because they are so over.
31:32.01
Dug
They're very over. And what I was just going to say is, what do you think the odds are that we see a Babes of Wrath turn?
31:45.11
Dug
Because they lose.
31:45.12
Tim
That's interesting. The only reason that I don't think they'll do it is they have now created a women's tag team landscape that basically consists of these four teams.
31:58.17
Tim
And as I said, I read a lot of the dirt sheets.
31:58.30
Dug
True.
32:01.94
Tim
There are reports out there that Anna Jay's contract is up some point relatively soon and that she is not a guarantee to resign.
32:11.22
Dug
Right. Yep.
32:11.96
Tim
um So you may lose TyJ, and that was really your only other team. I mean, like I said before, i would like them to revisit the Athena Mercedes team, and since they are pushing ROH more on Dynamite, especially tonight.
32:24.25
Dug
Yeah.
32:28.15
Tim
And by the way, I get why they do that.
32:28.41
Dug
Mm-hmm. 100%, yeah.
32:31.90
Tim
I think that it makes some sense to get Athena on TV, on Dynamite more. I should say on TV, because ROH, unfortunately, is not on TV.
32:37.69
Dug
Mm-hmm.
32:40.41
Tim
I think it should be.
32:41.07
Dug
Yeah, that sucks.
32:41.25
Tim
but Well, i I think Tony's holding out for... You're not going to get an AEW Dynamite-type deal, but I think he's holding out for a better deal than perhaps ROH is actually worth in its current form.
32:50.86
Dug
No.
32:55.90
Dug
Probably, yeah. Probably, yeah.
32:57.27
Tim
What I'm real curious by is Warner Bros. Discovery being for sale. If Netflix buys it, which they might, there seems to be a pretty strong chance that they're going to.
33:08.38
Tim
That suddenly becomes very fascinating to me, not just because of the WWE wwe component of it, but like, do you just go ahead and put ROH on Netflix or will they then finally put it on HBO Max, which is where it should have been this whole time?
33:22.71
Tim
i don't, I don't know.
33:22.75
Dug
Yep.
33:24.87
Tim
We'll see. It's interesting.
33:26.71
Dug
It is.
33:27.99
Tim
I thought the video package they showed for the women, particularly teasing the Jamie Hayter, Chris Statlander title match was good. I liked it.
33:34.90
Dug
That was solid. liked it.
33:36.41
Tim
ah Like I said, more Dark Order, please.
33:39.20
Dug
Yep.
33:40.25
Tim
Thought the Mercedes promo was good. I really liked that. I thought the angry Mercedes was really good there.
33:47.61
Dug
Mm-hmm.
33:48.15
Tim
um Kind of makes me a little afraid for Red Velvet, not gonna lie.
33:51.93
Dug
Oh, Red Velvet is going to metaphorically die.
33:55.26
Tim
Yeah, I think it's going to be a bad night for her.
33:55.60
Dug
Yeah.
33:58.36
Dug
Yes, it is.
33:59.77
Tim
I would prefer Stokely be the only one that talks for FTR.
34:04.63
Dug
OK. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
34:06.78
Tim
I don't mind Dax and cash doing it. I don't think they're necessarily bad. Um, but when you have Stokely start the promo and then it goes to cash, who is fine, but Stokely so good that it's like, just, just let him talk.
34:19.73
Dug
o
34:22.49
Tim
Just let him be the one to talk. Cause he's so good that then when those two talk, I'm just like, yeah you already got the point across, you know, they do.
34:28.47
Dug
yeah Look, the FTR likes the old school. They should pull a Bobby Eaton and not say anything. Just stand there.
34:36.63
Tim
Yes, I agree.
34:37.56
Dug
Stand there.
34:38.36
Tim
I agree. I think that would be great.
34:39.16
Dug
look look Look bored like Bobby Eaton used to. Just look bored and then walk away.
34:45.97
Tim
Yep.
34:46.58
Dug
Stokely do all your talking.
34:48.57
Tim
Yeah, I totally agree. ah That led us to Dark Order versus the Ops. Look, nobody thought Dark Order was winning, which is bummer because I like Dark Order.
34:54.57
Dug
Mm-mm.
34:56.85
Tim
I'd like to see more of them, but nobody thought they were winning. What was that bottle spot from Hangman after the match?
35:08.18
Dug
it didn't break, right?
35:09.75
Tim
No. and And here's the thing is that if it was supposed to, again, you talk about the production issues or whatever, the way they shot it, it was obvious he missed.
35:10.84
Dug
Yeah.
