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"A LOT with Audra" is the podcast for women juggling big dreams and full lives. Each episode, host, Audra Dinell, Midwestern wife, mom and neurodivergent multi-six figure entrepreneur encourages women to embrace their many roles holistically by living a values-based life with confidence and joy. Through candid discussions, practical strategies and inspiring stories, this podcast is your guide to designing and achieving success without losing yourself in the process.
Jeana Marinelli
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Audra Dinell: [00:01:00] Hey everyone. I am so excited for you to hear today's podcast. Our guest is so cool. She and I met at a retreat in New Mexico and just hit it off and we are having a candid conversation, kind of like coffee between friends today, and we are talking about. All the things we are talking about leadership and how it starts with ourselves.
We are talking about early signs that something isn't working and how can we figure that out. We are talking about therapy and tools and coaching. We are talking about feeling alive in our vocations. So please help me welcome our guest today.
Jeana, welcome to the podcast.
Jeana Marinelli: Thank you for having me. My first thought was, I love your podcast voice.[00:02:00]
Audra Dinell: I have a podcast voice. Okay. I love that. It's one of those things that you don't know about yourself until someone tells you like a radio voice. Right.
Jeana Marinelli: it's, yeah, it snapped on.
Audra Dinell: Okay, love that. Well, I'm excited to talk to you today.
Early Signs of Something Not Working
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Audra Dinell: We are talking all about the second act in this podcast season, and you've coached many women over the years as well as have your own lived experience.
I want to know what are the early signs that something might not be working, even if. A woman can't name it yet.
Jeana Marinelli: Ooh. I, the coach in me is like so curious. Did you, I felt like a sensation in my ribs and in my shoulders that like sort of washed down as you asked that question. Did you feel anything when you said it? Just in terms of noticing
Audra Dinell: Yeah, that, that's a good question. And I did like, I felt it in the bottom of my ribs, like top of my gut.
Jeana Marinelli: [00:03:00] That's it. That's what I think the early signs are. Not suggesting that like we think this is not working, but I think even when our brains start to think about is, is something not working? We experience some of the physiological markers of that I'll answer the question with a different thought and then come back is like, I used to joke for the incredible coaching certification program that I attended as a coach. A long time ago, like, oh, I paid, you know, all this money to learn how to say I have tightness in my chest. And yet as a coach, like Your body is the biggest tool for creating awareness. And then we do that same work with our clients, whether we're in person or whether we're And so I think. What are the early signs of something not working? Is that she already knows. You already know. I already know. Like when we're asking that question, I think there's already a knowing and there's already an awareness something might be off [00:04:00] and that it's like, have we as leaders, as women developed. The connection to recognize that the itch we feel, the discomfort, the restlessness, and or do we have the courage to vocalize that to a friend? Is it in our search history? Is it in, you know, Instagram might know before you know that something's not working or Instagram might be trying to influence you to tell you that something's not working. This story was when my apartment flooded and I needed to move and put my stuff in storage. Instagram knew I would be moving before I had communicated that decision to any of my friends. And it was like wild. So you can keep it in, you can cut it, but it, that just was such a, like, wow.
So the connection there being. Yeah, like when you're asking that question, I think there's already a knowing that that's true. [00:05:00] Does
Audra Dinell: Okay, so 100%. And I wanna pull on so many threads.
The Good Girl Complex and Socialization
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Audra Dinell: It's like, do you think that we were born with a better ability to listen to that knowing and if yes. How do you think that goes away from us and how do you think we come back to it?
Jeana Marinelli: Oh my gosh. Gosh, it took me straight back to my evolutionary biology class in college. Yes, I think we were with that knowing, I think human like. With all faith traditions respected, the human evolution has required that knowing,
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: Right. Our brains are super complex and send signals to us. The problem is, is we're not getting chased by saber tooth tigers every day anymore. I think about, I mean, everything is a combination of nature and nurture and. [00:06:00] I think society and what I mean by society, I mean we're both in the US so like white, patriarchal, heteronormative, society has off of disconnecting us from that knowing. Right? Especially you talk about socialization. And growing up, being socialized is white. And the good girl thing, the good girl. Being the good girl requires you to disconnect from any sense of knowing that something might not be right. And so I think education, socialization, you know, religion, et cetera, in many cases extracts it from us. And I'm not saying that religion itself does that, but the institutions predominantly led by men in the real messed up society that we live in, I think have extracted it from this. And so. There are so [00:07:00] many ways that we can come back to it. The emotional agility work that you and I did, I think any sort of body movement and somatic work can help us come back to it.
