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Where triathlon meets real talk. Hosted by two seasoned triathletes and one Sarah, this podcast takes a deep dive into the controversies, challenges, and triumphs of the triathlete world.
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Lockie
Already, start to get annoying, isn't it? Yeah.
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Lleyton
Yeah. I don't know why you had to stop. Yeah, I know.
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Lockie
Welcome back, everyone, to, the unfunded podcast episode 2626.
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Lleyton
Yeah, I know. Well, well, actually, it's done six in a row.
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Lockie
I know every week. I know that's that that was, that's big achievement. Even when Sarah was producing, was struggling to string together six in a row. There is a couple of headaches, in the podcast studio this morning, so we might actually have to keep it down. I assuming that's why you didn't like me yelling. Jason.
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Lockie
Yeah. You had a you had a really big weekend. You had a big weekend. Yeah. How are you feeling now?
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Lleyton
I'm feeling I'm feeling good now.
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Lockie
Are you sure?
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Lleyton
Yeah. I'm on 100%. Yeah, it was big. No, we don't need the. Take some. Oh, I've got some. No, no, no, I mean, when.
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Lockie
I messaged, I messaged you because again, we'll get into this a bit later, but we had some pretty big news on the weekend. Some pretty exciting things happened. The, the, the, our podcast count, you know, gained quite a.
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Lleyton
Little bit of traction, a bit of.
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Lockie
Traction. And I was very excited. I was texting late and I was like, this is really cool. Like sending him some screenshots and whatnot.
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Lleyton
I said, I'm at a wedding. I'm very pissed. I'll see you.
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Lockie
I'll tell you exactly what.
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Lleyton
No, we don't need to hear what you.
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Lockie
Said, bro. I'm so fucked. I am so I've had so much to drink. All of a sudden.
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Lleyton
You're telling me that's it? That's it. That's all we need. Those. You told me to tell Stella that I love her. Oh, great.
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Lockie
Okay, cool. Just to let you know, Stella, Stella's your girlfriend. Stella is your girlfriend, not my girlfriend.
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Lleyton
At that time, she was looking after me. After my head was over the toilet, so. Oh, no, it was, It was a big weekend. Well, yeah, I got to. So we, had a wedding. And congrats to em and Zion. They got married and, well, I feel as if I didn't wait all day. Yeah, it's the wedding carried away with.
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Lleyton
The wedding started, and then food didn't really come out until, you know, six, 7:00. By that stage, the bathtub was flowing, and I took advantage of it.
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Lockie
Triathletes, when not, we don't go out every weekend. No. So we're not trained professionals.
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Lleyton
And some of these guys.
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Lockie
Are trained professionals.
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Lleyton
That's trained professionals as 24 year olds.
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Lockie
Yeah. So for us we're on we're on the back foot here. We shrunk. We have a couple beers.
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Lleyton
And it's on it. Was it was tipsy. Too many JK lagers. Yeah. But yeah. No it's good fun though. That's true. It wasn't.
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Lockie
All that. We had fun. All righty. To officially kick off the show, as always, I'm professional triathlete Lockie Jones.
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Lleyton
I'm professional triathlete. Light and fuck.
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Lockie
Yes you professional display.
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Lleyton
And we are the unfunded podcast.
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Lockie
We are the unfunded podcast. And we would again like to just give a shout out to our sponsors at official Be Like Light and said he had a few too many JK Lucas on the weekends. That's becoming a bit of a theme actually with this podcast. Yeah, I think we've said that nearly every week. Yeah. But yeah, thank you very much.
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Lockie
Go support the guys and support us. Go get them at, any good bottle shop like light and likes to say, yeah, I'm just stealing your catchphrases.
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Lleyton
No, because I don't know where they're actually stocked.
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Lockie
A good bottle shops.
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Lleyton
Good bottle shops.
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Lockie
And our fridges. Yeah, there's plenty in the bloody basement down here. And, Yeah, plenty in the fridge. Man, I'm happy you had a good weekend, though.
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Lleyton
How is yours?
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Lockie
Not. Not as big as yours.
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Lleyton
I was.
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Lockie
I was I was a bit more sensible with the beers, I guess. I had a, I had a, a friend's birthday, so I was, I was at as well had a bit of a, you know, celebration weekend, but, I didn't get I was at home by 8:00.
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Lleyton
Oh. That's good. Yeah, I'm glad I.
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Lockie
Was at home. Footy finals again. So I watched a couple footy. Footy games. That was. Yeah. That's always exciting. But yeah, I'm just getting ready for, this weekend.
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Lleyton
But you don't have a team in the grand final.
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Lockie
Yeah, but I'll. I'll still go. There's something else to celebrate.
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Lleyton
What is there.
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Lockie
Is something else is weekend to celebrate?
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Lleyton
Apparently. Is your birthday on the run? And she's.
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Lleyton
Well, it.
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Lockie
Since you forgot, I thought I'd put it on the right so you can remember. It's my birthday this week.
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Lleyton
When is it? It's on Friday. Oh, okay, I know.
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Lockie
Oh, it's when this. When this gets.
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Lleyton
Released. Happy birthday for Friday.
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Lockie
Lucky. Thank you very much.
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Lleyton
What are you flying down?
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Lockie
I'm flying to Melbourne on the on the 25th. So this Thursday.
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Lleyton
Oh, okay.
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Lockie
I doing it. Yeah. Thursday to Sunday. Nice. Yeah. So just a little little getaway with the girlfriend. I haven't actually been in Australia for my birthday. I think for almost three years now. Well, so this is the first time, I think, since 20, 20, 21 that I've actually been in Australia for my birthday. It's just so annoying.
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Lockie
Like, I think the year before last year, we were in Qatar. Yeah. You were there for my birthday. Oh, you might have just left.
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Lleyton
No, I just left.
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Lockie
Yeah. Okay. So I don't cry, but, I mean, I was in the UK for my birthday the year before that I was in Barcelona and the year before that I was in Portugal. So I just it's terrible. But yeah, it's good to be home and, Yeah. I can't wait to actually. Yeah, yeah. Just have a nice, nice weekend away.
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Lleyton
That's very good.
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Lockie
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, into the world triathlon. Yep. Another since to be recorded. I don't know what's going on with the travel mode at the moment.
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Lleyton
It's a blowing up. It's actually all happening. Since the podcast back, I've thought we need some content to talk about.
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Lockie
Yeah, we we almost like can't keep up with it I think because we record on the Tuesday and then for some reason, yeah, everything happens Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It's a I can't talk about this until next week. Well this one we don't really want to talk about too much. Okay. I think we want to kind of like this has happened and.
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Lleyton
We'll mentioning we'll.
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Lockie
Mention it. It's the whole world situation. We had the shoe saga that that was one thing. And then all of a sudden the bottle cage incidents come out. Now, since we last spoken again, it is another breaking of the rules.
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Lleyton
Yeah, I don't really get the whole bottle cage thing. It's like obviously technicalities in where they can be. I think it's kind of like going back and forth between obviously other podcasts and himself. That's where it's kind of like stemming from at this point.
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Lockie
I think it's a it's a oh, the obviously it's between like pro try and use of made very public statements about.
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Lleyton
What he's doing, what.
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Lockie
He was doing. And I, I understand I completely understand their side of things because as the two of us can agree as athletes ourselves.
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Lleyton
You want to keep it fair and equitable.
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Lockie
Fair, fair game. Like what? Professional athletes are racing for a living. This is a career. This is a this is everything to us. So that has to be.
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Lleyton
Fair on and.
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Lockie
Fairness amongst athletes. And I completely understand. I'm also just getting to the I'm sort of getting to the point now where it's like,
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Lleyton
I'm almost.
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Lockie
Yeah, I'm, I'm just sick of talking about it. And so the race on the weekend, the T100 in Spain, you went and won that. Yeah. Racers were legal blocks. That was legal. Yeah. I'm all supportive of you.
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Lleyton
Yeah, 100%. And he was dominant.
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Lockie
I'm all supportive of you. Then if you're if you're, you know, doing everything. Yeah. Right and correct and legal and it's, good for you. Happy for you. Yeah. But it's when you cross that line of, you know. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Yeah, it is shady stuff.
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Lockie
Operating in that gray area. I don't I don't respect that. And I don't respect that you're able to go and compete and be happy and content to take a win, knowing that you are operating in a gray area. I don't respect that as an athlete, no athlete, athlete. I don't respect that. And the age and this is my this is the one last thing I'll say unless you want to add more.
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Lockie
A lot of age groupies and a lot of fans and they jump to a heightened defense, ask any professional athlete the standing on the start line with him. None of them will agree with you. Yeah. Not a single professional athlete that is standing on the start line with high and wide will sit there and say, oh, not like he's all good.
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Lockie
Yeah, yeah, you're right. He would have won even even if this choose the league and even none of them will agree with you. Fair is fair. They're operating within the rules. The rules, the regulations. So should he. Yeah. When he does and he wins.
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Lleyton
All good credit where credit is due because he absolutely dominated.
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Lockie
Yeah 100%. He's a he's a phenomenal athlete. So just do the right thing and just stop trying to operate in that great area. Like you're good you're good enough athlete. Just do the right thing and don't tarnish your already very good reputation.
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Lleyton
Yeah. I wasn't I feel as if he's played into a bit, I think a bit of media drama. Yeah. I don't, I don't really care about it. And, no, I'm just glad.
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Lockie
I could talk him out almost feels weird. On the new, pro tour. On you? Yeah.
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Lleyton
That was.
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Lockie
Big. They love us.
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Lleyton
They love us. Oh, me. Biggest fans.
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Lockie
I know it was a while before, but now our biggest fans approach you.
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Lleyton
We're coming for you. I actually, stalked pro trying use this, Instagram after they followed us because I didn't. I didn't follow them anymore. Oh, okay. No, no. Like, personally, I hadn't looked at it. Right. But. And then I looked at, the triathlon l yeah. Jake Kelly's and they both have in their bio. I'm sorry guys, I know you're big fans of our podcast number one podcast in triathlon, but they can't be two of them.
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Lleyton
They play. Yes, they both have that. Yes, they both have number one hashtag one triathlon podcast.
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Lockie
Well, you know what we have to do now?
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Lleyton
I think we do. We I think we have to put number one podcast, triathlon podcast in our bio. It's only one way.
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Lockie
If they've both done it because I've seen it in Pro. Try and use this podcast.
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Lleyton
I'll probably try and use I'll get up Jack Kelly's trial for an hour and 100%. I haven't, I have.
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Lockie
I haven't stalked, I have installed Jack Kelly's trough on our but I have obviously. Yeah. Hashtag one podcast. Yeah. In triathlon that's on pro try and use.
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Lleyton
The triathlon out the hashtag number one podcast in triathlon.
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Lockie
I'm going to go into our count right now. Hashtag number one.
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Lleyton
John one and Aziz. Yeah. But two triathletes.
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Lockie
You know what I like ours better because we're we're.
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Lleyton
Actually real.
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Lockie
About it. We're real about it. Live raw and on.
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Lleyton
Number three podcast now, number one.
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Lockie
I'm going to put in that number one. Yeah. And so I'm going to put a real about this later on. And then everyone's going to our bio and say that.
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Lleyton
Yeah.
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Lockie
Okay. Approach on news and triathlon.
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Lleyton
Now you guys got to sort that out because we are number one.
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Lockie
Well all you have to or let's I think the only honorable thing we have to do is we race for it.
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Lleyton
Oh. Oh.
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Lockie
I think we strap on the boots.
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Lleyton
I think me, I.
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Lockie
Think electric guys, we have to race for it.
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Lleyton
Okay, but then what about, yellow and orange?
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Lockie
If they not, they're not in it.
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Lleyton
Yeah. They're not allowed because they go sit in studio. Real podcast. Realistically.
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Lockie
They probably number one. Oh, no. I was dusting off iron in the pole this morning, so. Oh. We'll see about.
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Lleyton
That. Next in the news, we obviously had a bit of racing. We did, do watches T100 Spain. I watched a little bit of it because it was in a no no. All right.
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Lockie
Tom's on. Yeah, we kind of just just crept in.
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Lleyton
Yeah. So Hayden dominant. Yeah. Yellow in second.
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Lockie
Little bit. I was kind of, I mean, I was kind of hoping there was going to be a bit more to the line.
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Lleyton
Yeah, yeah. Yellow did crash. He said in his post-race interview. He crash, which is you know, impressive to still come.
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Lockie
Right. Obviously that is such a to anybody that has been in an A race and you know, you've crashed before. It is such a momentum killer. Yeah. All of it literally is obviously. But to then try and put yourself back up and continue and to run 18km when you're racing the best guys in the world, in the world it's not.
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Lockie
Yeah, especially Hayden World when Hayden was there, he's pissed off and he's angry and he wants to.
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Lleyton
Show yeah everyone how good he is. Yeah, yeah.
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Lockie
So yeah. But credit to credit. Yeah. But I would love to have saying. Yeah.
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Lleyton
I think the best performance in the men's side of things was the only Schomburg off the back of Iron Man. Six days before was.
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Lockie
Seventh, seventh.
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Lleyton
In or was he seventh, seventh or eighth? No. Nick Thompson seventh. Yeah, I think he was eighth or sixth.
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Lockie
Yeah. It was either side of Nick. Yeah. Either way, top ten in the world. Yeah. It's like you said six days before. Oh, no. Impressive.
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Lleyton
And he held on to that run, which I thought was really good.
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Lockie
Almost like a bit of a sprint finish.
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Lleyton
We didn't pick him that race. No, I think we both thought about him. Yeah, but we didn't pick him because we like, he's got an iron man in his legs. I don't I think he's just there to, you know, make up the numbers. He's in Europe will race. Yeah.
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Lockie
But if he was fresh I would have thought about it. I still yeah, I still would have thought about him and Sam Dickinson I think Sam Dickinson was fifth. So like he still had a great race. And Carl Smith like you beat him to be third probably would have been some around that area.
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Lleyton
Got that penalty.
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Lockie
If he didn't have that silly penalty. But yeah, Jonah Schoenberg, honestly, I think I think is, for me, in my head, when I look at Jonah Schoenberg, he's similar to a Matt Houser, just an anaerobic bass. He's powerful, he's fast. You almost give him an offseason of just very aerobic, base level stuff to right to try and race that longer distances there.
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Lockie
He's always just very optimized at the moment. I almost think he's similar to Houser and not not trying to diss their, you know, training philosophies in the past and whatnot, but potentially tapped into the right sort of. Yeah, training routine or training, programing. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, put him on and put him on a world triathlon circuit right now, and I think he might kill.
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Lleyton
Yeah.
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Lockie
Like, he's naturally fast and powerful, and he's optimized now, so, you know, he could go you could come back next year and do something you could do. You never know. Never. You never know.
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Lleyton
In the women's, it was pretty much a race of two. Yeah a whole day that.
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Lockie
Was cool to.
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Lleyton
Watch them. Lucy Charles Barkley and Kate Wolfe to Brit. There's an old Brit podium, actually. Yes. Jess LeMond. And yeah, those two were too good. Yeah. They just swim off to the front. Shows how important that swim is.
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Lockie
It is now. Yeah, it's it's like. It is like we said, even in the course of World Triathlon, it's still. Yeah. The importance of the swim bike is so strong. It is so important.
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Lleyton
This year, especially in all women's racing. It's kind of been a swim split. Who are the most dominant swimmers then? They are the quickest runners as well, which is. And the best role is. So yeah it's okay to be a good good swimmer.
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Lockie
And like we said I think we're going to we like to do like a little athlete mentioned every week. Athlete of the week. Yeah. Jess a month.
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Lleyton
Jess Lemont.
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Lockie
She's going to be our official BJC log, athlete of the week. I think coming back from she's, she's a new mother. Yeah. For those that I ran away.
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Lleyton
Last 12 months.
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Lockie
Yeah, yeah. So she's, she's a mother. So I think obviously we, obviously we're not speaking from experience. I don't know about you, but I've never popped out a kid. That is a very, very difficult process to come back from in terms of. Yeah, your body changing the toll of the body and trying to get back to, you know, you, at such, such a optimize level as an athlete before to then go through a nine month pregnancy and then, you know.
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Lleyton
The recovery.
