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Let's do this. Hello and welcome to another episode of the Meaningful Marketing Podcast. My guest today is, um, a photographer from the Headshot guys. Welcome Brad Delaney. Thanks Chantel for having me from the Gold Coast Brisbane.
Yep. How you going?
Yeah, amazing. Thank you. So the headshot guys, tell me how did you come up with that name for a photographer?
Um, yeah. Well, I, yeah, I guess I. When I started the business, um, and I've been a photographer on the Gold Coast for a long time, but I started the business and I was shooting anything and everything, and I had a mate who was into marketing, he was a business coach, and he said, listen, your stuff's really good, but you've gotta find it niche.
And I went, oh, okay. So I went, oh, what's happening at the moment? And this is way back in 2010 or something. Um, and I was looking at the states because we generally follow their trends and Facebook was starting to happen. Instagram probably not quite around yet. Um, and I just kept on seeing head shots. I was shooting at that stage, a lot of stuff outdoors.
Uh, commercial buildings and commercial boats. Very weather, uh, intrusive, you know, rains, shoot, gets canceled, all that kind of stuff. I want something that's indoors and it's not gonna be affected by the weather because at that stage when you're shooting freelance. If shoot gets canceled, you're not making any money.
So I wanted something I could do in my garage effectively. So that's how it sort of came about. So head shots, um, actors, models. Corporates. Yeah. So that, yeah. Nice.
Awesome. And, um, when you first started out, um, well, a while back, I know part of the trend that you used to, or that you were synonymous for was where you did the headshot photography, but you actually chopped off the top of the head.
Yep. Could you tell us a little bit about how you got into that work? What was the thinking behind that?
So the idea behind the, the chopping off the top of the head is the proximity that you are to a person. So, uh, a lot of people complain, God, man, you get really close. Um, but I wanted, I wanted to create a situation where there was absolutely no doubt whatsoever what this picture is of.
I find that generally people are way too far back and a headshot is head and shoulders. That's what it is. Chopping off the top of the head. That actually comes from the TV and the movies, when they do a closeup on TV and movies, they often chop off the top of the head and it's about getting the eyes above centerline.
It's, I guess it's really a photographic thing, a rule of thirds, and that's a pretty standard kind of a photographic rule that we have. When you. Divide the image up into nine equal bits, and you put the most important thing on one of those thirds. Um, for a photography sensor and a portrait, the eyes are generally considered the most important thing.
So I used to like putting the eyes on that top thing and to do that and get close enough, I used to chop the top of their head off. For most people, they didn't care. People loved it, but it was also a bit of a signature Look, people. Saw that image and they went, oh, that's one of Brad's. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, I, I don't, I, I still do it.
I still have it in my marketing, but I don't do it. Um. The way I used to anymore, I had to change.
Tell us about that change. Why, what happened? Um,
I guess it was a marketing thing again. You know, uh, back in 2010 there, there was kind of limited spaces where people would put their imagery. Online, um, nowadays just a plethora of options for people to put their imagery, um, across, all across social media and websites and et cetera, et cetera.
I found that I used to get a lot of pushback from marketing people. Um. Graphic designers, website designers, because they'd ring me up and they'd go, oh, can I have the ones with the top of the heads in them? And I'd go, oh, that's, that's it. That's the way it was shot. It's straight outta camera. And they'd sort of go, well, what am I gonna do with this?
And I go, oh, I dunno. You're a graphic designer. Design something. Yeah. And I guess that we, we've been through that era now for, without, with a, a lot of graphic designers and um, where they essentially are using templates a lot, so. Uh, their image spaces are kind of fixed and they don't like to change 'em because it takes time.
So if my image with the head chopped off didn't kind of quite fit, and of course I used to shoot in a horizontal format as well, which was again, a little bit unique, but that, that came about because that's how our humans view the world in a, in a horizontal format. So, um, shooting in a portrait format. I think doesn't quite work most of the time.
Um, so horizontal format, it's how our cameras see how our, um, you know, our movie. Screens a horizontal format. Our TV screens, our computer screens, and it's all because that's how humans see the world in a horizontal format. Oh, that's how I used to shoot. Oh gosh.
My, my friends, my friends all know me, and if they are taking photos of me, it is always a portrait because everything that we do, like when it comes to the social media.