I mean, even clients, it's like, right, if you're feeling stuck, literally get up and go for a walk
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: Movement is such a big part of bringing that connection back.
Audra Dinell: I feel like I fought this for so long. Like I feel like, first of all, I really wanna know, like I almost want to go back and see like, was there a time, like when did that good girl thought turn on? What turned it on for me? Like I just have this desire, to go back and. Put it on a moment and it doesn't work like that.
But, and I think this is obviously where therapy comes in and you know, family patterns and digging into a bunch of different things within each of us.
Therapy and Personal Growth
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Audra Dinell: But [00:08:00] I just wanna go back to that girl who allowed herself to be her. And you know what? In fact, now that we're talking about this, I had a wonderful therapist probably a decade ago, and he's since retired and actually, I lovingly called him crazy Mike because he, his name was Mike and he looked like Albert Einstein and his mannerisms were like wild. And he would like throw F-bombs in our sessions all the time and often get off on tangents. And I'd be like, Mike, I literally dunno what we're talking about right now. But then he would like hammer it home.
So he led me through this experience in my twenties where he had me. Close my eyes and picture myself as a young child and start jumping on the bed in the bedroom of my childhood home and then start throwing things and breaking things, and then tell myself that I was, you know, loved and amazing and perfect just as I was.
And having [00:09:00] done that many, many years ago, I could easily do that, but in that moment I remember having such a hard time. Being like, no, no, no, but that's not okay.
Jeana Marinelli: Yeah. That. I mean, I'm.
Audra Dinell: But I know, that was the point, is just that I saw it in myself. I don't know how exactly it. It came about, but I can see that in myself, the good girl complex and, and when I realized that was happening, it still took me over a decade to like really believe that I needed to connect to my inner self, to my body to like become, who I really am versus like doing like, I, I just.
Wanted to rack up the accomplishments, and I just think that's so, so common. And so that's where that courage piece comes in that you shared of like, okay, first it's like how do we get back to being in our body and, [00:10:00] being attuned with it? And then you have to have that courage.
Jeana Marinelli: Yeah. Wow. That's I went on like several journeys with that one. I pictured the childhood bedroom I most often picture. And then I pictured the one we only lived in for like two years and I was like, Ooh, there's a darker place there. I should probably explore that with my therapist. And then thought about like, okay, what were some of the off-ramps, right?
Because you're essentially asking the questions like, what was the on-ramp? For the good girl complex. And then it's like, what, what are some of the off ramps? And I I think two of the off ramps for me were one in high school. My 11th grade AP English teacher, Ms. Athens. Shout out Ms. Mrs. Athens. We still keep in touch.
We texted last summer, had us. Which write like, hello millennial [00:11:00] book. And I remember we were reading that while also writing some AP English essay about death of a salesman or something like that. And I can like, remember. Sitting in the like varsity locker room between things like devouring Tuesdays with Maury, right? Real, I peaked in high school. I was super cool. right. Like in my cheer uniform reading Tuesdays with Maury and remembering like, oh my gosh, there's life outside of achievement and being like, so seduced. Seduced is maybe not the right word, but like so attracted to that idea.
Leadership and Becoming Yourself
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Jeana Marinelli: then in college, I was on the pre-med track taking all, honors classes and, you know, voluntarily taking organic chemistry molecular biology and all of these things. And USC had a [00:12:00] class called the Art and Adventure of Leadership. That was taught by the then president of usc, Steve Sample and Warren Venice, who in Western White academic circles is considered the father of leadership as an academic field of study. Right. As part of the oriJeanal T group studies and how groups and teams form. And this class, I think both like reflected everything we had about society, right? There was a speaker that came in every single week. CEOs, politicians, former vice presidential candidates and the course objectives were to observe leadership and practice leadership. And it was incredible. And there's a quote of Dr. Venice's that I still use in my workshops today and with clients that I love. And it's this idea that becoming a leader is synonymous with becoming yourself.