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Lockie
Your recovery after and, you know, literally raising a newborn child to try to come back to a professional level of racing is. So I can only imagine how difficult that would be. And she's not only just returned, she's returned and jumped on a party.
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Lleyton
Yeah, exactly right. I think, she said in a post-race interview or pre-race. She was like, oh, I've been up all night with the newborn. Like, that's kind of crazy.
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Lockie
Yeah, yeah, it's cold here. And for those who, know Jess or don't know Jess, I've done very little with her. She was swimming out of Miami, for one of the Gold Coast, preseason camps that the Brits have done. And honestly, one of the most down to earth women you will ever meet. She's got, like, almost.
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Lockie
We were we were speaking about it, without Jess later on in the pod. Has that personality outside of triathlon like, is of just funny that English banter, you know, takes it seriously, but then outside not too seriously. So just one of the one of the best humans, sort of in the sport that you'll that you'll meet.
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Lockie
So. Yeah. Jess. Lamont, congratulations again. You probably not listening, but you are our official beer athlete of the week.
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Lleyton
Nice. On another little side topic, Alex. Yeah? He's just announced that he's going to run Valencia marathon. So he's doing two this year. Has he given triathlon? Just the wife. He's going, you know what, maybe he's raced. How many times is it. Twice. Super League and so World Series.
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Lockie
I mean he won Super League and he got ninth in the World Series again.
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Lleyton
But has he gone mentally? Don't you know I want something new is maybe I don't know, more of, you know, incentive to go run marathons. He ran really well at that London Marathon.
00;17;21;16 - 00;17;37;12
Lockie
Obviously, his goal was to go a sub 210, I believe sub 210. And he just missed that. He ran a 211 something. So, maybe the Valencia. I mean, I can only I don't know, I know Valencia is I don't know the marathon course is like.
00;17;37;12 - 00;17;39;03
Lleyton
I'm fast say fast.
00;17;39;03 - 00;17;58;14
Lockie
That's I'm, I'm assuming that because of the Valencia World Cup triathlon and I know that is flat and fast, so maybe he's just going, okay, this is a very optimal circuit for me to go and run a sub 210 potentially. So maybe this is a year where he's going. I've just come off a year where I am Olympic champion, I'm world champion.
00;17;58;16 - 00;18;19;26
Lockie
I've cleaned up in the sport of triathlon. I've proven I'm the best in the world. I'm going to go give this marathon stuff a crack where he might. He's he's realistically, he's not near the top 1% or sorry, he's not near the top runners in the world. He's very, very obviously, if you're going for a top, sub two hour ten.
00;18;19;27 - 00;18;27;01
Lockie
Yeah. You are an incredible runner. Yeah. But it's a, it's a, it's, an achievement that not I can't think of.
00;18;27;01 - 00;18;28;24
Lleyton
Any any other triathlete.
00;18;28;24 - 00;18;37;01
Lockie
Has been able to go run a sub 210 marathon. So it just proves that he's running. He's on another level. Another level. So, you never know.
00;18;37;07 - 00;18;41;01
Lleyton
I just hope we don't lose him to not running. Yeah.
00;18;41;03 - 00;18;42;17
Lockie
Like, I don't think so.
00;18;42;20 - 00;18;47;04
Lleyton
We kind of lost Christian short course racing to the Iron Man.
00;18;47;06 - 00;18;48;19
Lockie
I can't say Christian coming back.
00;18;48;19 - 00;19;06;15
Lleyton
No, he never will. I mean, yeah, yeah, he's done his thing in Iron Man. I just don't. Yeah. Don't want to say Alex lose to two early marathons. Yeah. He's still got another another Olympics in him. I think you'll be able to like, reclaim like three Olympic medals. I think at the Olympics he'll be.
00;19;06;15 - 00;19;13;10
Lockie
I'm I think I'm kind of guessing his age. He be about 32, 31, 31 Alex when he goes.
00;19;13;10 - 00;19;15;13
Lleyton
To when he goes to.
00;19;15;15 - 00;19;16;11
Lockie
No, he's not now.
00;19;16;16 - 00;19;18;07
Lleyton
Thanks, guys. High five. No no no no no.
00;19;18;09 - 00;19;35;27
Lockie
I'm sorry. I'm still looks like a kid in 2028. He'll be around 3132. So. So like Matt has I had wild and like let's let's like not kid ourselves here. Like that's not too old. Not like by any means. We had Vincent Louis trying for the French team, probably the most dominant team in the games. And I think Vince was 34.
00;19;35;28 - 00;19;52;05
Lockie
Yeah. 35. We had, Pierre ae he got fourth and he's 31, 32 so by no means I is too old at that age. So yeah, I, I would be sad to see him go him go, but I'll be.
00;19;52;08 - 00;19;58;05
Lleyton
I'll be interested to see what he can run at this Valencia marathon. Yeah. I mean, we'll keep our eye on that.
00;19;58;05 - 00;20;00;15
Lockie
Eyes peeled. When is it?
00;20;00;18 - 00;20;06;00
Lleyton
End of this year. Okay. Probably in December, I'm guessing a quick December.
00;20;06;00 - 00;20;11;26
Lockie
Yeah. Okay. He'll do a little block leading into that. Well, I mean, you know, that means you're fucked for the overall World Series.
00;20;11;26 - 00;20;14;20
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah. That's, disappointing.
00;20;14;20 - 00;20;17;18
Lockie
You've lost that one avenue.
00;20;17;20 - 00;20;18;06
Lleyton
Oh, that's.
00;20;18;06 - 00;20;22;11
Lockie
Still a peak. That's. I mean, you've done is. Trust me, it's not your only silly pick you did.
00;20;22;11 - 00;20;27;09
Lleyton
This year, so it's all good. I've picked worst for why. Hi. This weekend.
00;20;27;12 - 00;20;37;02
Lockie
Here we go. Well, before we get into a bit of a high preview, we're about to announce we've got a pretty special guest today, so we'll get into that conversation now.
00;20;37;04 - 00;20;37;19
Lleyton
He's running.
00;20;37;19 - 00;20;54;18
Lockie
Facial. Here he is. All righty, guys, time for the big one. We are happy to announce we've got another guest. Where pumped to welcome today. Olympian, former Aussie triathlon star. And now the man behind Sally society, Ryan Fisher. How are we going to be fellow?
00;20;54;20 - 00;20;58;22
Lleyton
Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on.
00;20;58;24 - 00;21;02;09
Lockie
Has things been, your training? You said you train this morning.
00;21;02;12 - 00;21;15;05
Ryan
Matt. I went for a ride this morning. I wouldn't call it training. Yeah. Yeah, I went out for 90 minutes on the bike just up the valley. Yeah. Still try and stay fit, but it's, there's not as much structure or routine to it. I try and do something every day.
00;21;15;05 - 00;21;16;23
Lockie
Yeah, no, come back now.
00;21;16;25 - 00;21;18;04
Lleyton
I gotta, I gotta.
00;21;18;04 - 00;21;21;16
Ryan
I go to the gym a bit and go for some jogs and rides here and there, but.
00;21;21;16 - 00;21;25;06
Lockie
Yeah, right here. Rocks. Rocks as they come in isn't it. That's the.
00;21;25;09 - 00;21;26;06
Lleyton
Name.
00;21;26;08 - 00;21;28;02
Ryan
Nah, it's not for me. No, no.
00;21;28;02 - 00;21;35;03
Lockie
No, I don't know. For though for those out there fishes made multiple comments to me about, how we would take over the high rocks world. In the doubles.
00;21;35;11 - 00;21;38;23
Ryan
Yeah. That behind closed doors.
00;21;38;26 - 00;21;42;00
Lleyton
I wanted them, they were for the cameras. Bikes? Yeah.
00;21;42;02 - 00;22;08;29
Lockie
No, man, it's good to have you. And like, like, I mean, like. And I've said, I think, similar to Aaron, you're someone that was definitely in the in the limelight of Australian triathlon. Kind of when we were coming up as, as youth and junior triathlete. So, it's funny now how, you know, you think back to back then and we were, you know, all starry eyed looking at you representing Australia at the Olympics and, yeah, now we get, get to have you on the pod.
00;22;08;29 - 00;22;14;00
Lockie
So thank you very much for coming on. You're a legend in sort of.
00;22;14;03 - 00;22;15;04
Lleyton
Our the youngster.
00;22;15;08 - 00;22;16;03
Lockie
Yeah, yeah, the.
00;22;16;03 - 00;22;17;09
Lleyton
Golden era.
00;22;17;11 - 00;22;17;20
Lockie
Back.
00;22;17;20 - 00;22;34;18
Lleyton
It was the golden era is only just looking at, like, a couple of your results just then. And that was like the. I just forgot those, like the brownies and all that. I know we talked about that with our and and all that, but I was like, well the night I call it was, you know, you know, back in the day when we were looking at these young kids, it was like, cool.
00;22;34;23 - 00;22;38;05
Lleyton
It's cool for us if it isn't like that now for some reason, maybe.
00;22;38;05 - 00;22;54;04
Lockie
It's because we're a bit closer. Yeah. We're not that competitive. But yeah, I still look at those names that you guys are racing back then and it's like far out. You're amongst the greats. Like you guys are really amongst the greats of the sport back then. Is that how it vote for you like as an outsider now?
00;22;54;06 - 00;22;59;23
Ryan
I mean, I guess it's probably not too dissimilar to what you just said. Like, I think for me, growing up, I obviously had those people that I.
00;22;59;23 - 00;23;00;16
Lleyton
Saw.
00;23;00;18 - 00;23;07;26
Ryan
At the top that were at that time the big names. And then as I started racing, they were sort of, I guess, going into retirement, like. And that was like the Bevin Daugherty.
00;23;07;27 - 00;23;08;22
Lockie
Yeah.
00;23;08;24 - 00;23;24;08
Ryan
Chris Gamble type of, type of era. But yeah, like there was certainly a lot of, a lot of big names. When I was racing, like I was never one of them, obviously. But you know, you racing alongside these guys and seeing the names on the suits and you just get a little bit, I guess, starstruck by it.
00;23;24;08 - 00;23;35;23
Ryan
But, yeah, I mean, there's all this. Yeah, there's evolution to it. Right? There's new guys now that that, you know, without you guys realizing now even there'd be 14, 15 year old Aussie triathletes, I would know exactly who you guys are.
00;23;35;25 - 00;23;39;13
Lleyton
I mean, they can tell us. But, you know.
00;23;39;14 - 00;23;41;14
Ryan
Time I realized that you made that and then you just feel.
00;23;41;14 - 00;23;42;26
Lleyton
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;23;42;26 - 00;23;57;06
Lockie
Like, oh, you remember when I was doing this? Oh, yeah, I must be. I must be old now. Yeah. Nice. Oh, Matt. Well, we'll take it back to the, take you back to the early days. How ad did you get into the sport? What was the introduction like? Where'd you grow up?
00;23;57;08 - 00;24;13;15
Ryan
I grew up down the road in Brazil. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sort of. I guess, like a lot of Aussie kids grew up just swimming and, you know, school, cross country and school soccer, club rugby, a little bit of everything, really. There was no definitive I don't think there was many. And this I had this conversation with someone the other day.
00;24;13;15 - 00;24;30;07
Ryan
I feel like there was no there was no one that grew up then definitively thinking, I'm a triathlon. It was always, you're a swimmer or a runner or something, and then you just kind of transitioned or got introduced to the sport. And I was kind of no different. Yeah. Did all of that at school. And then a friend of mine at school, her mum was a triathlon coach.
00;24;30;09 - 00;24;49;03
Ryan
And she kind of offered for me to come along to some training sessions and did my first try when I was probably like 12 or whatnot. But I hide, I, I yeah, I certainly wasn't like, oh, I love this from the start. This is what I'm doing. And it wasn't really until I finished grade 12 that I really only just did triathlon.
00;24;49;05 - 00;24;51;19
Lleyton
Yeah, right. Were you a swimmer first.
00;24;51;21 - 00;25;03;26
Ryan
First off. Yeah, yeah. And then sort of got into cross-country and all of that. But again, it wasn't like, I didn't train for it. It's just because I played soccer and rugby and whatnot that you kind of just did it as an extracurricular activity.
00;25;03;26 - 00;25;06;03
Lleyton
Like I sometimes days off school. Yeah.
00;25;06;06 - 00;25;10;22
Lockie
I sometimes think that's that's the best way to go about it growing up.
00;25;10;22 - 00;25;12;08
Lleyton
Yeah. No, no no pressure on it.
00;25;12;08 - 00;25;30;10
Lockie
Yeah. Like you see some 14, 15 year olds these days that are like, you know, that parent's a drill in the $10,000 box. Yeah, it's a bit too much. I think sometimes you tend to lose this, lose the love for the sport because you're so passionate about it so early in. That can tend to fade in the, you know, the coming years when it gets, you know, well serious.
00;25;30;10 - 00;25;40;17
Lockie
Well, now this is serious. You know, you were taking it, you know, serious as a, as a 19, 20, 21 year old when you were 14, 15. So I think that's probably the best way to go about it.
00;25;40;17 - 00;25;53;23
Ryan
Yeah. I mean I don't yeah I don't disagree at all. I think it's, you know, that level of intensity on something you can only have for so long. So if that, if that starts out at 10 or 12 years, like you can have had a full career mentally anyway by the time you're 22. Yeah.
00;25;53;23 - 00;26;03;13
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah. So yeah. Where did you go from starting at I guess high school. Where did you go? How did it kind of upwards trajectory.
00;26;03;15 - 00;26;16;05
Ryan
Yeah, I sort of, I, I think I ran into Dan Atkin somewhere. And I knew one of the guys that he coached, and it kind of all started because I remember he had like an IQ, so that had his surname on the back of it. And I was like, oh, that's pretty cool.
00;26;16;10 - 00;26;17;13
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah.
00;26;17;13 - 00;26;25;06
Ryan
So know one of them. And he was like, oh, that's you know, at the time it was like, Jets program, which was like the junior elite triathlon squad.
00;26;25;08 - 00;26;26;21
Lockie
Well, that's that was ages ago.
00;26;26;22 - 00;26;29;15
Lleyton
Yeah, I'm pretty old. I remember hearing about.
00;26;29;17 - 00;26;47;15
Ryan
Yeah, but he was like, oh, it's, you know, you're in that sort of thing. And I went to these trials for it. And then off the back of that, it was like the runaway Bay Super Sprint weekend. And that was like a Youth Olympics. Yeah. So that was the trial event for that. So, yeah, I got the cert on time with my name on it and then went to Runaway by.
00;26;47;15 - 00;26;59;18
Ryan
And then I made Youth Olympics that year. And that was with Aaron Royle and Sam Olsen and a couple of those guys. And then yeah, I think off the back of that I got a scholarship and it kind of just snowballed.
00;26;59;18 - 00;27;04;29
Lleyton
Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Wasn't the you thought Penrith. Oh no.
00;27;05;01 - 00;27;09;25
Lockie
I'd say, you know the ones I previously around like I know obviously international Argentina Canyon.
00;27;10;02 - 00;27;12;10
Lleyton
Penrith. Was it all the.
00;27;12;13 - 00;27;13;03
Ryan
Way went Western.
00;27;13;03 - 00;27;23;02
Lleyton
Sydney. Oh disappointed like I mean you would've been stuck at this. Yeah. Olympics but then like, oh I could have been over in Europe or if I.
00;27;23;03 - 00;27;24;15
Lockie
Penrith never got.
00;27;24;17 - 00;27;26;14
Lleyton
That's exactly right.
00;27;26;17 - 00;27;35;03
Ryan
But I mean, that was a cool experience. Like, Jonny Brownlee was there. And I think that was one of the things where he wasn't known yet, but everyone was like, oh, his brother.
00;27;35;06 - 00;27;35;11
Lleyton
Is.
00;27;35;11 - 00;27;41;14
Ryan
Alister okay? And that's just a little brother off. And he hadn't really. Yeah, I guess come to what? He couldn't design.
00;27;41;16 - 00;27;45;12
Lleyton
Christian around then, did he? Christian Youth Olympics?
00;27;45;12 - 00;27;49;06
Ryan
He did. Yeah. I think he's a couple of years younger than me. Oh, okay.
00;27;49;08 - 00;27;51;01
Lockie
He's surprisingly young, even though he looks.
00;27;51;01 - 00;27;56;21
Lleyton
Yeah, he looks like 35. Yeah, but it looks like. Yeah.