Is portraits. So it's like if you are videoing me, if you are taking any sort of photos or if we hand the camera over to like a waitress or something, they all look at me. If the waitress, if the waitress turns the phone horizontal, my friends all look at me 'cause they like waiting for me to bark at them and go no, go portrait.
Um, but the benefit is, is that nowadays, you know, there's so many different editing tools that you can do to simply change that. To change it. Yeah. Yeah. So. So I always say that marketing's not about, uh, what you do. That's the same as everyone else. Marketing is about what you do that's different from everyone else.
Yeah. So could you share with us a little bit about like what you, what you believe you are at this present date? Your key marketing point, point of differences are.
Um, I, I guess my main point of difference I find is that I spend a lot of time on my headshots, like, uh, people coming for an individual headshot and it's like 90 minutes and I shoot a lot.
Um, I have five techniques that I follow religiously, uh, jaw. Eyes, mouth turning and tilting. And that's basically, I, I, I guess my core belief, one core belief is that most people look like crap in their photos. I find the main reason they look terrible is they've often just simply never been taught how to do it.
So every person doesn't matter what they look like, they have a, their, their best head position and then their best expression. So I spent a lot of time. Talking to particular corporate clients, what do you do? Um, what are you trying to say to your audience? Because again, I find that majority of people that want a headshot, the only people that really care about the headshot are potential clients.
Like your clients are not gonna go back and look at your headshot. My, my existing clients are not gonna go back and look at my headshot and go, oh. It's potential clients that have no clue who I am that come to my website or my social media for the very first time and see me and go, oh, okay, so your headshot is really about those people.
And you go, okay, what are you trying to say to those people? Are you trying to say, I'm smiley and happy, I'm a fun guy to go and have beers with? Or is it you're trying to say, I'm really, really good at what I do. Read my profile and book me, um, follow my call to action, which could be ring me, text me, visit my website, whatever it is.
So I have a lot of discussions around that. And getting your expression right for me is the most important thing. Uh, not necessarily smiley and happy. Um, 'cause if you're a lawyer. Are people looking for the smelliest and happiest lawyer? Uh, are they going through Instagram or LinkedIn, for example, and going, oh, I want, I want the Smelliest lawyer, or I want the prettiest, or the youngest or the best looking.
They're probably not. They're going, I want the lawyer that looks like they've got their shit together and they could be a really, really, really good lawyer. I dunno, that's just my take on it. Um, so. You know, I spend a lot of time chatting to people about, okay, what do you wanna say to your audience? Um, what, what is it that you're trying to get across to your audience?
Are you trying to say, I'm the best lawyer, or the best accountant, or the best model, or whatever it is. Uh, and that's just changing your face and changing your eyes and changing your mouth, uh, and being able to. There's only three things on your face that you can move that will change your expression, your mouth, your eyes, and your eyebrows.
And once you understand how to move those three things, you can pretty much make any expression you like. So I'm not
gonna bring it up, but what about people with Botox?
They're, they're tough. They become tough because, um, because it, it gets harder for them to change their expression and change their face.
Um, you know, I get a few of those, but, you know, that's okay. Like, they haven't, they often have a, a look. Um, and if that's their look, that's their look. Yeah. You know, so I'm not a, I, I'm not into big smiley smiles. Mm-hmm. Uh, primarily because, um, whenever some, whenever another human looks at a human. In a photograph and the studies have been done, this research all over the place, the first place they always look is the face.
Doesn't matter what they're wearing and what they're doing first place, they look as the face. So there's always a battle for attention between the eyes and the mouth. Now, if you are, if you are wanting to look confident and capable, then you want your audience, your potential clients, to go to your eyes first.
Not your mouth, because there's a different thought process they will have if they go to your eyes first. They'll often be thinking confident, capable if they go to your mouth first because you've got a big. Toothy smile, then they're gonna be thinking smiley and happy. So I go, well, depending on what you do will determine whether you want your audience to go to your mouth first or to your eyes first.
So
anyway. Oh my gosh. Now I'm just rethinking all those photos I have on social media with my massive smile. Exactly. Yeah. And because I do have a massive smile Exactly. Which I'm known for. And it can And it can work
for people. Yeah, exactly. And um. Uh, now I'm trying to think of the lady who, who we both know.