35:21.85
Dug
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:22.01
Tim
And so even if it was supposed to break, he never came close enough for it to do it. i don't I don't understand what happened there. And that's the other one that I was talking about of that beat down, quote unquote,
35:36.92
Tim
really felt to me like it lacked some intensity. and And that's a weird thing to say for something involving Hangman Adam Page.
35:44.28
Dug
With a chain.
35:45.50
Tim
Yeah. Like one of the most intense dudes.
35:46.89
Dug
huh
35:48.92
Tim
and But i it really fell flat for me.
35:51.69
Dug
Yeah.
35:52.79
Tim
i didn't I don't know. i don't know, man.
35:54.01
Dug
To the point, I kind of forgot a lot of it. That there, you know, I remember, yeah, he came down with a chain.
36:03.16
Tim
Yeah. And he hit Shibata.
36:07.03
Dug
Okay. Okay.
36:08.12
Tim
if i were And again, I just watched it. So he if I recall correctly, though, he hit Shibata with it. And then I think he hit Hobbs. And then he like went to hit Shibata again. or some of the i don't know was Or it was one of those. where I don't know, man. It felt like the timing was off. It felt like they didn't talk about it, maybe. I don't know.
36:27.13
Tim
Something just really felt off on it to me. And um that's too bad. Because...
36:34.38
Dug
Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm.
36:35.70
Tim
what followed What followed saved it, but it's really too bad that that fell as flat as it did because, you know, I think, again, you go back to what we talked about at Full Gear.
36:42.42
Dug
yeah
36:47.41
Tim
I think that you've got to keep Hangman looking strong when you once again just took the belt off of him really quickly. And i don't i don't I don't know that it did. I don't know that it didn't.
37:01.29
Tim
I'll say that.
37:02.30
Dug
I don't think it did anything one way or the other. And I did that.
37:04.49
Tim
Uh-huh.
37:04.66
Dug
May as well be a negative because we knew he was coming to the ring.
37:07.42
Tim
Yeah.
37:10.44
Tim
Yeah.
37:10.62
Dug
Nothing was decided. Nothing really was impactful other than he came to the ring. And yeah,
37:16.90
Tim
Mm-hmm. Yep.
37:20.21
Dug
I will almost would have rather he came to the ring and they wouldn't let him touch them.
37:20.47
Tim
Now.
37:23.89
Dug
Like he, they would have bailed and he would have just been flailing at nothing and done a, you know, a rage whip of the chain over the ropes and yelling at him.
37:28.53
Tim
Mm-hmm.
37:33.59
Dug
That would have been to me more effective than whatever happened with this weird miss bottle, not break thing. And then he's bleeding because he bled, right? Wasn't that it too? Then afterwards he was bleeding or am I thinking of a different bottle shot?
37:45.12
Tim
I think you're thinking of it. No, I, I, what you might be thinking of is, um, the women's tag match because Marina got busted open, which actually, that was something I wrote down that we, that we didn't talk about.
37:50.74
Dug
Oh, yep. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.
37:56.93
Tim
Shouldn't Megan Bain have been bleeding after Tony storm ground a piece of broken glass into her head. I thought that was weird.
38:04.73
Dug
Probably.
38:05.40
Tim
i That was weird, but, um, there's a theme with this show where a lot of it, where I went, that was weird.
38:06.49
Dug
Probably.
38:12.37
Tim
Um, So now, again, you go back to a production issue and and maybe a lineup issue. I don't know why we come back from break with the Don Callis promo instead of Hangman's backstage promo going, you know, look, I'm coming for you.
38:27.54
Tim
You know who's coming with me. I will say this. Get your affairs in order was a cold line. I liked that a lot.
38:32.28
Dug
Yeah. solid
38:34.42
Tim
the The intensity he had in that promo was what I wanted in the ring, and I think he was trying to do it in the ring, and I just i don't know what happened there. um But I thought it was weird to come back with the Don Callis promo and then Hangman instead of the other way around when the last thing we saw was Hangman.
38:49.30
Dug
yeah
38:53.02
Tim
And also the Don Callis promo. This is the rare time that I'm going to nitpick him, that I'm going to kind of talk about his promos. His whole explanation of the unified title actually made me more confused. And I wasn't confused before that.
39:09.88
Dug
I honestly, that's what makes me like it. Cause I think that was his point. He didn't want to answer the question. So he just did word woos and then was like, how do you not understand?
39:18.90
Tim
Yeah. Okay.
39:20.86
Dug
And it's like, well, you said nothing understandable. And his point is exactly how do you not get that?
39:23.19
Tim
Yeah.
39:25.66
Dug
So I, I think roba worked a little too well on you.