00;27;56;24 - 00;28;13;11
Ryan
But yeah. So that was a cool experience. I mean, I didn't do any. Well, I think runaway Bay was my first ever draft. Lego racing. Yeah. And then obviously that's made up of all the SuperSprint sort of races and the formats. And then the Youth Olympics was the first standalone, like, I guess ITU star race.
00;28;13;16 - 00;28;13;29
Lleyton
Yeah, right.
00;28;14;01 - 00;28;14;24
Lockie
That was your first one.
00;28;14;24 - 00;28;17;04
Ryan
Yeah. And I got absolutely belted. I think I came last or.
00;28;17;04 - 00;28;17;21
Lockie
Second on.
00;28;17;21 - 00;28;18;25
Lleyton
The GS, but.
00;28;18;25 - 00;28;31;16
Lockie
I'd been the first one. That's pretty cool. Yeah that's, that's, that's a big jump into a serious race early on. Like I feel like that shows just natural talent to be able to get to that point without being in the, you know, doing the sport for a very long time.
00;28;31;16 - 00;28;49;20
Ryan
So yeah, I think yeah, I it certainly I guess, ignited something in me and I guess was my first real experience of high performance triathlon and what it was and everything else. And from there I kind of off the back of that I went into, I guess, training properly. Yeah. With a real sort of not identity of triathlon.
00;28;49;20 - 00;28;54;10
Ryan
But this is like I said, yeah, this is something I could do or I guess at least say where this goes.
00;28;54;10 - 00;28;59;29
Lleyton
Who did you go train with? Then you mentioned Dan. Yeah I was with I. Yeah. Oh two Dan Yeah.
00;28;59;29 - 00;29;02;16
Ryan
I was with Dan at the time. Then
00;29;02;19 - 00;29;09;14
Lockie
Because then we, we were speaking about this before I went. I don't remember ever seeing you like with the Gong Wizards or like, or.
00;29;09;14 - 00;29;10;29
Lleyton
Going over to like a Philly all.
00;29;10;29 - 00;29;25;18
Lockie
Yeah. Philly all the like one of those like magic squads. I remember you been with Dan for the sort of last little bit of your career, but you were never really you were a bit of a solo solo warrior. Like, just get the Dan yourself with or maybe a a coach on the side. Right. And programs like.
00;29;25;18 - 00;29;42;17
Ryan
Yeah, I mean like I had Dan through that period. And then I think the next year I went to Junior Worlds. Given I mean, it's so long ago now, but yeah, I had Dan for a couple of years, and he was he was probably the one who then made me fall in love with triathlon. Like, we just had a good group.
00;29;42;17 - 00;29;49;19
Ryan
And his personality, I guess, I think really suited what I had. And he still allowed me to be me, I guess.
00;29;49;19 - 00;29;50;26
Lockie
And he's very good with that.
00;29;50;28 - 00;30;07;13
Ryan
Yeah. And at that time, you know, like, all my mates, like, none of them did triathlon or anything like that. I still very much so had my own side of things. And then I had triathlon. It wasn't all. Yeah, intertwined. And then Dan actually got a scholarship coaching role with the AIS, and he sort of setting alongside Shaun Stevens.
00;30;07;13 - 00;30;13;26
Ryan
Yeah. He was the head coach at the time of, the Australian Institute of Sport and were based in Saint Lucia in Brisbane.
00;30;13;29 - 00;30;14;08
Lleyton
And.
00;30;14;08 - 00;30;17;28
Ryan
Oh, okay. And Sean's obviously the high performance director of Australian triathlon. Yeah.
00;30;18;00 - 00;30;31;15
Lockie
It's cool seeing how it's done though. Oh yeah. Almost a full rotation of where everything sits now again. Yeah. You know, however many years and like we said, like triathlon was probably at its peak in Australia at that time. So I mean.
00;30;31;15 - 00;30;33;23
Lleyton
It's coming back around slowly surely.
00;30;33;24 - 00;30;34;10
Lockie
Hopefully.
00;30;34;10 - 00;30;51;29
Ryan
Yeah. But yeah. So I went I went there and that was a squad that I guess really changed it for me because, you know, Ash Gentle was there and Josh and Badger and Annabel Oxford and he was, you know, and Charlotte obviously coach Courtney Atkinson and all sorts of people. So it was a real I guess it felt quite serious in that sense.
00;30;51;29 - 00;31;02;03
Ryan
But at the same time, Sean and I always got on really well. And yeah, he was good for me and I'd grown up idolizing how I would and telling this now that I was a big fan of Josh and but I just, I training.
00;31;02;04 - 00;31;02;18
Lleyton
Alongside.
00;31;02;18 - 00;31;09;08
Ryan
Him. I was, I guess, that kid that sort of looked at him like, you know, that's Josh and Jerry and that that really helped me, I think at the time, too.
00;31;09;08 - 00;31;32;03
Lockie
And I think he's a good, good person to sort of look to in terms of if you want to have that balance, balance of a personality outside of just trough on, not not making trough and your personality, but, you know, still being able to have fun. Yeah. Alongside the serious nature of training and racing at a professional level and because I if anybody knows Josh, just have a look at his Instagram like he's, he's a bit of a nutcase inside.
00;31;32;03 - 00;31;49;23
Lockie
Yeah. Yeah. So to be able to hold that personality on the I remember he was a he was a black mechanic for for the Queensland team for one year. We went to Penrith and so technically staff and he was running around with the like head clippers trying to shave like the 18 year old boy. He's like, hey I like just just yeah.
00;31;49;24 - 00;31;51;24
Lockie
Still one of the boys basically.
00;31;51;24 - 00;31;52;03
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;31;52;04 - 00;32;13;06
Ryan
Josh Josh is one of one for sure. Yeah. And I think that's something that I've always respected about him so much as, like, he's got his unique character, but he's never once been persuaded by trends or what's what anyone else wants or expects. Josh is Josh and he's, you know, he's never wavered from that. And yeah, he was definitely a person that I sort of yeah, I guess aspired to follow in the footsteps of.
00;32;13;06 - 00;32;14;23
Ryan
So training alongside him really helped.
00;32;14;23 - 00;32;22;24
Lockie
Yeah. Cool. I think especially triathlon can very much be like, a boxed environment like this is, this is the mode you have to be.
00;32;22;24 - 00;32;33;22
Lleyton
So rigorous in. Yeah. Eat, sleep, train, repeat. Yeah. You know, have a bit of fun doing whatever or be yourself. It's it's a bit of a square. Yeah. Square kind of sport, isn't it? Real? Real clean. Boring.
00;32;33;22 - 00;32;47;08
Lockie
Yeah, it's very boring. I feel like aussie's definitely like, the ones that break the probably Kiwis as well, that maybe break that mold a little bit and, you know, like we're always the first ones to the after party where if, you know, we're also the last ones to leave, but.
00;32;47;11 - 00;32;47;22
Lleyton
We'll do.
00;32;47;22 - 00;32;51;25
Lockie
Anything. Yeah, we definitely break that mold a little bit. So you've got.
00;32;51;25 - 00;32;53;03
Lleyton
To have fun on the journey.
00;32;53;06 - 00;32;57;17
Lockie
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Maybe we'll try. Carry on. Josh Amberg. Josh and Birgit, like you.
00;32;57;17 - 00;32;58;23
Lleyton
Said, you.
00;32;58;26 - 00;33;01;05
Lockie
Carry on what he was doing.
00;33;01;07 - 00;33;18;19
Lleyton
Not so well, I guess. After, you know, Eugenia years. What was kind of next? Like, where did you go from there? Anything big that kind of broke out or, on your way to the Olympics? Because that's obviously. Oh, I don't know, but is that probably one of your peaks of the Creative Olympics? Yeah.
00;33;18;19 - 00;33;34;11
Ryan
From like a, I guess like a standalone accolade point of view. It was, I ended up leaving Sean a couple of years after, he got a job with team Sky, so he he moved, he moved to Monaco and. Yeah, started coaching there. So we kind.
00;33;34;11 - 00;33;36;18
Lleyton
Of. Yeah.
00;33;36;21 - 00;33;57;05
Ryan
And I sort of started self coaching then, I didn't really, like I said, like I didn't join the Wizards or anything like that, and I kind of and that's where I saw, I guess I had no disagreements with Austrian Triathlon, but I didn't fit the mold, I guess, of probably what was expected, of a categorize athlete, which was to, you know, be under a certain coach and have someone to answer to and whatnot.
00;33;57;07 - 00;34;01;23
Lockie
Was that like the big your big issue with Australian triathlon at the time or.
00;34;01;23 - 00;34;21;11
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, it was the only real thing that I had. And, you know, looking back, I guess I understand it from a, you know, they're putting money into you. They want to secure their investment or I feel like it's being given its best chance. And I sort of had Courtney Atkinson, who became like a bit of a mentor, because when I was younger and overseas and stuff, I should be his training partner, I guess.
00;34;21;11 - 00;34;39;27
Ryan
Or his whipping boy. And he was another sort of somebody that I really looked up to. And I think that was also because he did a lot of his own sort of thing. Like, he, you know, he wouldn't try and after me die because that was family time. Oh, wow. And and thinking back, he was probably only like 30 at the time, so like, not that at all.
00;34;40;00 - 00;34;47;09
Lockie
One of the greatest we've ever had. Like, looking back for me and like the greats of the sport, he's probably one of the best in his era. Yeah, at the time.
00;34;47;09 - 00;35;04;05
Ryan
So and so talented. Yeah. Like such a natural, a natural athlete. So yeah. And then I sort of. Yeah, a few bits and pieces, like I sort of jumped in and, and I think for those that trained with me or anyone that was around me that I sort of, you know, I was a guy that would quit and retire six times a season.
00;35;04;05 - 00;35;05;14
Ryan
Yeah. I do.
00;35;05;17 - 00;35;07;06
Lockie
I think I do remember if you ever time apart.
00;35;07;08 - 00;35;08;03
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah.
00;35;08;05 - 00;35;26;29
Ryan
I I'd certainly had a love hate relationship with triathlon, to be honest, most of my career, and I think a lot of it came down to it wasn't my whole life. So, you know, and you guys know first hand it's such a demanding sport that's, you know, it's so intense in terms of, you know, just the number of hours you try and that it does then limit what you can do outside and everything else.
00;35;26;29 - 00;35;42;27
Ryan
And I think at times that sort of pulled me and I guess different directions as to what I really wanted, out of it. So yeah, that was you know, I was only thinking about this the other day, like there was probably only a handful of times I would have trained more than four months straight without having some form of.
00;35;42;29 - 00;35;44;00
Lockie
Yeah sun.
00;35;44;03 - 00;35;46;13
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah, sabbatical like I.
00;35;46;13 - 00;35;48;13
Ryan
Did you know, thinking back likes.
00;35;48;15 - 00;35;50;14
Lockie
You mean. Well, you could be like.
00;35;50;16 - 00;35;51;20
Lleyton
No, no.
00;35;51;22 - 00;36;02;29
Ryan
Mode. Just thinking. Yeah, just the level. I don't know whether it's maturity or or what it was. And maybe that's where, you know, I did need an environment more so to keep me straight, narrow with.
00;36;02;29 - 00;36;10;06
Lockie
Aspirations outside of the sport. Is that why you were having those little glimpses of not wanting to do it? I was there's other things you wanted to do.
00;36;10;06 - 00;36;13;11
Ryan
Well, I mean, I always wanted to go to cycling when I was younger. That was.
00;36;13;11 - 00;36;14;13
Lockie
Something that young cyclist.
00;36;14;14 - 00;36;40;18
Ryan
That always, I guess, like, yeah, something that I had a underlying passion for. Yeah. Or something like that. But I ended up I did have, yeah, some time off and then I ended up moving down to Melbourne. And I joined Danielle Stefano, which at the time we had a great, we had a really good squad and that was kind of, I think what I needed because it was a group of guys that, you know, had Declan Wilson, Joel type and what Marcel walking to and Matt Baker like, yeah, you know a handful of guys.
00;36;40;18 - 00;36;51;12
Ryan
And they were a group too that had a lot of fun outside of just training. And it was a bit of a not larrikin type squad, but everyone was train well. But it was. Yeah, that was a bit of something else to it. Yeah.
00;36;51;15 - 00;36;56;28
Lockie
Kind of like when when like the training starts it's business. And then outside of that, you know, human.
00;36;56;28 - 00;36;58;05
Ryan
Yeah. We had a lot of fun. Yeah.
00;36;58;07 - 00;36;59;09
Lleyton
00;36;59;12 - 00;37;13;00
Ryan
And yeah. So I really enjoyed that. And that's kind of what got me, I guess back. Yeah. Back on the straight, narrow, fit and a lot of motivation there. And I sort of went back into training because I think before that I had about four months where I didn't do anything.
00;37;13;04 - 00;37;14;07
Lockie
Well, you was a.
00;37;14;10 - 00;37;32;09
Ryan
That was 2314. Right. 2014, 2015. And then, yeah, I went back with Danielle and I won a few World Cups and sort of started racing from a French team again and really, I guess got back into it. And then yeah, at the end of that, I sort of made the decision that Sean was no longer coaching the cycling anymore.
00;37;32;09 - 00;37;56;13
Ryan
He was back in Australia. But he was working for the Kiwis, I think at the time of the AIS, in a non coaching role. And I sort of spoke to him and asked him if he'd consider coaching me again because I, you know, I guess I had my mind set on the Olympics. And he was someone that I'd done well with in the past and as a coach just had so much respect for and, you know, with someone that I guess he, he was almost one of the only people that could have told me anything.
00;37;56;13 - 00;38;11;10
Ryan
And I believe it. I've just had a lot of faith and trust and and he was a little bit hesitant at the start because he'd never done, I guess, like remote coaching. But he was like, you know, having coached in the past and, you know, knowing your personality and how you work and everything else, like, let's do it sort of thing.
00;38;11;13 - 00;38;19;21
Lockie
I mean, and he's also just come off working with one of my successful cycling teams in the world. So, I mean, he's just riddled with knowledge.
00;38;19;21 - 00;38;40;09
Ryan
Yeah. And. Yeah. And and he really did like, he'd, he'd learned like he'd evolved. Yeah. Tenfold. Even more when he left triathlon with what he'd learned in cycling. And that obviously helped as well in terms of my confidence. And although I didn't have a squad knowing that I had him in my corner, it didn't really affect me too much because I was very much, you know, the same thing with, retiring multiple times a year.
00;38;40;10 - 00;38;54;15
Ryan
I was very much what I wanted in my head was what I went after. Yeah, I guess I didn't feel as though I needed people to train with, and, yeah, I was I would be pretty disciplined when I had him in my corner and that sort of. Yeah. LED up to the Olympics.
00;38;54;15 - 00;38;57;12
Lockie
Were you back on the go to Brisbane at that point?
00;38;57;15 - 00;39;04;25
Ryan
I was in Brisbane, yeah. So I swam with the swim squad and yeah, had Shaun coaching me for writing and running and had put it all together.
00;39;04;27 - 00;39;17;09
Lleyton
Do you think that's key to have like coach athlete relationship where you can just, you know who it is you comfortable. Do you think that really helped you a lot more than anything? Or do you think it was like just being training?
00;39;17;11 - 00;39;20;27
Lockie
Yeah. Just being with some of the force to be with essentially.
00;39;20;29 - 00;39;26;12
Lleyton
Do you think the training was special or do you think the more the coach relationship was the thing that was?
00;39;26;12 - 00;39;31;19
Ryan
That's a good question. I mean, certainly there's a mixture of both, right.
00;39;31;19 - 00;39;33;26
Lleyton
Like, obviously you have to put in the work. Yeah.
00;39;33;27 - 00;39;52;14
Ryan
But at the same time, I think you no matter how good a program is, if you can't buy into it, it's like rehab or something like that. If you can't 100% buy into it, you can have the best program in the world and it's not going to work. Yeah. And then vice versa, or I think you can have a program that's not necessarily, you know, perfectly optimized to you.
00;39;52;14 - 00;40;10;06
Ryan
But I think if you 100% buy into it and do everything, you're still going to give yourself a pretty good chance. Yeah. And I think we're showing I kind of had that the buy in side of it. And he knew he knew me really well, like thinking, you know, back to training peaks and stuff. Like he could tell when I, when I wasn't mentally there or whatever else.