Um. Uh, we met her at px, I think. Mm-hmm. What's her name? She's known for a big smile. Social. She's a media, media person. Oh, you would know. I'm talking about, I'm not sure. Um, Alwin Old, old one. Oh, alwin old one. Yeah. Old and Oldy. Yep, yep, yep. She's been on the podcast. Yep. So she's known for a big smile and, oh, no, I have.
To have my big teeth and smiles and listen that that's her thing. And that's, yeah. Yeah, that's what she's go on for. But you know, again, if you are a, a lawyer or an accountant or a professional or, you know, whatever it is you do, we have those choices. Um, and, you know, I generally step people through that process and, and getting a genuine smile.
It's not just smile. Yeah. It's a, it's my, my toughest gig with every single client is working out. What am I gonna say to Chantelle to actually make her smile? Because what happens when you smile? Your face lights up. Yeah. Now, because often people are smiling because I've said something stupid. Um, and it's a real smile and it's thought based.
So what, eventually what happens is they've reacted to something I've said. They've had the big smile, but that thought that they've had eventually starts to fade away. What happens then is their face starts to relax. Back down through the smile as that thought fades away. So I go cha, chin, cha, chin, cha, chin, cha, chin.
So on my big screen, 'cause I shoot into a big screen in the studio, um, we have their range of smile. And then they can choose. Well, I don't like that one. Oh, oh, I love that one. And I'm a little bit into closed mouth smiles. 'cause I think they can get people here. You're still warm and approachable. Yeah.
But you've, you've still got that warmth about you. But you're looking confident and capable 'cause people are going here as well. So, I dunno, it's a bit of a bit of a thing to it.
No, I love it. There's so, so many good, so much insightful tips in there with, on, with regards to how do you actually smile and present yourself when it comes to photos?
I think with marketing, um, nowadays we need constant, constantly we need good images. Constantly good images is something that we need, um, across social media, across our website, and we need UpToDate ones as well. There's nothing worse than when you've got outdated photos, um, and you are using them on social media and you need to be using them all the time, like consistently.
We post, you know, maybe two to three times a day. And if we are gonna do that, we need different images, especially if, if it's part of your personal brand. So you need to have a good collection of good photos. Um, and I love what you said there about. Your personal brand, having to shine through, you know, how you actually wanna be perceived on the other side of that is so important.
You actually made me think back now to a presentation that I heard you speak about where I think you gave people five tips. It was, I, I think around what you spoke about earlier, the five tips to. To how do you actually smile in a photo? What to consider in a photo? Can you go over those five things with us?
So yeah, the, the five kind of standard techniques that I, that everybody uses whenever they come in. So first one is jawline. Mm-hmm. Nobody likes having five. Yep. So what do I do? What do I do? Stick it forward. You go out and down. Out and down. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the, the out gives you that distance. Yeah.
Yeah. Because cameras, for those of you watching on YouTube, has it worked? Cameras. Cameras can only see what they can see. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, and I always shoot at eye level or pretty much close to eye level. 'cause I, I'm not very tall, so I actually, I don't sit people down in my studio, but I perch them on a stool.
Because it brings their, their center of gravity down or their, their, yeah, center of gravity, I guess is the right word, without making them sort of stoop down and any of that sort of stuff. So shooting them at eye level, I get their jawline. That's why every single one of my photos, everyone's always got a nice jawline 'cause they're doing that.
The more chins you've got, the further out you go. It feels weird, but it looks really good. Um, and the reason it looks good is because cameras are two dimensional and they squash you so. So that, that's the first part. So the out and then you go down. Now the down does two things. The first thing it does, it gives you a little bit of humility.
Yeah. You see a lot of people with their chin up like that because they've been. Incorrectly informed that if you do that you get rid of your chin. Well you do, but then you look like a bit of a deer and
you look up your nose. Yeah.
And you, you look like a, like a snob or you're a bit on yourself or whatever it might be.
So you go out and you go down. So the down gives you a little bit of humility, makes sure a little bit humble. The second thing the down does anything you do have going on underneath hides it. Yep. So that's the first part, the second part of the eyes. So people looking at your headshot. Wanna feel like you are interested in them.