It's precisely that simple. And it's also that difficult.
And he's got a much longer version, which is something like [00:13:00] this'll be 90% accurate.
No leader sets out to be a leader. People set out to live, live their lives, expressing themselves fully. When that expression is of value, they become leaders. the point is not to become a leader. The point is to become yourself. To use yourself completely, all your skills, gifts, and energies. In order to make your vision manifest, you must withhold nothing. You must become the person you started out to be and enjoy the process of becoming.
Audra Dinell: Oh my gosh.
Jeana Marinelli: Right. So like in this class we've got, and I love that, oh my gosh, I felt it right here in my chest again. And in this class you've got, I don't know, 16 weeks in a semester. May, somewhere between 12 and 15 global leaders came into our class, all of them, but one were white [00:14:00] men.
And yet you have this storied white man telling us that. What makes you a leader? It's not all the stuff they put in books, but to go become yourself. And so that was another offramp. And so I, as you were saying all that, I'm like, wow, Mitch Alba a man was like an offramp into this. Dr. Benni was an offramp into this.
And he also, you know, he, I think all the time about, he told us as we were Setting off into the world. This is 2004. I took this course. He addressed the women in the class and they were very intentional about making sure the class was 50% men and women, right? You had to apply to this class.
It was just juniors and seniors. You had to be leaders on campus. He told us to make sure we had skirt suits, because if we interviewed for important jobs in pants suits, might come across. You know, negative ways that Hillary Clinton was portrayed, and that's in 2004.
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: And I, I mean, Venice transformed my life. Like I stayed close with him up until he [00:15:00] passed away in 2014. He reinforced a lot of these messages and also gave me the tools to disrupt it.
Audra Dinell: Yeah. I think that's the tricky part about being a woman today. Is that like what you know in your body and what some people. Might say is also so undercover, not the way things are,
Jeana Marinelli: Mm-hmm.
Audra Dinell: so it just really messes with your head.
Jeana Marinelli: Yeah. Yeah. Now, and, and I, and then as you say that, I'm like, yeah, here we are having this incredible conversation. And also I'm like, and here's two things I learned from men that taught me how to do this. But it, it's, it's not that they taught me, it was like, that's so much messaging that we read in so much of a smog. Tatum writes about that sort of affect who we associate is good, what we [00:16:00] associate is right. Yet like if, if you're in the overachiever driven type A, like get your goodness or status from your achievements and what the world and society tells you, you do. We've been breathing in smog since the moment we're born.
And so who, who are the people? Who are the tools? What are the processes that help us disentangle that? I think, is life's work,
Audra Dinell: And what have you found to be a helpful tool in disentangling that in your life's work?
Jeana Marinelli: of course, therapy. Right, right. One of my mentors, Linda Bellins, said a long time ago, like, what's the secret? Someone asked her on a radio show, what's the secret of all great leaders? And she said, they all have really great therapists.
Audra Dinell: I love that. I love that.
Jeana Marinelli: I think coaching is a big part, can be a big part of it, can be a [00:17:00] great process. And I think like. Being in community, right? I think there's individual work to be done, reflection, journaling, reading the therapy, the coaching, and then like being in community of people who will push you call that out because you know, there's, there's tons of smog I think too often, All this stuff's getting boiled down to like Instagram quotes, but. We think about the smog that we breathed in when we were kids, right? We go straight to this exercise of jumping on the bed and our smog is getting reinforced by the Instagram algorithm and social media algorithms. You look at the news sources, you read the, the views of the authors of the books. You consume all
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: consume, the podcasts TV shows, the, I mean, that, that's part of why, who's writing and making television, art, et [00:18:00] cetera, really matters because we're reinforcing that over time too.