00;40;10;06 - 00;40;29;21
Ryan
And he would literally put in, go to the beach, have the day off. Yeah. And he'd have other days where, you know, you'd be like, I don't care how you feel. Like we just got to get this done today. And I think because I at such a mutual respect in that way that I knew that he understood me, that when I sort of got the responses from him that I wasn't looking for it, it just never it never bothered me.
00;40;29;21 - 00;40;45;29
Ryan
I was still able to go, okay, he's that's what he said. Let's let's do it. Yeah. So yeah, so certainly a mixture. But yeah, I think you have to have the coach athlete relationship and you know, it's a bit of tongue, but I think Hauser and Dan are a perfect example of that. You know there's they're almost best mates.
00;40;45;29 - 00;40;49;01
Ryan
Yeah. And you know it's obviously working well for them.
00;40;49;04 - 00;41;09;15
Lockie
I say that to anybody who, you know questions hasn't like, you know, any coaching environment. Truly I think it was around the, Joe Philly all time when. Yeah. He didn't want to. He was one of the only guys that just said, I'm not going. I'm not going to, Joe. Even though it's, the meant to be the highest, you know, training squad in Australia.
00;41;09;15 - 00;41;25;09
Lockie
And I kind of said that was like, nobody knows. How's it better than Dan? Yeah, they have the coach athlete relationship and even just their friendship is like, Dan knows exactly what to do with. Yeah. And how to get him to race at his best. Yeah. Yeah. Like yeah.
00;41;25;09 - 00;41;33;21
Lleyton
You know the character is more than just, you know, training performance I guess it's outside stresses and all that, that add up. Yeah.
00;41;33;21 - 00;41;47;04
Lockie
To be putting putting Hauser in a in a high stress environment might not be the best thing for him. Yeah. So having someone like Dan who understands that like. Yeah, you're right. It's more than just who you are as an athlete to you as a person.
00;41;47;04 - 00;42;04;02
Ryan
Yeah, I think that's it. Like, you know, anyone can whiteboard coach, you can put the best sessions out there, but if you can't coach a personality, it's. Yeah, it's no different. You know, with whether you yell at an athlete to get the best out of them. And for some athletes, that works. And for another athlete, that'll just shut them off completely and do get the complete opposite result.
00;42;04;02 - 00;42;09;12
Ryan
So it's yeah, you definitely have to know know who you're dealing with and have that level of respect.
00;42;09;12 - 00;42;41;11
Lockie
No that's cool. Yeah. That that's cool. So how was that leading into Rio. So like obviously like you said like that was probably as far as you know, achievements on paper the big one because I think I remember I remember watching I'm not sure if it was the year or if it was one of the races that, added up to you making the team, but that Gold Coast World Series where you went off the front on the bike because I remember I somehow snuck into, like the camera area and I think this is what I was going through, my photography, my, my photo.
00;42;41;13 - 00;42;44;29
Lleyton
Tips at that time, probably I was, I was following cause, I.
00;42;44;29 - 00;43;00;18
Lockie
Remember following car, I walked around like a lost dog because he was the cool kid back in the days. I like Gus. Still is cool. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I saved up all my pennies to get a camera, and, Yeah, I remember. I remember watching you come around the corner and you had this insane breakaway, and I'm pretty sure we looked at.
00;43;00;18 - 00;43;01;25
Lockie
I think you got fifth in that.
00;43;01;26 - 00;43;08;19
Lleyton
Yeah, we had that here. We had a little stalk of. Yeah, we'll try. And there was a fifth was the year before the year of the Olympics. Yeah.
00;43;08;19 - 00;43;25;14
Lockie
So it was that was that kind of in the lead up. Yeah. To Rio. And is that that was part of it. I mean like we said you were a phenomenal cyclist. Was that kind of your strategy behind like trying to get to the team in that way or how did that play? I think I was getting to Rio.
00;43;25;16 - 00;43;49;01
Ryan
Yeah, I think the year before. So I'd, I'd had had another hiatus and had to. Yeah. And had to, I guess, like prove myself again. So I had I'll still categorize but I was like tentatively. Yeah. Categorized. Which, I mean, it's fair enough. I probably would have kicked me off. But yeah, I think I got told I had to podium at a World Cup.
00;43;49;03 - 00;43;56;12
Ryan
If I wanted a chance to get a World Series start the next year. And I think there was two World Cups left of the year. I can't remember which one it was.
00;43;56;16 - 00;44;00;06
Lleyton
We had you down in Chengdu. You won in 2015. Yeah.
00;44;00;06 - 00;44;12;28
Ryan
Okay. So that. No. Okay. So that was actually the year of. Yeah. So I got told I had to podium at a World Cup if I wanted a World Series stop, which I obviously needed that to make the Olympics. So I went to Chengdu. Yeah. And I won that, which was obviously a good start to the year.
00;44;12;28 - 00;44;20;11
Ryan
Yeah. And then I think we went to up and then basically that was I think Aaron had been pre-selected off the team.
00;44;20;14 - 00;44;21;27
Lockie
Yeah. No, no, that selection.
00;44;21;29 - 00;44;30;19
Ryan
So that was basically just myself, Bailey. Jake. And I think like that was the year Courtney sort of had to come back to try and make, oh.
00;44;30;19 - 00;44;38;09
Lockie
He wanted he wanted to. I remember hearing about that. He wanted his, newborn or like, you wanted to be around. Yeah. Yeah. Want to make an Olympics with these child? Yeah.
00;44;38;13 - 00;44;59;27
Ryan
So he had to come back. So it was sort of awesome. There was no, it was basically just. Yeah. That series to prove yourself. So after Chengdu I think like we went to Abu Dhabi, which was the first one of the year and I think I came 12th or something. And then the Gold Coast was the next one, which was first Australian in the top ten or top eight, sorry, was auto, and I finished fifth, but then Bailey finished fourth.
00;44;59;27 - 00;45;03;24
Lleyton
Fourth. Yeah, I just saw yeah, yeah. Feel so pissed off. So that was.
00;45;03;24 - 00;45;18;16
Ryan
Yeah. And it was like a, I guess a bit of suede because it was, like it was my best World Series today. And I think I ran really quite well there for my, for me, because we went on to like, I think, as you said, like we had a, there was a breakaway, that we got caught.
00;45;18;18 - 00;45;34;15
Ryan
So we all went onto the run together. So it was Jake and Bailey and Courtney and obviously Arron and the rest of the field as well. But you know, at that point you just kind of races within races when it comes to Olympic selection. So yeah, I guess it was way it was my best World Series race and I had to order.
00;45;34;15 - 00;45;38;10
Ryan
But then in terms of the top eight, but I wasn't the first Australian with Bailey.
00;45;38;12 - 00;45;39;17
Lockie
Someone and one of your mates too.
00;45;39;17 - 00;45;40;02
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;45;40;06 - 00;45;40;26
Ryan
And that's it. Yeah.
00;45;40;26 - 00;45;43;19
Lockie
Like I'm happy for him, but. Yeah. Pissed off that they nipped.
00;45;43;19 - 00;45;59;17
Ryan
Yeah, absolutely. But at the same time, it was one of those ones like it. It just gave me so much confidence. I think the year before, I don't even think I got to top 20 in a World Series. And then I had my hiatus and whatever else. So I think, yeah, from Abu, from winning Chengdu and then Abu Dhabi, the 13th, Gold Coast and fifth.
00;45;59;18 - 00;46;17;19
Ryan
I was like, okay, like whatever we're doing here is is working and we're going well. And then there was the last race, which was, Yokohama. And I can't remember what Jake came in Abu Dhabi, but obviously beat him on the Gold Coast. But then Yokohama, Jake came, I think eighth and I might have been like 10th or 12th or something.
00;46;17;19 - 00;46;19;07
Ryan
Okay.
00;46;19;10 - 00;46;30;15
Lockie
As it came down to the wire between you two, didn't I remember like, there was that sort of debate. Who should it have been? Yeah, sort of thing. Like Bailey was obviously doing pretty well at the time. Yeah. And.
00;46;30;15 - 00;46;44;09
Ryan
He got his order then at Gold Coast, he kind of took himself out of it for, Yeah. So then it was basically just between Jake and I, and then after Yokohama, I think that was the last World Series race before they were going to name the team. Was.
00;46;44;09 - 00;46;47;09
Lockie
That like a real anxious wait for you? Like, how was that?
00;46;47;09 - 00;47;03;22
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I think, yeah. I mean, it was one of those things to like, you know, as much as I had time off and wanted to do other things and came back to it, like the common thing was I still always came back to it, and I still I still loved it. And it was something that I'd always kind of wanted.
00;47;03;22 - 00;47;17;16
Ryan
And in my head, I always kind of said I wanted to make the games and then go to long Course. And that was my like, dream sort of thing. Yeah. But yeah, the way it obviously was and I think Justin Drew, because I obviously made the phone call and. Yeah, hold you to tell you whether you've made it or not.
00;47;17;16 - 00;47;34;26
Ryan
Made it, which, you know, I'd been on both ends of those calls before, so you kind of know, know what they feel like. And then, yeah, I think the first time I called, I was actually a slight. And then the second time he called, actually let it rang. It like, rang out because it was on my bedside table and had to stand out.
00;47;34;26 - 00;47;35;11
Ryan
And I was like.
00;47;35;11 - 00;47;35;26
Lockie
I can't.
00;47;35;26 - 00;47;37;27
Ryan
Okay, this is going to make my day or it's going to break.
00;47;37;27 - 00;47;39;09
Lleyton
But, yeah.
00;47;39;12 - 00;47;40;17
Ryan
And it the anxiety.
00;47;40;17 - 00;47;47;22
Lleyton
Yeah. The calls I'm training on a high. Yeah. Yeah. I've gone for good I permanent high.
00;47;47;24 - 00;48;05;13
Ryan
But yeah. And then. Yeah, obviously got the news and like, you know, that don't really give you much like that I it's a pretty 1015 second phone call. Oh. And then I called Sean after that, and yeah, he was obviously really happy for me. And whatnot. And I actually got a message from Jake. I couldn't remember if it was the day or for the next day.
00;48;05;16 - 00;48;08;18
Ryan
And I basically just said, like, congratulations. And.
00;48;08;18 - 00;48;11;16
Lleyton
Yeah, it's like, you know,
00;48;11;18 - 00;48;28;09
Ryan
But not hey, yeah, basically to say congratulations and how happy was for me and. Yeah, nice. Well, and, and all the rest of it and, and I've never had a huge amount to do with Jake because he was again, in kind of that younger era that was, you know, he hadn't become, I guess, the complete Jake Birtwhistle that he then went in to become.
00;48;28;12 - 00;48;32;00
Ryan
But yeah, that's how much respect for him when he sent me that, because, you know, it's.
00;48;32;00 - 00;48;33;01
Lockie
Not an easy thing to do. No.
00;48;33;02 - 00;48;42;22
Ryan
Knowing the emotions. And it's one of those things too, like you don't pick yourself so it's never another athlete's fault. But yeah, you know, it's still obviously, yeah, a dream of hers or anyone else's. So yeah.
00;48;42;26 - 00;48;50;21
Lockie
Sometimes it is hard to take the emotion out of it and like trying to realize that you are being pinned up against each other, but it's not the other person's fault.
00;48;50;23 - 00;48;51;07
Ryan
Not.
00;48;51;07 - 00;48;51;25
Lockie
The end of the day.
00;48;52;02 - 00;49;02;22
Ryan
Yeah, yeah. The same way if he got picked, you know, he didn't pick himself. Yeah. Yeah, that's someone else's thing. So, and yeah, that was kind of. Yeah. The start of the next, I guess, part of the Olympic campaign.
00;49;02;22 - 00;49;13;23
Lockie
Yeah. How was, like, obviously like, we'll, we'll skip the whole laid up, but like the, like the, the experience of being in a game. So I was Rio.
00;49;13;24 - 00;49;30;09
Lleyton
Rio was the villas right behind where it was big controversy and everything was getting built. And like in Brazil or whatever. And, you know, like stuff was crumbling down. And I remember hearing it that, oh no, they had the for villas out the back for them. They build multi-million dollar stadiums.
00;49;30;09 - 00;49;41;24
Lockie
And yeah, I remember hearing about all the robberies, I just remember was getting robbed. All the athletes would get robbed. I held at knifepoint and stuff like that. I was like, it sounded horrible. But then it also looked amazing. So yeah, it is bittersweet.
00;49;41;24 - 00;49;59;29
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, I think like a lot of games. Right. There's there's two sides to, there's the people that love it. Yeah. And there's the people that don't. And obviously in a country like that that has such a disparity. And it's funny because years later, I ended up living here on the Gold Coast with a guy who, was in the Brazilian hockey team, and they were training there for about six months earlier.
00;49;59;29 - 00;50;13;03
Ryan
And some of the background stuff that he was sort of telling me was pretty eye opening. But again, you're so oblivious to it, right? Like, you just turn up to this place and it it's set the way it is, and then you get on the plane and leave two weeks later and you kind of disregard it. But yeah.
00;50;13;05 - 00;50;31;13
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, it was a, it was a really cool place. Very different. Like I remember going out pre-race ride and, you know, you'd have an armored car with you, with a guy on the top holding the machine, but, you know, it's all I say. Overkill. But, you know, obviously there's reasons why they believe that need to do certain things.
00;50;31;13 - 00;50;49;03
Ryan
But yeah, you know, my experience was fine. It I never, never once felt in danger or anything like that. Like it was, yeah. We came in quite late. We've all flew in from Spain. The three of us. Yeah. Royal Bailey and myself. And we got there, I think, in like the second week. So most of the sports had had finished.
00;50;49;03 - 00;50;50;22
Lleyton
Oh, was it a second week?
00;50;50;24 - 00;50;54;19
Ryan
We were last week. We were four days before the closing ceremony. Oh right. Yeah.
00;50;54;26 - 00;51;01;07
Lockie
It's funny how the completely. Yeah. Flips every game. Oh. So I think all the ones I've like recently, I think the.
00;51;01;11 - 00;51;05;15
Lleyton
Tokyo and Paris were first two days. Yeah, yeah.
00;51;05;17 - 00;51;22;29
Ryan
Yeah. So we weren't even there. Like we stayed in Spain right up until the first. Yeah. I think we literally got in the end of week two. So it's kind of a mixed bag, like you're walking in and there's, you know, you have the people walking around hung over. There was water polo players in the gardens when we're walking in or on the night before, and we're walking in with our suitcases all fresh.
00;51;23;00 - 00;51;23;13
Lockie
Trying to get.
00;51;23;13 - 00;51;26;11
Lleyton
Ready and waiting for the Olympics. Yeah.
00;51;26;11 - 00;51;27;09
Lockie
Oh, wow.
00;51;27;12 - 00;51;41;19
Ryan
But we ended up. We only stayed in the village for the first. I can't remember now. Maybe two nights. And then we went to Copacabana because it was about 45, 50 minutes away. So it was just awesome, I think open water swimmers and beach volleyball and, yeah, a couple of sports that were based out there.
00;51;41;19 - 00;51;45;01
Ryan
And then after the event went back to the village and. Yeah.
00;51;45;04 - 00;52;11;21
Lockie
How were the, I guess, nerves, excitement like around like that because obviously there's no stage like the Olympics. Like, you know, it's the like we've said it multiple times. It's the it's the event that stops the world. It's, all eyes are on that. How is that in terms of pressure from back home or from yourself or like, how did you feel going into a race day?
00;52;11;23 - 00;52;31;18
Ryan
I think it was just probably more I mean, yeah, I guess a hybrid of excitement and, for sure. Probably didn't feel too super nervous until almost the day of. Yeah, I think it was a lot of excitement. It was just just a lot going on, to be honest, you know, and having gone now, I can certainly say the value or the advantage that you would have in going to a second games.
00;52;31;18 - 00;52;48;15
Ryan
Yeah. Because, you know, like we'd get told and everyone always talks about it, you know, you just kind of, you know, disregard all the hype and the whatever else and just, you know, I guess, zoned in on what it is. But, you know, when you're there for the first time and, you know, I, I was 24, I think I was and then Bailey and Royal are only a year older.