Yeah. So it's important that you don't be looking at them wide eye. Now I get a lot, a lot of women historically have been told it's about big eyes. You've gotta have big eyes. That's that's true In a, uh, a beauty portrait. Yeah. Or a modeling portrait. That might be right. But in a corporate headshot, you want to think, you want people to think that you're pretty solid, so you don't wanna be.
'cause otherwise you can look surprised and a bit out to lunch. Yeah. So you've, you've gotta have a little bit of a squint and, uh, it's actually in the industry, it's called a squinch, but it comes from underneath here. And it's just a little bit, it's, it's like looking at, it's like being to the op optometrist.
Mm-hmm. It's going to the optometrist and getting to that bottom line and going, is that a P or a D? So your, again, your audience wanna feel like. You are interested in them. It's about showing interest. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's all about the eyes. Yep. So then the third part is the mouth, and that's that level of smile that we talked about before.
Where are getting that level of smile is right and it's looking like a real smile because I don't, I don't, I never say the word smile in a session, just wouldn't say it. Uh, if I want you to smile, I'm gonna say something stupid and funny. Mm. And like I said, that's often my hardest thing. My lights are all set to go.
When somebody walks in, it's like, okay, different personalities. Oh, what the hell am I gonna say to this guy to actually make him smile. Yeah. So, and some people are easy. I, I have people that, uh, smile too much. Yeah. Yeah. And it's then I'll say, Ugh, I've gotta get a bit serious now. Sort of get 'em to, that'll be me.
Turn the smile down. Yeah. Um, and then the last two things are turning and tilting turnings about symmetry. Mm-hmm. The golden ratio. And where is somebody's face and where do I turn them to balance up their, their golden ratio. And then the last one is a little bit of a tilt in getting their, their neck right.
Uh, depending on which way they're turning. Um, 'cause people have a side. Mm. Um, and they have one eye bigger than the other generally. And they often smile out one side of their mouth first. So, 'cause you smile outta the right side of your mm-hmm. Mouth first. So for me, that's your more approachable side.
Okay. Whereas your
left eye's a little bit bigger than your right eye, so that would be your stronger side. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So depending on, you know, what sort of an attitude you want it to have for your potential clients will determine whether you go this way a little bit or this way a little bit. Yeah. So that, those types of things are things that I look at.
Hair part's an important thing, uh, again, particularly for women. Men as well, but women tend to have generally longer hair. Um, and they'll part their hair on their favorite side of their face. And what they're doing often is saying, look at me from this angle, 'cause it looks better. So, um, working at determining, you know, where's your hair part?
Okay, that might be the side that you like better. Some people do it consciously and some people. That, that haven't thought about really. Okay. They dunno this stuff. So teach 'em a little bit about their face and I have three goals out of any session. First one is to give them good images. That's. People come to before.
Mm. The second one is hopefully provide a good experience because they come in and they have fun, they get good images and they, they learn some stuff. Um, they're gonna tell their friends when they post the images, they go, who did that? We get that. Yeah. Uh, the guy yeah's, this guy in the headshot, guys go and see him.
And then the last one, I wanna give people a little bit of skill. Yeah. So that anytime anybody sticks a camera in their face, they've got a little bit of an idea about what to do. Yeah. 'cause most people got no clue. The, the most education they've ever had in being photographed is often their parents going, smile, smile, bigger, bigger smile.
Yeah. And that's it. That's all they get. So they're not aware of, you know, these, these techniques and these concepts that, that. I sort of use on a daily basis, so,
oh no, I love so much in that I've got a huge network of friends, so we'll bring shout out to my friends. Um, and my, my really close friends, whenever we go out and we do stuff and they're from all walks of life.
Many of them don't actually have a personal brand or their own business. Um, they're all successful, but in. Either got jobs or other sort of fields. Um, and whenever it comes to taking photos of me, um, for example, I went to my daughter's wedding recently, and I, I hide this beautiful, um, accommodation and I said to my best friend, you came with me.
I said to her, okay, I want you to take some photos. And she goes, oh no, you're gonna be telling me how to take photos again. Because I'm like, yep. And she goes, you want me to stand like this? You want me like, so, so I will actually, because I've now got so much more experience in taking photos. It's like, this is what you do.
In order to take a good photo. Yep. But also, this is how I need to stand. This is what I need to do because I'm, I've been photographed for so long now, like I, it's become a, it's become a thing, right? Yep. So whenever I go out, we're always like, who's the best photographer out of everyone? I get to take photos of me and my friends.