Audra Dinell: Yeah. When you're talking about that, I am definitely hearing some of the being and some of the doing. The being would be the internal work, the reflection, the therapy, and the doing would be then also putting yourself in community where you're held accountable and you're pushed and you're stretched. You talked about coaching, and I would kind of bucket that under the, the being part.
Is that what drew you in to coaching?
Navigating Life's Decisions
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Audra Dinell: like, Where's that bridge?
Jeana Marinelli: Yeah, so, okay. I, not taking the mcat, I'm not going to med school. And I think that that decision was some of my earliest, like noticing. And because, The bridge is, you know, I had thought since I, the time I was six years old, that [00:19:00] I wanted to be a doctor. I had said that in a kindergarten classroom and was told I was smart. And that grew over time into this thing. I was gonna be a doctor. You can guess that my dad is a doctor. My mom was a nurse. I drew a picture that said, you know, my dad's a hero because he helps people by saving babies' lives. I later framed that and gave it to him like in high school. so there was this story and like narrative of becoming a doctor. like the goodness involved in that, right? Because I think for our generation was sort of a narrative, like if you're smart, you become a doctor or a lawyer in our house
Audra Dinell: Yes.
Jeana Marinelli: and if you're smart and a good person, you become a doctor.
Audra Dinell: I love that.
Jeana Marinelli: used to be a lot more like beef between doctors and lawyers and like butts being butts of jokes. And so. I definitely [00:20:00] worked hard and like how do we separate the fact that I worked hard and the fact that teachers told me I was smart
Audra Dinell: Yeah, impossible.
Jeana Marinelli: and like the confidence that gives you as a kindergarten, right? Like I used to joke, the first person I ever coached was my principal when he was. When I was in fourth grade, Mr. Goldenberg, I gave him feedback every single day on his tie and if it matched the outfits. Right. And this is the early nineties, so we're getting like some purple suits, some like mustard yellow things, some ties that brought it all together.
I think that was an outfit I really liked. And so, I've got this like life story of I've be a. Narratives of saviorism in there that we could unpack in a whole nother session. But I could barely bring myself to [00:21:00] buy an MCAT book, let alone crack one open. I think the day I went and like, got it, I had to spend a whole day like at Barnes and Noble, get a coffee, go get a trinket from anthropology at the outdoor mall in la, like to make this whole thing to buy the MCAT book.
And then it sat there on the shelf in our sorority house and I like never opened it. And so at some point I had a conversation with myself. It was that knowing it was that, you know, inner wisdom of like, dude, you love standardized tests. I thought studying. I just told my brother the other day like the critical thinking skills I learned in the Princeton Review.
SAT course. Are like some of the best critical thinking skills I've learned in my entire life. I am a nerd as earlier disclosed, like I enjoy standardized tests or at least I used to. And I was like, you don't even wanna study for this. And so what did I do the summer? all pre-med kids take the mcap [00:22:00] between sophomore and junior year.
And I went to study abroad in Italy instead. And, I took a black and white film photography course. So I got, which I like, loved photography. Didn't have time to take any photography classes. And it, it's funny, it's the summer of 2003 and so it's film developing in the dark room the year that digital cameras are becoming a thing. And I was like, that'll never take root. Now asking me about my $2,000 digital camera piece of phone that you keep in your back pocket. So. That decision to not do what everyone else was doing and go to Italy instead, I think was this is the summer before taking out leadership class. And that summer, I just felt so alive, followed all the things that to see and do, like really got in. I loved Renaissance. I loved Leonardo. Eventually, I loved Leonardo da Vinci in that, like he [00:23:00] was not one thing. He was a multihyphenate. He's like, actually the oriJeanal Renaissance man we're talking about Da Vinci. And just felt so alive and so myself. So I, when I would hear those quotes from Dr. Venni, I would think of those moments, and like. I, had to write this essay in the beginning of this class and I'm so excited.
I'm standing in Starbucks. I see this mug. You remember when Starbucks did the city mugs,
Audra Dinell: Oh yeah, I had some, I had some.