00;52;48;16 - 00;52;53;06
Ryan
So it's you know, it's hard you say that. But then as a 24 year old, you go in that's almost.
00;52;53;06 - 00;52;54;28
Lleyton
Like you forget. Yeah, I.
00;52;55;03 - 00;52;56;15
Lockie
I we're, we're 23, 24.
00;52;56;15 - 00;52;58;07
Lleyton
Yeah. There's no way.
00;52;58;07 - 00;53;00;15
Lockie
Yeah, yeah I'll be gone. And they wanted to do everything.
00;53;00;15 - 00;53;01;03
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah.
00;53;01;05 - 00;53;03;17
Lockie
I talk to everyone like every camera that's on me.
00;53;03;17 - 00;53;08;16
Lleyton
Like, oh, that doesn't sound like you. Yeah I know, give you the like.
00;53;08;18 - 00;53;25;03
Ryan
But yeah, I think a bit of a mixture. I ended up getting sick, though, about two days before the games. And then. Yeah. So I think that and I'd had a, you know, I'd had a history of being sick all the time, like I used to get sick every time I'd catch a plane or anything, like I was bad.
00;53;25;05 - 00;53;27;09
Lleyton
For the masks came in. Yeah.
00;53;27;11 - 00;53;53;08
Ryan
Before that was normalized. But. Yeah. So that, I think, threw a bit of a, probably more mentally than anything. Yeah. Because, I mean, at the same time, like, looking back, I'm pretty lucky because if the, if the race was probably 3 or 4 days later, like, I probably wouldn't have been able to race and, so but in saying that, I'm also under no illusion that, you know, it's a hyper subgenre of people that go to an Olympics and go, oh, this had the race that I wanted type of thing.
00;53;53;08 - 00;54;16;18
Ryan
You know, you got 60 people and three medals and there's no prize money, there's no top ten, there's no no one cares about any of that. So the percentage of people that go there and have the desired outcome that they want is so small. So yeah, you know, and I say I'm battling, you know, I was sick, but then, you know, I how however many other people standing on the start line nursing an injury because they push themselves to the limit, other people that are sick that, you know, you know, everyone's got their thing.
00;54;16;18 - 00;54;20;29
Ryan
So it's yeah, it's having that realization to that, you know. Yeah. It's not just you.
00;54;20;29 - 00;54;38;10
Lockie
I think I think Alex, Alex did, listening to one of his podcast. Alex. Yeah. Off to Tokyo, I think it was. And he said, it's when he crossed the line, he was obviously second, and he was. And he was elated at that. And you had, you know, Blumenfeld, they're like in tears because you just won the gold medal.
00;54;38;10 - 00;55;02;18
Lockie
Right. And world first bronze medal. And it was like it was very much a celebration. But then fourth, fifth, sixth and then it very quickly turns into devastation. Devastation like very quickly like because like you said, 60 people, three medals. So after the first over, three, four, five very quickly turns into disappointment because six, seven, eight, the just like they're good enough to be on the podium as well, but it just might not have been their day.
00;55;02;18 - 00;55;25;01
Lockie
So it's almost like the odds of you being in that little category. Yeah. Yeah, being being a light at the end of the races, it's super rare. And yeah, it's hard to then switch to. I should just I at the end of the day I'm, I'm an Olympian I've. Yeah. My I'm racing here like not a lot of people get to do that.
00;55;25;02 - 00;55;26;16
Lockie
Yeah. But it's hard to think about that.
00;55;26;22 - 00;55;45;05
Lleyton
Is it. Because it's obviously just so prestigious to get one of those medals? Like, I guess it can change your life forever. And that's why it's so much pressure. And I guess everyone goes in there thinking, I can get an Olympic medal. You're obviously good enough to be there. I can get a medal, surely. Like, if that is, isn't it will.
00;55;45;05 - 00;55;47;28
Lleyton
Then it's like, well, that's all the focus was, was a medal.
00;55;48;05 - 00;55;49;15
Lockie
Anything other than that's a failure?
00;55;49;15 - 00;55;53;05
Lleyton
Yeah, it's kind of disappeared trappy or whatever. Yeah.
00;55;53;07 - 00;56;11;11
Ryan
Yeah. And I think, you know, of course there's certain, outcomes that people would be happy with depending on, you know. Yeah, I think it's different too. And it's almost probably not even me to say that because not everyone's from this country that's well funded. And you have all this, you know, there's people that are also that journey to get there as probably, you know, well, you know, there's so many stories.
00;56;11;11 - 00;56;22;17
Ryan
You look at Eric the Eel and they say, you know, there's there's so many different, people from all sorts of walks of life, like, yeah, they got to walk through the village to see, you know, they call it the freak show. Like you get people that are seven foot.
00;56;22;17 - 00;56;23;16
Lleyton
Something so.
00;56;23;21 - 00;56;24;19
Ryan
Big and, you know, you get.
00;56;24;19 - 00;56;25;14
Lockie
The circus. Yeah.
00;56;25;14 - 00;56;45;11
Ryan
And everyone's from, you know, so. But yeah, you're right. Like, yeah, you get three medals and you know, there's a level of expectation and two and you know, there's so many different things that way into it. But I think to like, you know, I was definitely the person that felt sorry for myself for a while. But again, when you have that realization that, you know.
00;56;45;13 - 00;56;46;18
Lleyton
There's yeah, there's.
00;56;46;18 - 00;56;57;22
Ryan
So many other people too that would have had the same stories like, you know, you know, the only one there that had something that you think didn't go wrong. And at the end of the day, too, if that's if that's your biggest problem, like, you know, hey, we have a.
00;56;57;22 - 00;57;12;06
Lleyton
Problem, right? Yeah. Really. So you ended up 24th, which I think is pretty impressive, even just to make it there. I think 24 was great. We. So were you bit disappointed after that?
00;57;12;09 - 00;57;21;14
Ryan
Yeah I was, I was very down. Yeah. Probably not like instantly I was and then it probably subsided pretty quickly because you just in the village and you're going out and you.
00;57;21;17 - 00;57;23;15
Lockie
Get to that. Let's let's celebrate in.
00;57;23;15 - 00;57;36;14
Lleyton
Retrospect now though, I, I guess like proud of that. Proud of that or more proud of, I guess, like being Olympian in achieving something that most people haven't. Or is it still a bit like,
00;57;36;16 - 00;57;47;29
Ryan
Oh, I'm proud of, I guess what I did to get there, like, I'm proud that I was able to, I guess, come back and, you know, like leading up to it again because I trained by myself. Like, I felt like I was extremely dedicated.
00;57;47;29 - 00;57;49;25
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;57;49;27 - 00;58;04;10
Ryan
And not that that means I couldn't have joined a group and, you know, had to do that. But it's, you know, I was very proud of, I guess, to, Yeah. And I think the year earlier where I was, you know, I was coming 40th one race, then I get on a podium somewhere else, then I'd go Mia for four months and like, it was just so scattered.
00;58;04;10 - 00;58;26;04
Ryan
So I think, you know, I'm very glad that I stuck at it. Yeah. And I'm proud of, I guess, sticking at it and giving it one last proper go and going back with Sean and all the rest of it, like I, I'm. Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm proud of the result itself. In terms of like the finishing position, but at the same time, like, I just kind of you touched on like, you know, most people probably on unless you get a medal or whatnot.
00;58;26;04 - 00;58;35;18
Ryan
So, but yeah, I'm certainly proud of, of what it is and it's it. Yeah. It's one of those things I think looking back on now, I'm probably more proud of it now than I was after.
00;58;35;18 - 00;58;36;08
Lleyton
Or since.
00;58;36;08 - 00;58;36;21
Ryan
I was.
00;58;36;21 - 00;58;49;25
Lleyton
Very much a theme with anyone that goes to the Olympics. They're a little bit disappointed if they're not one, two, three. But then in retrospect, when they're, you know, a couple years older, they're like, oh, that's a pretty cool achievement.
00;58;49;27 - 00;59;07;19
Ryan
Yeah. And I think too, like at the time, a lot of the disappointment like you could. Yeah, I know speaking for myself that you can handle the disappointment for yourself, but it's more what you probably feel like you've let other people down on. And although no one, you know, everyone, I was always like, you know, you haven't let anyone down and they might be right like that.
00;59;07;19 - 00;59;22;18
Ryan
People might not feel like you actually let them down. I always think, yeah, I think that sort of feeling and, you know, like Sean, like I said, for example, like he wasn't coaching anymore. He had a wife and two kids at the time, on a wife and one kid, you know, and a full time job back in Australia.
00;59;22;18 - 00;59;37;24
Ryan
And he came over and based in Girona and was able to do whatever he did with his job, to keep working while he was away. And that was just for me. And then Ben Cooke, who's a guy in Brazil, it was a run. It sort of turned triathlete. He became a training partner that I was trying to help support.
00;59;37;24 - 00;59;53;18
Ryan
So I'd have someone, and then, yeah, he came overseas and training and stuff. So it was probably more the feeling of, I guess, letting down Sean, knowing what he'd done. And and, you know, a number of other things. But again, you know, that they obviously say that don't feel like that, and then they probably don't. Yeah.
00;59;53;20 - 01;00;02;06
Ryan
But I think it's more getting through that than dealing with it yourself. Like you can deal with it yourself. It's normally what you probably feel like you've done to other people.
01;00;02;08 - 01;00;02;27
Lleyton
Yeah.
01;00;03;00 - 01;00;35;06
Lockie
Yeah. And how was that like did that sort of carry on? Because like I think we've had this conversation before and it's not it's definitely not an unknown, feeling amongst Olympians. I think like they talk about it quite a lot. The post-Olympic depression sort of like that 3 to 6 months almost post the Olympics. It's almost, it's an incredible high or a sense of achievement or it's an incredible build up into this monumental sporting games.
01;00;35;06 - 01;00;56;15
Lockie
Like, it's like we say it all the time. It's the pinnacle of pinnacle of of sport. So how was that like, how did you did that disappointment just carry on for that 3 to 6 months? Like how did how did you kind of cope coming back home, coming back into a training environment kind of. Did you continue racing or was it another hiatus like was it was it your thoughts?
01;00;56;15 - 01;00;56;28
Lockie
Actually, it.
01;00;56;28 - 01;01;03;02
Lleyton
Was a big afterparty. And, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's what I want to know about. Yeah, yeah, we.
01;01;03;02 - 01;01;04;03
Ryan
Had some really good nights.
01;01;04;03 - 01;01;05;17
Lleyton
In rehab.
01;01;05;20 - 01;01;24;08
Ryan
And, yeah, that probably didn't help. Help my sickness because I, I went from the games back to Tucson in Arizona. Oh, yeah. And was living with Ben, kind of, basically, I was going to be staying there up until I think it was Cosmo World champs, and, but yeah, as I said earlier, like, I got sicker and sicker and pretty much from when I got there, I didn't.
01;01;24;09 - 01;01;47;22
Ryan
I don't think I trained for about the eight weeks I was there until I went home. Well, but I it was weird, like, I had, like, it was symptoms at the start, like a normal sort of cold and flu type symptoms. And then it just went into, like, extreme fatigue. Yeah. Like, I was actually talking to his housemate just last week and were joking about it because they had some stairs in their apartment that went down to a middle level, and then some more stairs down to where the kitchen living room was.
01;01;47;22 - 01;01;58;17
Ryan
And I remember walking down, I woke up one morning at 8 a.m. or whatever it was, walk down, and I just walked down this first flight of stairs and I was like, oh, I'm so tired. I was going to sit down. And then I woke up like 4.5 hours.
01;01;58;17 - 01;01;59;21
Lleyton
Later, I just, I.
01;01;59;21 - 01;02;11;15
Ryan
Sleep on the stairs and and that was like, that was honestly like the next day, a good probably 4 to 6 weeks. I was like that I, I'd go to the pool while Ben would swim and I'd sleep for two hours. He'd wake me up like it was.
01;02;11;17 - 01;02;12;04
Lleyton
It was.
01;02;12;07 - 01;02;17;26
Ryan
Not. I did blood tests and stuff over there. And then I mean, it's not it's not going to be expensive. So I kind of.
01;02;17;29 - 01;02;19;20
Lleyton
Yeah, true. American health care.
01;02;19;20 - 01;02;41;07
Ryan
Yeah. And then when I came back to Australia, like I did, like I, I pulled out of Cosmo World Champs, and then, yeah, I came home, I did blood tests and all the rest of it then, but I was kind of, I guess, past. Yeah, whatever it was. But yeah, to answer your question, like, I don't it's weird, I think, because I was just going through that, that kind of consumed me at the time.
01;02;41;07 - 01;02;59;24
Ryan
Like, I just, I wasn't even really thinking too much about, anything else. So it's probably more when I got back to Australia. Yeah. And I think then you kind of reset back into the reality of, what are you doing? What's next for you? Training. Like, what are you training for? And, I don't remember having a big slump.
01;02;59;26 - 01;03;16;22
Ryan
I guess like, it was again, like I said, it wasn't me so much. It was more how I felt that I let other people down. So I think I was okay. I was disappointed, of course, but at the same time, like, I, I did feel like I had the realization fairly early on that, you know, I don't really have anything to complain about.
01;03;16;22 - 01;03;30;04
Ryan
Yeah. And I didn't want to get stuck in that sort of cycle because, you know, I think sometimes too, the more you think about things like that, just, you know, you create a bigger problem. Yeah. So, yeah, I kind of got back into it. And that's kind of when I shifted into, into not drafting. Yeah.
01;03;30;04 - 01;03;45;10
Lockie
Because like you said, you wanted to do the do the, short course making Olympics. And then from there, yeah. Go along because I do, I do remember making like you made a, a pretty quick like, yeah, yeah. Switch into the, into the long course saying. Yeah. Probably before even the year ended. Like I feel like you would do it.
01;03;45;11 - 01;03;46;25
Ryan
Yeah I actually did Western Sydney seven.
01;03;46;26 - 01;03;48;26
Lockie
So I was that I remember Penrith. Yeah.
01;03;48;26 - 01;03;50;13
Lleyton
Yeah yeah yeah.
01;03;50;15 - 01;03;51;03
Ryan
I think I.
01;03;51;05 - 01;03;56;09
Lockie
I actually for some weird reason were you wearing a red cross suit. That might be a bit.
01;03;56;10 - 01;03;57;28
Ryan
Not that a clash.
01;03;58;00 - 01;04;02;10
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah. Look, I don't know what I had.
01;04;02;12 - 01;04;16;19
Ryan
To be honest. I remember wanting to do one, but I didn't want to do one that soon. But track at the time had give me a box for the games and I couldn't keep it. And now, like, if you do a half ironman a podium, you can keep the bike. So I did that and that was half the race.
01;04;16;19 - 01;04;20;04
Ryan
And I sort of. Yes, won quite soon. Yeah. Okay. I won't let you.
01;04;20;04 - 01;04;29;14
Lleyton
Keep your ball. I know what had to give it back. Serious. Yeah. So you don't have your Olympic one. No, no. Oh really. What what would they do with that bike?
01;04;29;16 - 01;04;33;15
Ryan
I probably should have sold it as a demo.
01;04;33;18 - 01;04;36;07
Lleyton
Was it but the custom paint job or anything else? Nah.
01;04;36;08 - 01;04;40;08
Ryan
It was. I don't know what it was a, like top of the range. No. So I still want to.
01;04;40;11 - 01;04;49;12
Lockie
Yeah. So I'd want to get everything I raised in the Olympics and like I put it on Marcel this, but like, it, put it up over. Right. This is my Olympic corner.
01;04;49;15 - 01;04;50;23
Lleyton
Yes. Right. Yeah, yeah.
01;04;50;28 - 01;04;52;10
Lockie
My shoes and my goggles.
01;04;52;15 - 01;04;55;11
Lleyton
Everything. Dirty race suit.
01;04;55;14 - 01;04;58;13
Lockie
Yeah. No. Not washed. Obviously not so good. The Rio.
01;04;58;15 - 01;05;03;04
Lleyton
Yeah. Yeah. Storage water. It. Oh. That's devastating.
01;05;03;04 - 01;05;14;17
Ryan
But yeah. So that kind of forced the, the faster I guess turnaround to that because I could get a Taytay bike and I was like, you know, if I podium, I can keep it. That'll set me up then for next year and I'm good to go. Yeah. So I did the I was in Sydney that year and then.