Um, and then I've always, always got them asking me, how do I stand Chantelle? And I love it when someone corrects me and says. Rather than just go there and just snap away, say to me, could you just stand a little bit to the left? Could you stand a little bit to the right? Could you straighten your head?
Often I tilt my head a little bit. I'm like, could you just tell me? I'll just talk.
Most, most people do. Yeah. Yeah. I'll just tilt my head
like, just tilt your head. Just, just go like this and I'll do it. Yeah. You know? Um, so it really annoys me. But I remember that one of the first photo shoots that I ever did, because a little bit about me, I used to be massively overweight up until my twenties.
Um, until I, you know, got into health and fitness and changed my life around, um, and up at SCH in, when I was in school, everyone used to call me fatty. Boom boom. And I hated photos being taken of me. 'cause I always looked fat, overweight, and I just didn't like it at all. Um, my self-confidence obviously, and my self-worth was not great either.
A lot better now. Um, but. So when I got into the fitness industry and I had to have my first like, photo shoots and I needed to get images done, um, there was a photographer, her name was she, Sharon Ellis. I don't think she does it anymore, but she was great. She worked with me so well and she, like you said, she taught me what to do.
She said, stand like this and put your, that's why I knew about the chin forward. Yep. You know, put your chin forward and go and, and tilt to the side. I can tell you at the end of shooting, I was so sore for somebody who does a lot of exercise. Yeah. You, you would think I would not be stiff, but I was stiff in every part of my body.
But those images looked amazing. Yep, yep. You know? Absolutely amazing.
Do you find people don't, um, market themselves effectively enough because they don't have enough? Imagery of themselves and they go, oh, do I really, do I have to get a headshot? Do I have to get photos of myself?
Yeah. Look, I'm to, to tell you the truth, a lot of people, I think it comes down to self-esteem and self-worth.
Yep, yep,
yep. Um, the ones that I'm dealing with, and I know I'm going through it right now, I wanna have a photo shoot, but I'm two and a half kgs more than I I wanna be right now. Yep. Dealing, I'm dealing with a perimenopausal thing at the moment, and I had a parasite from when I came back from the Philippines.
That has drastically affected my health since January. So self worth's a huge thing. So I always go, I'll wait, I'll wait until I've lost that two and a half kgs. So my, my other thing,
the other thing that I have to deal with, and I, and I, I get this a lot, is that people come into the studio and they go, oh, I want to do a half body shot or a threequarter length shot.
And my first question is why? And they sort of look at me like, uh, you know. I, I believe, and this is my opinion, that unless you're a, a model, an actor or a fitness trainer, why do you need body shots? What, why do you have, why do you have to have half body or threequarter length
now? Well, just for your dating profile, yes, you would.
Okay. I understand that. Okay. Dating profile aside, very important, dating profile aside. Um, but yeah, I, I just think there's, there's no need. For it because people, if you are a corporate, um, people wanna see this, they're not interested in your suit or your body shape or any of those types of things. Now, I, I shoot, you know, companies, lawyers full of lawyers often, or accountants the same thing.
Yeah.
And their marketing team, who are all beautiful, young, slim. You know, 20 something women. Um, and all of a sudden these professional lawyers, not all of them, but some of them haven't got the best body shapes because they're lawyers and they do what they do. All of a sudden they, they all come in, they all hate the idea, oh, I gotta get this three.
I can't, I just photograph you from here to here because I can make you look so good. Whereas from here to here, it's hard to hide. Yeah. That the body shape stuff.
Well, that's great. There's, uh, there's a really good, a good point over there. So if you are a little bit more self-conscious, maybe start with just getting a headshot.
Yep. Um, just start with that. Um, I'll give you my little trick and my tip to improving my self-confidence and my self-worth. It's two things. Number one, I became perfectly clear on the purpose that I have in this world and how I wanna help people. And that's more important than my ego. And that's one thing that I consistently work on going how I look, um, is not as important as the difference I can make in someone's life.
So it's not about me, it's about someone else. So that is something, it's an ongoing process, something that I work on. My second part in order to do to to get more confident was to just take pictures of myself and put it up online. And I made a rule that I would just take a selfie every single day of myself without makeup.