Jeana Marinelli: Fiza, right? Not even Florence, but Fiza, the Italian way. All these black and white images all the sites, all the same stuff I had taken and developed in the dark room and written this essay about, so I buy this mug for myself because I'm like, I feel so seen by this mug. Part of this class is that Dr. Benni met with there's 40 kids in this class. And so he [00:24:00] met with us for lunch in like groups of four or five. and. Everyone really tries to make an impression on him. Everyone, like you could see, people are trying to be like, I read Sun Zus the Art of War, and is a connection I see to what's happening in our current times.
And like that wasn't how he was motivated at all. Like Dr. Venice really saw people and could make you feel like you were the only person in the room. So we're getting up to leave lunch at the university club he's carrying a Starbucks bag. Pulls me aside, but of course everyone's watching and is like, Jeana was standing in line at the university Starbucks, and as I was looking at the wall, all the beautiful words in your essay about what black and white film, photography and this summer in Florence and like finding your voice and following who you are, words. Just like dancing across my mind as I saw this mug, so I bought it for [00:25:00] you. And he pulls the mug out of the bag, the same mug that I had bought myself the day before.
Audra Dinell: Oh my gosh.
Jeana Marinelli: Right. I'm like, I am noticing that I'm experiencing sensations that could lead towards tears and pulls it outta the bag and gives it to me.
And I'm like, holy shit. We all like over and. I saw yesterday and was like, if I was a mug, I would be this s mug, which I hope, you know, at this point in life I'd have bigger aspirations than a Starbucks city mug. But besides the point, it captured a moment where I was like following who I was and then he saw it and gave it back to me, and that I think. Is really the seed of the work I do today is creating those
For people. I remember at the time thinking like, I wish this, I wish leadership could be a profession,[00:26:00]
Audra Dinell: yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: you can't, you gotta be a doctor or a lawyer. But not. Yeah, that, that moment is like the bridge. And so when, I ended up not going to med school. I did Teach for America, I taught in Harlem. I was involved in helping lead the teams and grade levels, ultimately helping start a new public district school and. doing leadership development for Teach for America.
And it just was sort of, always been a component of making people feel seen
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: and creating development opportunities. That is a thread that sort of like pulls back to those moments with those mugs. And actually, if I was in my own home right now, I'd be drinking coffee out of that mug with you.
Audra Dinell: Hmm. Okay, so question for you. How do you, like when I'm listening to that story and that bridge, like I am entranced and I'm thinking what an [00:27:00] intelligent and adventurous. Woman who focuses on just maybe saying the next, right? Yes. You know, and the story about med school to the summer in Italy, to then building a school in Harlem and Teach for America.
You couldn't have planned that out. Those were. From what it looks like to me, those were just the next, yes, this is the full body. Yes. Right now, what do you think the role of goals is and does it get in the way? You know what I mean? Like which one? Do we do cart before the horse? Do we set the goal, have the vision, like go for the thing or say the next, right?
Yes. Like what's that relationship like in your mind?
Jeana Marinelli: The first part of the question was yes or no. So I was gonna be like, yes, you know, do we do this or do we do this? And my answer would just be, yes.
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: I think it's a both, like you set the. It's good to say things out loud[00:28:00]
Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.
Jeana Marinelli: to yourself, pen and paper, to the people you care about and I think, a lot of us miss the opportunities that are right in front of us. 'cause we're so focused on some sort of schedule or some sort of story or some sort of. A narrative instead of just seeing the moments that are right here.
But we also shape our goals and dreams by the ways we spend our time.
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: So I think it's both.
Audra Dinell: Mm. I love that. And before we jumped on, we were talking about A DHD Brains and. I think there's a tendency to think black and white. It's one or the other at least I know that shows up for me and other people in my household who have a DHD. And I think one of the gifts about our [00:29:00] brains is the novelty seeking and like the adventurous open to variety.
Not even open to it, but like crave that. So. You know, it's just kind of finding that that gray space, I feel like this is such a lesson that I am learning in this season of life, is that the answer for me is in the gray. Like I want it to be black and white and it just never is. I want it to be easy, this one or this one, and it just never is.
It's always in the gray for me.