01;05;14;17 - 01;05;26;15
Ryan
Yeah went into halves. And then I moved to the coast and Sean kept going and. Yeah. And then I became a bit of a let down, I guess, like, I didn't, I never loved long course the way I thought I'd love it or.
01;05;26;15 - 01;05;29;01
Lockie
It became, oh, yeah, I'm a let down. Yeah.
01;05;29;02 - 01;05;32;19
Ryan
I mean, not the sport itself, but like the way I felt about it, like I was always.
01;05;32;19 - 01;05;34;16
Lockie
So that's what I did.
01;05;34;18 - 01;05;46;15
Ryan
Yeah. Like I wanted to try this, you know, Kona Dream and the rest of it. And once I started, I just never yeah. I don't know what it like. Yeah. I think it was it to train more. Yeah. Maybe too many hiatus.
01;05;46;17 - 01;05;47;24
Lleyton
Yeah.
01;05;47;26 - 01;06;13;19
Ryan
No, I think it was just the I probably didn't feel the same level of, adrenaline or intensity around the whole environment. I think that's something that maybe I didn't realize at the time, but I was drawn to with the short, short course racing and the excitement factor and that. And yeah, when I went to it, I yeah, it was a little bit like and I vividly remember thinking like I was almost a no it not annoyed but you know that sort of like, you know I thought I was going to love this so much.
01;06;13;19 - 01;06;15;24
Ryan
And it just it's not giving me the.
01;06;15;24 - 01;06;20;08
Lockie
Experience itself and not loving it. Yeah. Why aren't you. Yeah.
01;06;20;10 - 01;06;33;01
Lleyton
Did you kind of, like, grow up thinking, I know you said you didn't really know too much about triathlon, but did you watch, like, the long course stuff when you were growing up? And was that why you weren't. Oh, yeah. Oh, really? Frothy? Yes, I think so, like I was.
01;06;33;03 - 01;06;43;03
Ryan
Yeah, I was a bit of a maca fan and like, right. Let brothers and guys and, Yeah. And I think it was just that's what they did and you know.
01;06;43;06 - 01;06;43;21
Lleyton
Yeah.
01;06;43;24 - 01;06;47;17
Ryan
And to me like, you know, macchiato like he can he's a salesman.
01;06;47;19 - 01;06;49;08
Lockie
Like, he may not sell anything.
01;06;49;10 - 01;06;56;26
Ryan
Yeah. And I think just the way he was within the sport and spoke about the battles and the this and that, I was like, oh, that's I want to do that. Like, that's something that I want.
01;06;56;26 - 01;06;58;09
Lleyton
I want to do work.
01;06;58;09 - 01;07;03;02
Ryan
My way towards. Yeah. And then yeah, there was no medical terms.
01;07;03;02 - 01;07;06;03
Lleyton
That was harder than what he did. Yeah. Look easy.
01;07;06;09 - 01;07;19;25
Lockie
I mean gone on knock. I don't know if you've ever read a book before, but like, he makes you think, like, I could be in on that. God. That's cool. Yeah. Right here in his early days, stories like, that's probably one of the coolest books I've ever read. Yeah. Like.
01;07;19;27 - 01;07;34;19
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, he's an anomaly in triathlon too, right? Like, he kind of, you know, you can probably tell from the whole sponsorships and the way he was like, he was a, you know, like you said before, there's not huge amounts of personality. And yeah, a lot of endurance sport. And, you know, it's probably the style of racing and what it is.
01;07;34;19 - 01;07;44;08
Ryan
So it's one of the tracks. But you know, he was yeah, obviously the guy that had the personality to match the, the performance. And you know, he became the aura of. Yeah. Chris McCormack. Yeah.
01;07;44;11 - 01;07;59;08
Lockie
It's cool. It's you I don't know, like if you've ever had a conversation with Macca around sponsorships and like what he's done in the past and sort of like his idea that it's. Yeah, he's, he doesn't do it by the book, and it's pretty cool. Yeah. A lot of chat with start of the year. And I was like, wow.
01;07;59;10 - 01;08;17;17
Lockie
Yeah, it's it's impressive how that is definitely the norm of what you have to do to get sponsorships and whatnot. How much is like you should be asking for and whatnot. And yeah, he just kind of throws all those norm ideologies of how to go about trough on out the window and it's like, fuck it, I'm gonna do it my way.
01;08;17;17 - 01;08;20;02
Lockie
Yeah, like it or not. Yeah, I don't care.
01;08;20;05 - 01;08;34;10
Ryan
Yeah. And I feel like that, you know, it's why so many people are obviously drawn to him because, you know, he wasn't the palm card type of, you know, you felt actual personality and you could feel it, someone behind it rather than this curated, person. But yeah, he's definitely a unique character.
01;08;34;10 - 01;08;39;04
Lockie
Yeah. It's not there's no, nice perfectly written space. Like, that's not going to offend anyone.
01;08;39;04 - 01;08;48;25
Ryan
It's just raw and authentic. Yeah. You know, I think that's the same as anything now, right? Like, you look at social media and anything like it's almost people that actually themselves and the ones that people get drawn to.
01;08;48;29 - 01;08;49;09
Lleyton
Yeah.
01;08;49;12 - 01;08;53;08
Lockie
Well we talked about it all the time like on here. Well, if we want.
01;08;53;11 - 01;08;54;20
Lleyton
A bit more personality and.
01;08;54;26 - 01;09;05;28
Lockie
More personality, like, you see the but even like people running down the finish route, they just like take the tape, put it up. Yeah, but it's the side. It's I think you just fucking want to be right. So some excitement like you got. How's it going, finger guns.
01;09;06;01 - 01;09;10;14
Lleyton
Now it's like has this like, you know Hollywood. That's cool. That's good. Yeah.
01;09;10;15 - 01;09;19;06
Lockie
But the LeBron James is coming out of it like I mean I like I like the I want to see people shooting the camera. We saw like Cal flipping people off last year. Like I.
01;09;19;13 - 01;09;21;27
Lleyton
Love that. But yeah.
01;09;22;00 - 01;09;31;19
Ryan
But it is that thing to write like love it or hate it, it's the stuff that people will watch. Yeah, yeah. And it's no different to. Yeah, yeah, karaoke or whatever. Like you can say what you want about him, but people tune in to watch it.
01;09;31;19 - 01;09;34;15
Lleyton
Yeah, he might be a dick, but yeah, we want to see the car crash.
01;09;34;15 - 01;09;39;14
Lockie
He's a money making. Did is I don't care. Cash going in your pocket.
01;09;39;14 - 01;09;45;12
Lleyton
Yeah, it's like that. No laws. He said something. He's like, you might not like me, but you watch me. Yeah. Literally enough.
01;09;45;12 - 01;09;47;11
Ryan
Literally.
01;09;47;13 - 01;10;05;08
Lockie
So since since your triathlon career, I think like, and this is another thing, the lightning I talk about, it's, not having your. And, like you've said it, not having your, I guess, personality wrapped up in the sport, not having your, your being being solely off on, you know, you're not just a triathlete. You're you're this.
01;10;05;08 - 01;10;22;20
Lockie
So whatever your aspirations are, post or whatever you're trying to work towards I guess during the sport, how is that making like when you made, when you sort of made up your mind that you were going to retire? How is that going into like the next chapter of your life? Like what was what was going through your mind there?
01;10;22;22 - 01;10;52;07
Ryan
Yeah, I think, I mean, I kind of knew what I wanted to do. And I guess the whole, you know, in a lot of ways unfortunate that the last year that I did triathlon, I knew that that was going to be my last year. Yeah. And when I say fortunate, more so from the way that I felt like I really enjoyed things more than I probably had in the past, I absorbed, absorbed it and gone to places was like, you know, I'm probably never going to come back to this random little corner of the world, but, you know, I'm loving being here and, you know, and the performances almost became secondary to
01;10;52;07 - 01;11;06;00
Ryan
it. And that's also how I knew that it was time to. Yeah, to move on. Because I was always someone that. Yeah. Would have got quite frustrated or angry or whatnot when I didn't race how I wanted. And I sort of I realized pretty quickly that once I didn't care, I was like, well, that's a pretty good sign that it's time to.
01;11;06;00 - 01;11;09;15
Ryan
Yeah, to move on. Because you should. Yeah, yeah.
01;11;09;18 - 01;11;10;13
Lockie
But it's your profession.
01;11;10;18 - 01;11;11;02
Lleyton
Yeah.
01;11;11;09 - 01;11;30;18
Ryan
But yeah. So I sort of had that last year where it was probably a more subconscious type of thing, but I was yeah, obviously already thinking about, you know, what I'm going to do next year and, and everything else. And I sort of started some stuff with cycling apparel, but with no real vision of this is going to be a business and this is what I want for it and a definitive plan.
01;11;30;18 - 01;11;33;28
Ryan
It was more just something that I was into tinkering with.
01;11;33;28 - 01;11;36;00
Lockie
Yeah.
01;11;36;02 - 01;11;55;25
Ryan
And then it kind of. Yeah, I actually had a friend and I was visiting him in hospital. He just had back surgery after a, skiing accident. And, and he is quite a successful business owner and, has done a lot in that sort of space. And he actually bought the domains for me. Oh, and, I went to the toilet and he was always like, he was always asking about, like, you know, what are you going to do?
01;11;55;25 - 01;12;02;10
Ryan
And why don't you just do it and blah, blah, blah. And I was, you know, come up with reasons like, oh, I probably will or I'm not sure.
01;12;02;13 - 01;12;03;13
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah.
01;12;03;15 - 01;12;07;13
Lockie
It's always a successful business with the like, why don't you just do it? Yes. Do it a lot.
01;12;07;17 - 01;12;19;28
Ryan
And he was always like, there'll never be a right time. Just do it. Yeah. Like, what do you don't fish. Just do it like. And it was and it was good because thinking back like he was pretty, you know, he wouldn't just because he was you might he wouldn't just take it for whatever you say. Like he was pretty.
01;12;20;01 - 01;12;34;20
Ryan
But anyway, he asked my wallet. For some reason, I kind of remember why. And then I went to the toilet, came back, and he's like, God has bought you five domains. And he's like, tiny, just need a start. He's like, you just need that first step and you've got it. Don't waste your money. Oh, and I was like, did you just put them on my.
01;12;34;22 - 01;12;38;13
Ryan
Yeah. And that way, you know, on the research or whatever.
01;12;38;15 - 01;12;40;07
Lockie
You can get some cheap ones. Yeah.
01;12;40;09 - 01;12;57;04
Ryan
But that really was it like that was a thing of like, okay, well that's the first step. And yeah, I think too, it's probably, you know, it's like anything when you're getting into something you don't know everything. But as long as you know the next thing to do you do that and then you get to that point and then it's doing down to the next thing, or do I need to get someone that does know the next thing.
01;12;57;04 - 01;13;08;16
Ryan
And you just keep keep going. And that was kind of what really kicked it off for me. And then I was like, you know, this is this is what I want to do. And, you know, I never really saw it as a risk because don't triathlon was equal.
01;13;08;16 - 01;13;09;03
Lockie
Felt like that.
01;13;09;03 - 01;13;29;19
Ryan
Was risky, you know, risk. Yeah. It's not like you're in this secure, high, financially rewarding sport or anything else. So it didn't feel any more or less of a risk than, than doing that. Not you know, and I always liked doing my own thing I guess. And that was something that I sort of became passionate about. And it's fortunate to have a few friends in, ecom sort of space that have done well.
01;13;29;19 - 01;13;32;09
Ryan
And I think that probably subconsciously gave me a bit of confidence to.
01;13;32;12 - 01;13;49;08
Lockie
Yeah, yeah. And what I think is and I remember from one of our sort of first conversations when I think we were driving up to do a photo shoot for Facilier, and I was kind of like, oh yeah, like, this will sell. Especially like when you attach your name to it and it's, you know, Ryan Fish's cycling brain.
01;13;49;08 - 01;14;07;04
Lockie
And I remember you were like, nah, I don't want that. I don't want to attach my name to this. Like, I don't want it to be like my brand. I think I really respected that, that you want you like, oh, and I want this to sell because it's a good product. Because it's a, it's a, it's a good brand, not just because it's my brand sort of thing.
01;14;07;04 - 01;14;10;08
Lockie
So that was that always your yeah mindset going into it.
01;14;10;08 - 01;14;20;15
Ryan
Like and it was probably half from the reason that you just said and then half just from I don't know I guess I've always had this kind of, I don't know what you call.
01;14;20;15 - 01;14;22;10
Lleyton
It, like an imposter syndrome. Yeah.
01;14;22;10 - 01;14;26;08
Ryan
I just didn't want to articulate it's not going to change anything. I was going to buy it because it's me. Like.
01;14;26;15 - 01;14;28;29
Lockie
And the reason I started is I was always. And I said, yeah.
01;14;29;02 - 01;14;33;20
Lleyton
That like, that's just how it is. You're asked me to do this. I think.
01;14;33;22 - 01;14;55;23
Ryan
Yeah, I don't know. I guess that's just how I've always felt about it. So. And I never wanted to, I guess publicly, you know. Yeah. I guess just to touch money into it for whatever reason, I don't I've never thought too in depth about as to why. But yeah, a big part of it is also wanting people to like it for the product that it is or for the style that it is and for something bigger.
01;14;55;25 - 01;15;13;22
Ryan
And I think to make something lasting like it needs to be bigger than a person. Yeah, right. That that might be a stepping stone for, you know, I guess a launch pad, if you want to call it that. But, yeah, that's certainly long term. Like I want it to be. I don't want anyone to be the brand name, or anything.
01;15;13;22 - 01;15;29;05
Ryan
Like, I want it to be something that's bigger than that. And again, I have some pretty big aspirations for the brand and a pretty clear vision for the next, I guess, five years of what we want to do. Yeah. That's, I guess a pretty internally spoken thing and not something that we'd really put out there, I guess.
01;15;29;05 - 01;15;29;23
Ryan
But there's some.
01;15;29;23 - 01;15;33;09
Lleyton
Yeah. What is it? Yeah. Yeah. Like they're going to tell us all now. Yeah.
01;15;33;09 - 01;15;50;10
Ryan
And I think to us it's kind of like triathlon or anything. Right. Like I think it's very much like it's not easy. So it's like if you're going to do it, you may as well just, just go all in and have big dreams. And and again, I feel fortunate to probably be to know some people or have been introduced to people that have done things really cool with their own brands.
01;15;50;10 - 01;16;07;14
Ryan
And I think that's probably given me confidence because you realize the same as athletes or anyone like that, they're no different, to you. And, you know, you don't have to know it all. You don't have to be the smartest person. But if you can, you know, bring the right people in and respect people and, you know, people, people want to be part of something as well.
01;16;07;14 - 01;16;11;12
Ryan
So if you can create that for them, well, they're going to, you know. Yeah. Give that back.
01;16;11;12 - 01;16;16;08
Lockie
Yeah. Cool. I mean how long how long is it silly being around.
01;16;16;11 - 01;16;36;20
Ryan
I mean I would say probably like two years like before that, like we had stuff that again, I was pretty naive. It was more like just made like the website, like there was not much more. And to be honest, like up until this summer now is when we're kind of really about to scale. So like, we've never done paid marketing, we've never other than has, had ambassadors or anything like that.
01;16;36;20 - 01;16;54;27
Ryan
And I think we're just in the last month, we're sort of we'll be working with about 16 people in week alone. Yeah. Well, and we've got a full time content house, and production house coming on board that's going to do all our social media, full time video, photography and everything and do all that ab testing and, yeah, start paid marketing.
01;16;54;27 - 01;16;56;08
Ryan
And they're based in Melbourne as well.
01;16;56;08 - 01;17;10;15
Lockie
I mean, you say like you're only really just getting started. You've had some pretty big names in the kits that you're wearing, like we were, we were talking about it before. I mean like obviously obviously out of them myself, like
01;17;10;18 - 01;17;11;18
Lleyton
A lot of that's the biggest.
01;17;11;18 - 01;17;15;03
Lockie
I mean, I don't know how you did. You got it. You got a big one pretty early on.
01;17;15;03 - 01;17;16;14
Lleyton
Two times in the. So yeah.
01;17;16;15 - 01;17;20;12
Lockie
Lucky times in us. I kind of thought, fuck, I don't know how you're going to top this.