'cause I don't generally, I don't like to get dressed up all the time. I'm very much still into my active and healthy and. I'll put a little bit of makeup on for this, um, because also look drained in the, in the images. And when I do awards or I speak on stage,
should I worn a bit of makeup
on? I wear a little bit of makeup, but generally I'm not that type of person.
I'm, I'm kind of like more sort of a natural kind of girl. But I, again, I just, when it's not about that, it's about the impact that I can make in someone's life. So for me, it was around, I'm just gonna get into the habit of taking a photo, a selfie every single day and putting it up. And in fact. Not that you are gonna be able to see it, those that are, that are listening to, um, the podcast or watching on YouTube.
But even today, I did a selfie of me walking around the lake, all sweaty, walking around the lake, just did a selfie and put it up because it helps me to go to put it out there and just go, I don't care. It's not about that. It's about the impact that I can make in people's lives. So, whilst of course, I've gotta have my nice photos.
And definitely, you know, when I do awards and I'm in the media and I'm speaking, I'm MCing, um, for all those things, a hundred percent I need to have my nice images. But for the rest of it I go, you know what, the day to day is absolutely fine, and it's not about me. It's about the impact I can make in people's lives.
Yep.
So I'm, and that's how I, that's how I've built my self-confidence.
Taught yourself as well.
I taught myself. Yep. If, like you said, um, you know, there's, at the end of the day, uh, well it's the same as the marketing people go and they try and do their own marketing. You don't have the knowledge, all the skills to be able to, um, to do marketing.
I have marketing people come to me who've studied marketing and they use our marketing services. On my website, I've got the marketing strategist, other marketing agencies use for their strategy, implementation, and coaching. And that's a true fact. And the reason is, is because they so embedded in it, they how to do it right?
So instead it's a case of if. If you are gonna need to get photos taken, one of two things. Either learn to do it yourself or work with someone like yourself who's going to be there. And give a crap about it and actually help you through the process of getting a good photo. Yep. You know, and trust the process and,
and you, perfect.
You talked about purpose and that's, um, I guess when you hone in on your purpose, doesn't matter what you do, what sort of business or industry you're in, you've gotta understand, hey, what's your purpose? And that's one of the first questions I ask people when they come in. What's the purpose behind these photos?
What are you trying to say? Are you trying to look happy and smile? Are you trying to look confident and capable? Or, you know, who's your audience? What are you trying to say to them? What's your purpose? My purpose is to make you look really, really good. Exactly the way you wanna look for your audience.
What's your purpose? And I surprised the amount of people go, uh, I, uh, I don't know who's your audience. Um, understanding also, I think that. People that use, um, all of the social media, as I'm sure you do, um, the people that will view their stuff on Facebook are gonna be very different to the people that view it from LinkedIn and very different, again, to those that go to Instagram, find that generally the marketplace is quite loyal to their particular social medium.
Um. Not like me. I use everything and because that's what I do, that's, I have to, um, but most people, oh, they use Facebook or they use Instagram, or they use TikTok or they use LinkedIn depending on what they do and their, their, their spot. Um, but you could have a different headshot for every single one of those different mediums because you have a different expression.
It's a different vibe, different age group, different demographic. Oh,
how exciting. That's that, that, that gets me excited straight away because I always say. Um, respect the platform that you're on and respect the audience on that platform. So important. Um, well thank you so much for joining us today. Um, so could you let our, let our listeners know, how can they connect with you?
Because you, obviously, you're a photographer and you service the Gold Coast and Brisbane, um, but also on demand across Australia or anywhere really. Sure. Um, so could you let people know how they can connect with you?
Uh, well the best places, the headshot guys, the website they, the headshot guys with an s.com au.
Um, that's the best place to go. Um, social media. Facebook, I'm across all of those, the headshot guys. You'll always find me. Um. Yeah, that's probably the best.
Awesome. So you can go and stalk his profile and, uh, that's it. And have a look. That's it. Go and stalk and see how he's made magic out of people.
That's it. That's it. And if you need some photos done, obviously consider working with a pro like Brad. Thanks, Chantel. Um, you have watched or listened to another episode of the Meaningful Marketing Podcast. I'm your host, Chantell ti. If you haven't already, please make sure that you subscribe and you turn on the notification button or comment below or leave us a review.
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