39:26.26
Tim
all right. That's fair. Okay. All right. Well, I retract my criticism.
39:30.60
Dug
And yeah, that at least that was my takeaway.
39:30.90
Tim
I think so.
39:33.94
Dug
And and admittedly, not very smart.
39:36.44
Tim
Well, no, but I don't think you're wrong. i Now that you say that, I'm like, okay, I get it. He was, okay, I get it. It was maybe a little too meta, but, you that's fine. i Well, and here's why I say that.
39:50.30
Tim
In a show where you had a lot of things that were kind of weird, that only added to the weirdness.
39:54.20
Dug
Yeah. Yeah.
39:56.74
Tim
You know what I mean? And I think by the time we got to it, there had been so many things that were just a little bit off. that I was just like, what is going on tonight?
40:07.26
Dug
yeah Yeah. Why are we dealing with this now?
40:09.43
Tim
Yeah. It didn't, it just didn't, there was a lot of stuff in there that, that I was just like, this is weird. And so by the time we,
40:14.49
Dug
It almost makes think, did they run the wrong package? And then they were like, hog balls.
40:19.38
Tim
I mean, they might've, I don't know. They might've. So then we got, then we got to Moxley and Claudio where I wrote down. So the walk to the ring isn't long enough as it is. We got to start him outside now. Like,
40:36.21
Dug
Yeah. that what What is happening? yeah
40:39.29
Tim
and Okay. Also, Renee saying, I actually spoke to Jon Moxley earlier will never not be funny.
40:40.63
Dug
What is happening?
40:46.42
Dug
It's always humorous. And I'm like, just, can you just say, i talked to John, just say John or my husband.
40:47.58
Tim
Yeah.
40:50.72
Tim
Yeah.
40:52.18
Dug
We know everyone knows we know you've talked about it.
40:52.28
Tim
Yeah.
40:55.38
Tim
My wife knows that they're married and and I turned to her and I said, I was laughing and I was like, that would be the same as me saying, well, I actually talked to Kristen this morning over breakfast in between letting the dogs out and she said, you know, like,
41:08.73
Dug
And this is what she had to say.
41:10.17
Tim
Yeah.
41:10.22
Dug
It
41:11.58
Tim
Anyway, that will never not be funny to me. um
41:13.72
Dug
it is weird. Yeah.
41:15.50
Tim
What'd you think of the match?
41:17.21
Dug
Um, it was interesting. i re honestly, i really liked the ending because i was getting to the point in that match where I was like, Holy crap. This is the one that's going to be the draw.
41:31.24
Dug
They're going to, this is the draw they're going to use.
41:32.87
Tim
That's what I thought too.
41:34.26
Dug
And then at literally as I'm thinking that boom, uppercut pin. And I thought, okay, that was a pretty clean uppercut, pretty clean pin. Weird, weird ending for a Mox match. And then, you know, they're clearly, they're clearly teasing that because the even, I think it was Excalibur was talking about, you know, Marina came out with, with Mox and then everyone else came out with Claudio.
42:00.98
Tim
Yeah.
42:01.69
Dug
So are we seeing a division? And it's like, well, yeah, clearly we're seeing a division. And it just, you know, seeing Moxley be so upset at the end outside, I thought was good and and needed to happen and liked it.
42:17.82
Dug
I think the ending for me is what saved the match because honestly, it was it was okay ah match-wise.
42:22.99
Tim
Mm-hmm.
42:24.27
Dug
They're a little too similar for it to be super interesting.
42:27.15
Tim
Mm-hmm.
42:27.90
Dug
in my opinion.
42:29.17
Tim
Mm-hmm.
42:29.55
Dug
And Claudio doesn't have enough personality to really carry that. And Mox right now, his personality is, I'm just going to be surly. So it's a little, you know, it's a lot of down and we'rere we're all angry.
42:42.05
Dug
and ah So, but that ending surprised me how clean it was.
42:49.56
Tim
h
42:49.94
Dug
And it came pretty quick. And I was like, holy cats. Okay.
42:52.89
Tim
Yeah, I agree.
42:53.00
Dug
Okay.
42:55.21
Tim
The surprise the the end surprised me. So couple of things there. um I thought the same thing through the whole match. Like, okay, this is another part of the tease to the breakup.
43:07.13
Tim
And it's another loss for Moxley and all of that stuff. And I thought the turn was going to happen. I thought for all the world that they were finally going to turn on him.
43:21.91
Tim
And then they're dapping him up. and And because this is wrestling in 2025, the social media team put out a video not long after the show ended of, oh, no, they're they're good. They're so good, they were doing push-ups together backstage, the whole Death Riders.