01;17;20;14 - 01;17;21;05
Lleyton
But,
01;17;21;08 - 01;17;21;27
Ryan
Take a loan.
01;17;21;27 - 01;17;24;01
Lleyton
Out. Yeah.
01;17;24;03 - 01;17;31;26
Lockie
But, yeah, you obviously you got Mattie. How's our world number one? Roger. Out of the kit. He's got his own kits. The only thing I go.
01;17;31;26 - 01;17;43;02
Lleyton
For is the helicopter shoot. Also, that pop off, life aid. And a lot of people have said it was fake. It looked fake. It was really impressive, but it was flying real low, and he was just riding in front of it.
01;17;43;02 - 01;17;46;06
Lockie
I think I even Matt Job, I was like, man, that is insane.
01;17;46;06 - 01;17;56;04
Lleyton
Surely that's for free as you've just said. Oh, we finally started up the last two years to get a helicopter and Matt Houser in the wild. Shoot, I think I think you got it all wrong. Yeah.
01;17;56;06 - 01;17;59;27
Ryan
That was yeah, the first I comment, I read it and I was like.
01;17;59;29 - 01;18;00;29
Lleyton
Shit.
01;18;01;02 - 01;18;03;20
Lockie
People are going to think it's I, I thought it was a.
01;18;03;20 - 01;18;11;22
Ryan
High die on it. Yeah. But looking back at it, it kind of did. And then there's people commenting like all the grass isn't moving. And this.
01;18;11;22 - 01;18;15;03
Lleyton
Is fake. Oh, that's really, really jabong.
01;18;15;05 - 01;18;21;08
Ryan
And then someone else who's like, oh, I live into one, but this is bullshit. That's not true. That's not real. And.
01;18;21;11 - 01;18;23;05
Lleyton
Where was it? Toowoomba. Did you say?
01;18;23;06 - 01;18;25;27
Ryan
Yeah. Inland. Yeah. Just inland to Humber.
01;18;25;29 - 01;18;29;20
Lleyton
Look like a cane fields. Yeah, that's what I thought it was all about. Yeah, yeah.
01;18;29;20 - 01;18;35;18
Ryan
Well, we wanted to. I wanted to do it somewhere more local, but it was to get low flying clearance and,
01;18;35;20 - 01;18;36;02
Lleyton
Through.
01;18;36;04 - 01;18;50;25
Ryan
All that stuff. And my cousin's a helicopter pilot, and he, Yeah. Cause I asked him about initial, and he's like, oh, it's that. And he's a pretty, not rogue, but like pretty, he's like, oh yeah, you could do something like that. And I was like, oh, okay. And I said it to house or, and house. I was like, oh yeah.
01;18;50;26 - 01;19;05;29
Ryan
Like whatever was like, yeah, maybe I was like, nah, nah, we will. And he was like, oh, I'd be pretty cool if we could. And I was like, okay, like, I want to actually get this sorted. I was like, that could be a very cool video. And then, yeah, I spoke to my cousin and he, he linked me up with someone on the Gold Coast, and I was like, oh my.
01;19;05;29 - 01;19;08;29
Ryan
Like, it's going to be very difficult because it's still gold Coast is.
01;19;09;02 - 01;19;10;01
Lleyton
Yeah.
01;19;10;04 - 01;19;22;00
Ryan
Close proximity to houses and residential and all the. Yeah, all the rest of it. And then you've got to get low flying clearance and shut down roads, then a perimeter and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, this isn't going on. And he was like, oh, you can do it, but it'll cost. And I was like, we don't have the budget for it.
01;19;22;00 - 01;19;27;03
Ryan
Yeah. For that, wanting a helicopter is enough for us.
01;19;27;05 - 01;19;29;14
Lleyton
And then a helicopter for. Yeah.
01;19;29;16 - 01;19;45;29
Ryan
So and then my cousin. Yeah, put me in touch with this other guy and he's like, oh, he's actually from the Gold Coast, but he's got a, he's got a hanger into one bar. And he was like, this heaps of rural stuff out there. He might be able to do it. And I call this guy and spoke to him, and it was the easiest thing that I've ever had to organize for what it was.
01;19;45;29 - 01;19;58;19
Ryan
This guy was unbelievable. Yeah. And it was ex Air Force. So he was super like, we asked him at one point, we're like, you know, if you come in behind him, can you put it a little bit on the side? And he was like, man, I can fly this backwards. I said, yeah.
01;19;58;22 - 01;20;00;03
Lleyton
And we'll like, okay.
01;20;00;05 - 01;20;08;12
Ryan
And yeah, he was amazing. Like he didn't, we didn't need to shut down roads. We just found a quiet one, and he was landing in the middle of the road and they'd be like, oh, it's a car coming. I'll just take off for a bit.
01;20;08;12 - 01;20;12;28
Lleyton
We will get to you. Yeah, it's it's a weird walkie talkies.
01;20;12;28 - 01;20;20;13
Ryan
And then the end shot, he landed in the cane fields and, Yeah, we got the shots. And then he was like, oh, I got to take off for a light this place up because of the engine, so.
01;20;20;19 - 01;20;21;17
Lleyton
Oh, cool.
01;20;21;17 - 01;20;25;01
Ryan
And then yeah, it was. Yeah, it was unreal though. It was really cool experience.
01;20;25;01 - 01;20;31;15
Lleyton
Yeah. So it was just kind of like off cuff really like. Yeah. Helicopters coming. Yeah. Where he sweet. Let's. Yeah.
01;20;31;16 - 01;20;39;04
Ryan
Did this thing and it worked well because it's you know you pay for time. Yeah. And it's expensive. So I was like we're not doing right. Take off the right. Yeah. This needs to be.
01;20;39;06 - 01;20;43;23
Lleyton
Has our following on right. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. What what you had.
01;20;43;25 - 01;21;01;00
Ryan
Pretty much and the videographer, we had, Nick Stack and Bag, who was a guy that Matt put us in touch with. He, he was unbelievable. Like, he was so detail oriented, and he had every shot that he needed pre-planned and was very meticulous. So he was on the walkie as well. And I was there, and Brian was driving the Utes.
01;21;01;00 - 01;21;14;08
Ryan
I was shooting out of the back of it, and he was shooting out of the back of it, and it felt chaotic in the moment, because you can hear that like obviously in the video you don't as much. But the chopper was loud. Matt had AirPods in because otherwise he wouldn't be able to hear. I was talking to him.
01;21;14;10 - 01;21;20;02
Ryan
Yeah, we did it in the 2 or 3 takes that we had based on the budget for the time period, and then and that was the end of it. But yeah.
01;21;20;07 - 01;21;22;09
Lockie
They want to shoot like a stunt movie.
01;21;22;11 - 01;21;26;13
Lleyton
On things like Kit drop. Yeah, yeah. I was.
01;21;26;15 - 01;21;29;04
Lockie
I remember saying I was like, I've never seen anything like that.
01;21;29;11 - 01;21;33;20
Lleyton
So I just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have an entire.
01;21;33;20 - 01;21;34;29
Lockie
Shooting star on.
01;21;35;05 - 01;21;37;00
Lleyton
You would do it? I'll to jump here like.
01;21;37;02 - 01;21;37;19
Lockie
It's not really my.
01;21;37;19 - 01;21;38;16
Lleyton
Thing.
01;21;38;18 - 01;21;40;01
Lockie
Well well I'd have to.
01;21;40;03 - 01;21;46;27
Lleyton
And then another real cool collab that you did. Well, you ride with Ned Brockman. He's obviously, like, popping off at the moment.
01;21;46;28 - 01;21;51;15
Lockie
He's not. He's an icon like idea. What's really cool? He's an Aussie icon all around the world at this point.
01;21;51;16 - 01;21;56;01
Lleyton
How did that come about like that? You somehow just rambly mates with Ned.
01;21;56;01 - 01;21;59;26
Ryan
Or I met him. I met him in a mates party at a mates birthday.
01;21;59;28 - 01;22;02;27
Lockie
This is after a few beers this year. I'd have to.
01;22;02;29 - 01;22;05;10
Ryan
Know that that was. That was probably two years ago.
01;22;05;11 - 01;22;07;03
Lleyton
Frank Thomas. Yeah.
01;22;07;05 - 01;22;24;29
Ryan
No no, no. Yeah, I met him. A mate's 30th in Brisbane. It was funny because the where the party was, was about 30 minutes drive out of the city. And he was staying in the city, and he was he'd lined it up. He was doing some talks or something. There, and he actually ran to the the party that night was I didn't even know what it.
01;22;25;02 - 01;22;26;00
Lockie
It lives by the bridge.
01;22;26;00 - 01;22;41;22
Ryan
It's probably like 2020 K or something. And then wait. He left it apparently ran home again that night and stuff, and I knew who he was, obviously. And yeah, we were just talking that night, just as you would with anyone. And, yeah, I just had a chuckle then on social media off the back of it and I can't remember exactly how it eventuated.
01;22;41;22 - 01;22;56;21
Ryan
I think either he posted a story or I did, and then the comment was made like, oh well, I do a backpacking trip. And then he was and then I was like, oh, would you actually be keen on something like that? And it was like, oh, I made it. It's a yes for me how to say yes to anything if I got the time.
01;22;56;23 - 01;22;58;15
Ryan
And we're like, okay, let's.
01;22;58;15 - 01;23;00;08
Lleyton
Let's just do it. Let's say, yeah.
01;23;00;11 - 01;23;03;10
Ryan
Yeah, let's do something. But it was it was pretty impressive.
01;23;03;10 - 01;23;06;13
Lockie
I hate the people who don't know. You just want to explain what you guys actually did.
01;23;06;13 - 01;23;19;13
Ryan
Yeah. I mean, we yeah, flew into Melbourne. And then yesterday tonight there, he stayed with a mate. I stayed with mate. And then. Yeah. Met up the next morning and rode from Melbourne up to Byron Bay. Thing we did in about seven days.
01;23;19;16 - 01;23;21;26
Lockie
Yeah. It was the total distance of that.
01;23;21;28 - 01;23;23;09
Ryan
That's a good question.
01;23;23;12 - 01;23;25;15
Lleyton
It's probably like there's a 1400 at least.
01;23;25;16 - 01;23;40;09
Ryan
There's a couple hundred a day. It was, it was only just over maybe 2 to 50 ish. Some days were bigger. Some days. Well yeah. But we didn't we didn't really have a plan at all like it. We we would have dinner and map out the ride the next day and just kind of look at a map and be like, where do we go?
01;23;40;10 - 01;23;45;18
Ryan
Where do you reckon we can get out? Yeah, he didn't even have thongs or shorts or anything. We were going into pubs in full cycling.
01;23;45;18 - 01;23;46;20
Lleyton
Oh yeah.
01;23;46;23 - 01;24;02;15
Ryan
Yeah. And we were like, yeah, we were pretty rural. So you, you cut some random looks, but, And it was amazing. He people knew him everywhere. Yeah. They really did like we, I think I don't even know if there was one day that we wouldn't have people stopped on the side of the road because I'd be looking at his Strava.
01;24;02;16 - 01;24;08;20
Ryan
Yeah. And know where we were going, and they'd just sit on the side of the road and just wait to get a photo and Strava stories.
01;24;08;22 - 01;24;08;26
Lleyton
Right?
01;24;08;29 - 01;24;17;18
Ryan
Yeah. One morning we yeah, we woke up and we went out the front at like five or something. There's a guy sitting on his bike, it's like, oh, so you finished at the at this motel last night? I thought I'd rather see the next.
01;24;17;18 - 01;24;19;03
Lleyton
Oh yeah.
01;24;19;05 - 01;24;25;24
Ryan
Hey, we had guys bring us pause, like randomly down the highway where there was one guy. Oh. When I say wait, I'll bring him. And he.
01;24;25;27 - 01;24;27;09
Lleyton
Says, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.
01;24;27;11 - 01;24;28;22
Lockie
We wish we go to mate with. Yeah.
01;24;28;24 - 01;24;30;00
Lleyton
Yeah.
01;24;30;02 - 01;24;36;24
Ryan
Like, yeah. That was, that was a dad at one point with two daughters and he said they been waiting there for 2.5 hours and saw the ride by the middle of nowhere, just.
01;24;36;25 - 01;24;38;00
Lleyton
Oh thank God.
01;24;38;01 - 01;24;43;25
Ryan
But it was, like to his credit, like any time there would be anyone a bit like I would just pull over quickly and sit there until.
01;24;43;29 - 01;24;44;28
Lockie
You give him the time.
01;24;45;00 - 01;24;49;08
Ryan
Yeah. And that was one thing, because, like I said, I'd only met him. Yeah, I was.
01;24;49;10 - 01;24;49;20
Lleyton
Like.
01;24;49;20 - 01;24;57;19
Ryan
And speaking, you know, you know, small talk or whatever, whatever it is. And, you know, he's he's exactly kind of what, what you say like.
01;24;57;19 - 01;24;59;13
Lleyton
So he's on brand. Yeah. He's a very.
01;24;59;15 - 01;25;03;21
Ryan
Very genuine easygoing, gives time to anyone. Sort of like.
01;25;03;23 - 01;25;17;10
Lleyton
Do you do anything pretty rare. Like surely in seven days riding 250 K day, he's got to do something like, we all watched that run across the night. Yeah, he did some rare things. Yeah.
01;25;17;10 - 01;25;31;25
Ryan
I mean I mean not really to be fair. Like, it was wild. Like once we were going to do it, we got a bike order from specialized. He did a bike fit on it and rode 15 minutes. I think, at Centennial Park. And then two days later, like the first day, we did like 270.
01;25;31;25 - 01;25;33;12
Lockie
K and he's not there.
01;25;33;12 - 01;25;49;29
Ryan
He had not had he had a road bike, but I think he said he'd written that like five years earlier, like he'd quite literally not. And the first day too, it was funny because I was like, you know, I didn't know what he would be like. I was like, I know he's not going to brake because he's done, you know, things a lot harder than this, but I hate the first day.
01;25;49;29 - 01;25;52;19
Ryan
Like we went on the highway at one section. He was just going.
01;25;52;21 - 01;25;56;06
Lleyton
You know, what? Is this guy going to rip my legs off? This is.
01;25;56;08 - 01;25;58;24
Lockie
I'm meant to be the professional. Like a professional athlete here.
01;25;58;25 - 01;25;59;23
Lleyton
And he's dropping.
01;25;59;23 - 01;26;16;17
Ryan
Out. Yes. Yeah. He was, pretty impressive. But, I mean, you can tell by anything that you watch online, like, is the way he is. It's pretty infectious. Like, you can't really be in a bad mood, like, you know, we'd wake up pretty sore and whatever else, and same thing. Like, I hadn't really been riding and had that bike fit.
01;26;16;17 - 01;26;31;03
Ryan
So like, we were getting cooking days and the rest of it. But he's just a such a positive. Like, I've honestly never really met someone like him in that way, but it kind of pulls you like you can't be in a bad mood around someone like that, doesn't it just doesn't work. But yeah, so that was that was good fun.
01;26;31;03 - 01;26;48;19
Ryan
And I was actually talking to him yesterday because he, he's overseas or he's about to go over, and he was just like, oh, yeah. Like do another ride or something. And he's like, yeah, I was thinking maybe leave on like December 8th and come back on the just before Christmas and just fly over to Y and just ride back to bond.
01;26;48;21 - 01;26;54;20
Lleyton
And I was like, then it's just it's a yes. But it's also like, yeah.
01;26;54;23 - 01;26;55;27
Lockie
You've also run that before.
01;26;55;27 - 01;26;57;17
Lleyton
So it's also like, he's.
01;26;57;19 - 01;27;00;09
Lockie
Not it's like us now that you've run that. Yeah. Right.
01;27;00;11 - 01;27;05;22
Ryan
But I mean he also did his 24 hours around Centennial. Sorry 700. And I don't even know what it was.
01;27;05;22 - 01;27;10;19
Lleyton
But like it's ten days on. Yeah. Peak Park or something crazy. Yeah.
01;27;10;20 - 01;27;16;19
Ryan
Like I said, like the sort of guy that. Yeah, if he puts his mind to it yet he knows I mean he's, he's run good marathon now too.