43:40.73
Dug
so weird I didn't see that.
43:42.23
Tim
I know. and And I was like, okay, so what?
43:48.82
Dug
were
43:49.88
Tim
Yeah. Like, again, it's weird.
43:50.90
Dug
You know, like bros do. We just go backstage and do push-ups. That's how you do
43:55.35
Tim
Well, I mean, if you're a death writer, that's what you do. Actually, you go do them outside because clearly you can't, or you do it in the crowd.
44:01.67
Dug
Yes.
44:02.89
Tim
I don't know, but I just, so I, I fear they're going to drag this out too long.
44:14.33
Dug
Possibly. i think I don't think we're going to see the implosion until at least until after the classic.
44:21.37
Tim
Yeah, probably. That makes that makes sense.
44:23.74
Dug
and i think
44:23.90
Tim
I just... Yeah.
44:26.58
Dug
But I don't think they should drag it out to the through past. Because when is the classic, does that wrap up at World's End?
44:32.41
Tim
yeah
44:33.72
Dug
That is when it should happen, in my opinion. it's That's when it's...
44:38.78
Tim
I agree. i agree. When he, okay. So then the way that probably should go then is, is Moxley should find his way into the semifinal. Cause if I have this right, the two semifinals and the final all happen at world's end.
44:52.18
Tim
If I have that correct, I'm pretty sure.
44:53.74
Dug
Could be, yeah.
44:56.92
Tim
So I agree with you. So the semi, so he should get to the semifinal, he should lose. And that's where the turn should happen because he can't win anymore.
45:05.77
Dug
Mm-hmm.
45:07.06
Tim
I hope he goes away. Like we talked about, i think he deserves it.
45:09.54
Dug
Mm-hmm.
45:10.67
Tim
And I think it wouldn't be a bad thing, but I don't know.
45:11.83
Dug
Oh, yeah. yeah
45:14.37
Tim
We'll see. Um, so that pretty well wraps up. What was a kind of bizarre episode of dynamite.
45:21.40
Dug
Yes, it was. And once again, though, they did make a point of saying how many people were in the Don Callis family.
45:27.64
Tim
They did. he did.
45:29.59
Dug
Which is so funny to me that they keep pointing that out.
45:31.06
Tim
Yeah. Well, and, and I,
45:33.39
Dug
can't wait for that breakup either.
45:34.78
Tim
Right. And that's what think that's where we're headed. I think that's why they're pointing that out is we know it's bloated and we're doing it on purpose.
45:43.02
Dug
Mm-hmm. 100%.
45:44.70
Tim
Yeah. So. um Ooh, that's a good question.
45:47.16
Dug
What was your highlight of the night?
45:52.41
Tim
I probably the.
45:57.30
Tim
Probably.
46:00.55
Tim
I'm going back and forth between Kevin Knight and pack. I'm going back and forth in my head between. I'm going to say Kevin Knight, but it's close. It's real.
46:09.05
Dug
I think for me, the highlight was the Okada pinning of Pac as he's trying to get on the whatever.
46:09.39
Tim
us
46:16.84
Dug
I can't remember the the ah brutalizer.
46:18.03
Tim
The brutalizer.
46:19.62
Dug
Yeah.
46:20.22
Tim
Yeah.
46:20.82
Dug
I thought that was such a really good, smooth finish that that was such a, hey, that was such a great match. The Kevin Knight match with Protostar, such a good match.
46:33.94
Dug
Even, you know, in the Max Claudio thing, the ending was really good, but the highlight for me was seeing Okada pin him that way. I thought that was really good. His reaction afterwards, I thought that story was was really well told.
46:44.97
Dug
I liked that a lot for me.
46:46.59
Tim
Yeah. Yeah. i I think the only reason i leaned towards just Kevin Knight in general is i am fully on board the push him to the moon train.
46:58.33
Dug
Yep. Yep. But please take it slow. Please take it slow.
47:00.89
Tim
Yeah.
47:01.71
Dug
Don't put him into like a title situation and then have him lose and then go, now I don't know what to do.
47:06.84
Tim
Yeah. Yeah. So I would say it was probably him. I would also put Eddie specifically Eddie Kingston's promo in there. Cause he just doesn't miss on the mic, but overall weird, kind of a weird episode.
47:14.97
Dug
Yeah. That was solid. No, he does not love him.
47:21.43
Dug
Was odd, filled with weirdness and bizarre angles.
47:22.42
Tim
Yeah.
47:25.91
Tim
Yeah.