01;27;16;19 - 01;27;22;23
Lockie
And I like sub two 30s. Yeah. Like that. It's it's not he's not just like getting it done. It's doing it at pace.
01;27;22;23 - 01;27;31;17
Ryan
It's impressive. And this is a guy you know he didn't grow up running like he did. It wasn't that sort of thing. So like yeah you can yeah he's got an engine that's for sure.
01;27;31;18 - 01;27;43;20
Lockie
And you know like that. That's the message he preaches. It's almost like you don't you don't have to be professional to be doing this, obviously. Wake up. We all come from that professional environment. We grew up doing it where he's very much to. If you want to love it, just go do it.
01;27;43;20 - 01;27;47;05
Lleyton
Yeah, it's pretty impressive. Yeah. And I think the mindset for it.
01;27;47;10 - 01;28;03;20
Ryan
Yeah for sure. Just the no excuses type of thing like you know you can always find something. Yeah anyone can. And I think too, that's the most impressive thing. I think it's just that, you know, you can find, you know, your mind or keep giving you excuses just which one you choose to go. And that's a good enough one to accept.
01;28;03;20 - 01;28;11;18
Ryan
Yeah. I'm too young or I'm too old or I'm tired. This or this or whatever. And it's just like once you scrap that, it's like, you know, you can do whatever. Yeah.
01;28;11;20 - 01;28;13;06
Lockie
So, yeah, I've been hanging out with him.
01;28;13;08 - 01;28;19;29
Lleyton
Yeah. No more about 250 kids. I,
01;28;20;01 - 01;28;40;26
Lockie
No, mate. That's awesome. We'll wrap it up there. For anybody, obviously our our audience, I'd like to think, is very much, triathlon heavy. Go check out Sally. Like. Like fish just said they got they got big plans. I've been a big advocate for, for them from the start. It's their in the kit that I wear.
01;28;40;29 - 01;28;46;23
Lockie
So go check out what they're doing. It's just going to get bigger and better. Apparently, it's only just getting started, but, I didn't.
01;28;46;23 - 01;28;47;14
Lleyton
Pay to say that.
01;28;47;21 - 01;29;03;25
Lockie
Yeah, I know, I know, it's nuts. But, mate. Thanks. Thanks for your time. Honestly, we've, like we said at the start, you're a big inspiration for, many people in our age that that watched you, you know, be one of the best in the world, not just in Australia, but in the world at the time.
01;29;03;25 - 01;29;10;14
Lockie
So, Yeah, I hope you keep picking goals and maybe riding around Australia at some point again. Okay.
01;29;10;16 - 01;29;11;28
Ryan
So thanks very much for having me boys.
01;29;11;28 - 01;29;13;12
Lleyton
Appreciate it guys. Come on.
01;29;13;19 - 01;29;23;23
Lockie
Girls. All righty. Onto our little final preview. World Triathlon Championship series. White high. This weekend.
01;29;23;26 - 01;29;27;11
Lleyton
Yep. Over in China, the last one before the big dance in Wollongong.
01;29;27;13 - 01;29;40;20
Lockie
Feels like we've really just been packing amenities back into the year. Like, Like what? French Riviera wasn't that long ago. And then what, two weeks? It was Karlovy Vary, and then two weeks it was now way high. And then what? Maybe a month. I think it's four weeks off.
01;29;40;20 - 01;29;44;10
Lleyton
This weekend is much longer. Just bang on. Four weeks. Yeah.
01;29;44;15 - 01;29;50;09
Lockie
Okay. Awesome. God, that's. It's getting exciting. And it's heating up. It's heating up.
01;29;50;11 - 01;29;54;18
Lleyton
Have you looked at the have you looked at the star list? Yeah, I've looked at the start list.
01;29;54;19 - 01;29;58;13
Lockie
Pretty disappointing, if I'm being honest. It's not not what I expected.
01;29;58;13 - 01;30;25;01
Lleyton
But it makes sense to. Do you think? Yeah, it makes sense to me because they've raced they European season. They've done that. And then do they really like China is not the greatest place to go race like it's it's not optimal to go race because you have to get in there. It's foreign to most people. Most of the time you just eating rice for about five days straight before, and I'm not sure I'm.
01;30;25;01 - 01;30;33;06
Lockie
Not too sure about last year. Maybe if there was a risk of sickness or like if athletes get sick last year, like it is a risk to going to China.
01;30;33;06 - 01;30;52;26
Lleyton
Yeah, but and I also believe with a month out of Wollongong they've done their racing. Let's say if they raced French Riviera, that was that last one that six weeks before Wollongong get a good block in and we won't be flying full blown gone. Most people have their points. Like you say in the men's field, there aren't the top three ranked you.
01;30;52;27 - 01;31;10;16
Lockie
We obviously we knew there was not going to be any house up. But for me, I did think of Miguel Hidalgo and Vasco was also could have gone there. And especially for Miguel, I thought if Miguel went got another win, then that's two wins in a silver. And he's very, very close to House of that. But maybe he's kind of going.
01;31;10;24 - 01;31;12;04
Lleyton
I'm backing myself at world.
01;31;12;04 - 01;31;25;18
Lockie
Champs. I'm back to myself. A world champs. Like I think what his next best result would be. I think it's still a gold, silver and a bronze maybe. I think are his best series. That's obviously still not a terrible score. It's double points in the final. Yeah.
01;31;25;18 - 01;31;26;23
Lleyton
So it's open.
01;31;26;23 - 01;31;34;01
Lockie
I hope we haven't done the maths. We haven't done the math by any means. But maybe if he was to get a win and has it was a second, maybe that'll close it out or.
01;31;34;03 - 01;31;35;19
Lleyton
Yeah I'm not too sure. Yeah.
01;31;35;19 - 01;31;37;11
Lockie
We're going to have to do that. We're going to we'll do it.
01;31;37;13 - 01;31;38;29
Lleyton
Have to crunch the numbers I reckon.
01;31;38;29 - 01;31;48;17
Lockie
We sit down before Wollongong and we just do a huge spreadsheet on if this person comes here where they can and will try to show off of that. But it's, right now it's a little bit too much for our little brains, but.
01;31;48;17 - 01;32;04;24
Lleyton
They've changed the course in way high this year. Disappointed with not not Healy and hard like it was for most of the courses this year have been pretty flat and fast and you know and they've changed things up. They changed up Abu Dhabi, which I mean was really flat and fast before. Yeah.
01;32;04;24 - 01;32;06;24
Lockie
But in flatter and faster.
01;32;06;27 - 01;32;16;07
Lleyton
Yeah. Exactly. Right. Feel as if some of those old wood not old fashioned but like those real tough courses have kind of leant away.
01;32;16;07 - 01;32;43;24
Lockie
You literally with those ones where it's like you're literally riding through the middle of Old Town, you know, France and Spain or wherever, generally quite the way you're there's literally the apartment blocks are right next. Yeah. I like I remember my like on the 23 World Champs in Pontevedra. Yeah. We're literally running up with people eating in restaurants like you could, I could grab a glass of wine, like, if I wanted, like, they were literally running down the middle of Old Town and I thought, this is cool.
01;32;43;24 - 01;32;48;02
Lockie
Cool. Yeah. They will scream and go, Jones! That I have no idea who I am.
01;32;48;04 - 01;32;50;24
Lleyton
Yeah. Let's go. Jones. Australia. Yeah.
01;32;50;25 - 01;32;59;02
Lockie
They like like, that's the sort of stuff you want because they just have a passion for the sport. Where now it kind of does feel like they're shifting us out into like,
01;32;59;05 - 01;33;06;21
Lleyton
My part to get out this fast highway kind of racing. Yeah. That is a lot of Chinese races. I mean, look.
01;33;06;27 - 01;33;14;08
Lockie
The way I think in China that you're getting exactly what you'll get anywhere. Yeah. Really there. Unless you're in the middle of Beijing.
01;33;14;10 - 01;33;14;20
Lleyton
Like.
01;33;14;21 - 01;33;23;10
Lockie
Yeah, that's probably the only time. Yeah. Regardless, we'll turn our attention to that. The the women are a little bit better.
01;33;23;12 - 01;33;24;23
Lleyton
You still got. Yeah, you've.
01;33;24;23 - 01;33;38;00
Lockie
Got your Beth Potter. You got your lazy tush. The Squire vs the beat. Bianca. Sarah Salisbury back with the names Sarah, Sarah, Sarah Guinea. Surely.
01;33;38;02 - 01;33;41;21
Lleyton
So, Italian freak swimmer.
01;33;41;22 - 01;33;43;19
Lockie
She's a phenomenal swimmer. Yeah.
01;33;43;19 - 01;33;45;28
Lleyton
The women's is still a pretty solid field, like.
01;33;45;29 - 01;34;05;26
Lockie
Yeah, Sean Ainslie. So there's still. I would say that that's, probably going to be a bit more of an exciting race with those top end. Yeah. Athletes, attending there. So, it's again, I still think maybe a Cassandra by Grant. I don't know what she's doing in terms of if she's fighting for an overall world championship.
01;34;05;26 - 01;34;11;29
Lleyton
I think she might have got two wins. I mean, she she has won, at least. Yeah.
01;34;12;01 - 01;34;28;13
Lockie
Learning Ellie only period, I believe, is on top of. Yeah. World championship ladder at the moment. So yeah, again, to me still interesting that some of the big names opted out and like, there's only 28 women on the style list and I think 39 men.
01;34;28;13 - 01;34;51;27
Lleyton
Oh, so actually, Cassandra by Grant is winning the world championship so far. She nearly has a perfect score. So I believe she has two first and a second. She has 2925 points. Beth Potter this could be the big change up for Beth Potter. This way she could get another win and actually join up with Cassandra by Grant. And then John the here she's not racing.
01;34;52;02 - 01;35;01;02
Lockie
Oh my goodness we missed a lot of people there. Yeah. So okay. Wow Beth could this this could be another Cassandra Bogan Beth Potter battle for the world championship.
01;35;01;02 - 01;35;03;28
Lleyton
It's actually quite exciting. That will be just as exciting as the men's.
01;35;03;28 - 01;35;12;19
Lockie
Really? Again, we don't know who that what people's plans are because, I mean, I don't see why Cassandra wouldn't come to Wollongong.
01;35;12;22 - 01;35;13;10
Lleyton
Is she not.
01;35;13;10 - 01;35;14;25
Lockie
Coming? I don't know, I,
01;35;14;28 - 01;35;17;08
Lleyton
Surely she'll come round the World Series.
01;35;17;09 - 01;35;33;06
Lockie
I mean, if you sitting there, if you're sitting in a gold medal position right now, I don't. I don't understand why not, but again, like this being a post-Olympic year, she might be tired. She might not want to do it for whatever reason. She might she might choose not to. So obviously, I hope that doesn't happen because she's a phenomenal athlete.
01;35;33;06 - 01;35;38;27
Lockie
Yeah. But, let's, let's get into our picks who have, who have you going with?
01;35;39;00 - 01;35;58;12
Lleyton
We'll start off with the women. Yeah. I'm going. Beth. Paula? Yep. She's going to be the fastest runner there. Yeah, I've gone to a spa off the back of her second the other day. I know it's not really a strength course, but I feel as if the bike can still break away with the women. I feel as if you can stay away.
01;35;58;14 - 01;36;01;12
Lleyton
And then I'll have Lisa Hirsch rounding out the podium.
01;36;01;12 - 01;36;01;26
Lockie
Okay.
01;36;01;27 - 01;36;05;19
Lleyton
She may just sit on the back. Yeah, like. Like I. Yeah.
01;36;05;21 - 01;36;19;18
Lockie
Yeah, people don't really like it too much. I've got Coniston. Well, I've got Beth Potter in first, Lisa Hirsch in second, and I've gone I, we know how I feel about this, but I've go in the Russian.
01;36;19;21 - 01;36;20;08
Lleyton
Oh.
01;36;20;10 - 01;36;22;23
Lockie
Diana, I said it's a cover.
01;36;22;27 - 01;36;23;17
Lleyton
Okay.
01;36;23;19 - 01;36;28;00
Lockie
In third. I just think maybe she'll have a bit of extra aid or something.
01;36;28;00 - 01;36;30;23
Lleyton
To get to the finish line.
01;36;30;25 - 01;36;36;00
Lleyton
Okay, okay, let's get into the men. Lucky finish this off.
01;36;36;00 - 01;36;42;09
Lockie
Go on. Got David Cantero. I just think, looking at it, looking at the course, looking at the field runners.
01;36;42;09 - 01;36;42;18
Lleyton
Right.
01;36;42;18 - 01;36;56;24
Lockie
It's a runners, right? Yeah, I don't I don't say it not. I mean you're going to have Henri Graff, Max de play. Some of those boys push in the front. But yeah. Yeah, I don't know, I just, I just think it will, there'll be there has to be one racer. It comes together and I think this is the race.
01;36;56;26 - 01;37;03;18
Lockie
So you got David Cantera coming first. Morgan Pearson coming second. And I've got our boy Luca Willian coming into.
01;37;03;21 - 01;37;21;27
Lleyton
Nice okay I've got John Reed the American I feel as if he's coming into a bit of form. Yeah he's done so I feel as if this is probably the one where he can get it. And I have Luke Willian because I want to say Luke on a podium. Yeah. He's got a fourth this year in in the Italian race.
01;37;21;27 - 01;37;25;10
Lleyton
And then I've got Roberto Sanchez. Yeah he's a rapid runner.
01;37;25;10 - 01;37;27;15
Lockie
He's so a little Spaniard spending.
01;37;27;15 - 01;37;32;02
Lleyton
Yeah. So that's let's say our podium picks for
01;37;32;04 - 01;37;48;25
Lockie
It's exciting. Like you said, it's exciting to see how the points play out leading into into Wollongong. That's essentially what this is. This is going to be the last final, especially in the women with Beth Porter and Lisa Tash. You know they're they're definitely in that upper end of the on the points where you know I like the picks that we got here.
01;37;48;25 - 01;38;04;22
Lockie
The David Kent is the Morgans the the Williams. And you know you've got Roberto and John. Like they're not necessarily fighting for top positions at the moment. But you know I saw Henry Graf is in fifth and he's racing this weekend. So, you know, he could do something sneaky in this last part. Yeah.
01;38;04;24 - 01;38;13;01
Lleyton
Least if she gets a win here, she would be up there in the. There's actually five of the females that are looking really good for.
01;38;13;01 - 01;38;25;06
Lockie
Yeah. No, this women's race is going to be a very big deciding factor for, going into Wollongong, I believe. So the eyes will definitely, probably be on the women's race a little bit more here. So yeah, let's see how that plays out. The big.
01;38;25;06 - 01;38;30;10
Lleyton
Mover though. Beth. Paula. Yeah. She does anything better than a third. She's she's catching.
01;38;30;10 - 01;38;33;01
Lockie
Up. Yep, yep. No, the, the race.
01;38;33;02 - 01;38;41;06
Lleyton
To see if she wins there. Todd by Cassandra and Beth down in Wollongong. You couldn't script it in. No.
01;38;41;08 - 01;38;42;20
Lockie
You can't script that anybody. What, a.
01;38;42;20 - 01;38;46;07
Lleyton
Year to start a podcast. Yeah, exactly.
01;38;46;09 - 01;39;06;19
Lockie
All righty. We're going to wrap it up there. It's been a big episode. It's been a long episode, but I like to think it's definitely one that's, well worthwhile. Ron Fisher, he's an absolute legend. Huge thanks again for coming on. And, joining us and of course, thanks to official beer making all this possible, make sure you follow us on the podcast.
01;39;06;19 - 01;39;18;26
Lockie
Got any questions? If you got anything you want us to talk about more than happy to talk about anything. You know, stop at the undefined the unfunded pod. So I, I was trying to mix my words there at the on.
01;39;18;29 - 01;39;30;07
Lleyton
Off at the unfunded pod on Instagram or, or the unfunded pod at gmail.com if you have an email, I don't know who has access to that email.
01;39;30;10 - 01;39;44;25
Lockie
We've got our juice. I think he's got access to it. But, yeah, yeah. Again, thank you very much for listening. So I we're obviously very tired right now. We've been in the studio for nearly two hours, so, we're going to go have some sleep, but, thank you very much. We'll see you next week.
01;39;44;25 - 01;39;45;26
Lleyton
Cheers. But ciao.