47:26.39
Dug
I mean camera. I don't mean wrestling angles.
47:27.83
Tim
Yeah.
47:29.93
Dug
But yeah, I liked it.
47:31.54
Tim
Yeah, I mean, i this is where AEW sometimes falls victim to the to their own high bar. is I was watching that kind of going like, yeah I don't know, i'm not I'm not feeling this one the way I usually do.
47:40.11
Dug
Hmm.
47:45.78
Tim
But here's what I always say about Dynamite. Even if the stuff in between the matches is weird like it was tonight or even kind of boring, which happens, the matches are always going to be good.
47:54.58
Dug
Right.
47:57.24
Dug
Yep.
47:57.37
Tim
Always, without question.
47:58.66
Dug
Yep. Mm-hmm.
48:00.66
Tim
So, you know, and they, they delivered on that tonight and yeah, it was fine.
48:08.62
Dug
Mm-hmm.
48:08.95
Tim
It was fine. It was a little weird, but it was fine. That's what I came away with.
48:13.27
Dug
if they tighten up that backstage presentation, do things in slightly different order than they did, ah that would have raised the bar on that show quite a bit, but you know, that's us nitpicking, but yeah I thought it was when you look at that stack card, whoo, it's hard for that not to be a decent show.
48:20.66
Tim
Yeah, I agree. I agree. But yeah, it was.
48:30.30
Tim
Yeah, yeah. And and we're going to keep getting that throughout the Continental Classic because there's not a bad match anywhere in there.
48:33.93
Dug
Oh yeah.
48:38.36
Dug
So yeah, it,
48:39.40
Tim
Yeah. So it's fine.
48:43.96
Tim
It's fine.
48:44.33
Dug
We give these glowing reviews and it's fine. It's okay.
48:46.94
Tim
Well, I mean, it's really yeah, it's like I said, the matches were good.
48:48.06
Dug
No, I get it.
48:50.94
Tim
The stuff in between the matches was weird.
48:51.35
Dug
Yeah.
48:54.05
Dug
Yep.
48:54.58
Tim
And there was a lot of stuff in between the matches.
48:54.78
Dug
Was moving.
48:56.90
Tim
So...
48:57.44
Dug
Yep. Maybe if they would have showed everyone doing pushups between matches, we would have liked it better.
49:02.97
Tim
ah While bleeding, i think that would have been the key because Moxley is bleeding in that.
49:06.14
Dug
Yes. And if we... Of course he is.
49:09.82
Tim
Yeah.
49:10.04
Dug
And I... Oh... How they're like, he wasn't bleeding that bad before the giant swing. Then all the blood rushed to his head started squirting like a sprinkler or whatever it was. There you go.
49:20.06
Tim
Yeah. Yeah. i don't know. So again, it was fun. I will say this though. Remember last week when I was like, Claudio should be like a multi-time world champion. Well, you're welcome, buddy, for that CMLL title.
49:35.10
Dug
There you go.
49:35.19
Tim
Welcome for that one.
49:36.63
Dug
there you go
49:38.01
Tim
And I will say this. I actually thought he looked better in that match than he's looked in a while.
49:43.13
Dug
I did too.
49:43.45
Tim
did.
49:44.22
Dug
I really did. That was one of my more favorite Claudio matches where he was spotlighted.
49:47.48
Tim
Yeah. Yeah.
49:50.34
Dug
Again, I think he works best as the heavy in a tag or multi-man match and keep his time in there limited. Power move, power move, cripple someone, someone else comes to get the pin.
50:00.19
Tim
Yep, I agree. So, all right, on to next week. We'll see what they do.
50:03.35
Dug
Yes, sir.
50:04.39
Tim
Yep, and I don't even know what the card, well, we won't know what the card is going to be for next week, but there's going some bangers out of the Continental Classic, I can tell you that.
50:04.76
Dug
right.
50:14.02
Dug
Yep. So until next time, make sure you like, share, subscribe, do all the things, make the clickety clicks, ah or you just tell someone about it. Tell someone about the the the show. That helps.
50:25.47
Tim
Honestly, do all of the above. You have the time.
50:27.35
Dug
Okay.
50:27.96
Tim
Let's be honest. Do it.
50:29.59
Dug
If you made it this far, you you have the time. Also, Blue Chew, where you at?
50:38.10
Tim
I need to go figure out who's in charge of, you know, advertising over there just to get rejected by them.
50:42.36
Dug
Let me just say Bluetooth. Hold on. let me Just the sound. wow that that's See, that if it if that if I had Bluetooth, that would have been a full-on boi-yo-yo-yo-yo-yo-yo.