Jeana Marinelli: Yes, and so much of. It's like I have thoughts on this question as a coach and then as an individual, like, as as, and I'm attempted to go with the coach first, but I'm gonna go with the individual because I also think part of being a leader is everything starts with self. We've got to think about our, how something's showing up for us before we jump into how it shows up in others.
But the temptation is to jump into how it shows up in others before thinking about ourselves. So, [00:30:00] I struggle with and white all the time, and one of the most common stories is like, if I cannot do it perfectly and the ways I've envisioned with all of this stuff, I'm not gonna do it. In fact, I, I. You know that I'm in transition and my apartment's flooded. I'm spending time at my family's house in Colorado right now. I'm a New Yorker, but I'm very much living in the gray right now. ready for a big trip tomorrow. And I, I noticed yesterday there was, or two days ago, there was a temptation to say, don't, don't, don't record this conversation now.
Like, wait, wait till life is more organized, like.
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: Wait till you've got all these lessons and reflections and whatever, and then that I, I recognized it and was like, wait, stop. No, this is exactly when you should have a conversation. Just being right in the messy middle of something which we're always in the messy middle of something, but I notice this, like, if I can't do it [00:31:00] perfectly, I don't wanna do it at all.
And that leads to tons of procrastination
Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.
Jeana Marinelli: on my part. So I'm, I'm fighting binaries. Everywhere I look, I try to remind myself that like a binary is a fixed mindset. There's literally nothing in life that is black and white,
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: except our multiple choice questions, except the binary code that forms a lot of computer programming. Nothing else is black and white.
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: things that have been messaged to us as black and white aren't really black and white at the end of the day. As an individual, I see it everywhere as a coach. So many, so much of work, I hear especially with women and with men right men have, breathed in the same messaging and smog that we have is. Stories that we're telling ourselves. And usually at the heart of that story is another [00:32:00] black and white binary.
Audra Dinell: Hmm. Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: And that story is holding, is holding them back in some way. And so I think it's a gift to be able to help clients explore the black and white stories, to be able to reflect them back to them. And then it's like, gosh, you know, still gotta do it every day. Myself too.
Audra Dinell: Oh gosh. It's so true and so good.
Final Thoughts and Upcoming Plans
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Audra Dinell: Okay, so I could talk to you all day to close our conversation. If someone listening is standing at the edge of potential change, like if they're having that feeling in their body. If they're procrastinating on buying that MCAT book, what would you want them to know?
Jeana Marinelli: If they're standing at the edge, I would want them to close their eyes. I would want them to like separate their feet. Stand up. Make sure you could feel the heels of your feet and the balls of your feet [00:33:00] pressed into the ground. And if they stand for any reason, at the edge of your chair. Sit up straight on, cross your legs jump I'm doing right now
Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.
Jeana Marinelli: like close their eyes. And actually take in three deep breaths and then ask themselves what do they wanna do?
Audra Dinell: Because they know.
Jeana Marinelli: But no, I'm like, what is one? I would say, what are the, I would also tell them, like ask what are the stories I'm telling myself about this situation? Are they true? How do I know then? Usually they're not true.
Audra Dinell: Spoiler.
Jeana Marinelli: more, what's the more true story? And the, this book on the floor by my mentor, there's a poem in it, Linda Bellins, who taught me how to coach. Always another huge off ramp. you know, for part two of our conversation, I was at a summer leadership [00:34:00] development. Experience at NYU and there's this incredible woman who reminds me of Leonardo Leonard Da Vinci because she's a dancer and a poet, and a radio host, and a coach, and a leadership development expert and all these things. And she's talking about mirror neurons and how they light up in your brain with a smile how to build connection as a leader. And I was like, ah, you, you are such an important off ramp, but there's a poem. She reads, that goes something like think it's by gu. I can give you the poem and the credit after, but it's like, come to the edge and it's like, we can, and it's like, come to the edge.
No, we're afraid. And it's like, come to the edge. And the it ends with like, and she pushed him and they flew.
Audra Dinell: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Jeana Marinelli: So she used to read that sort of as a benediction leaders in spaces. But like [00:35:00] I would just ask the woman or the person who's standing at the edge has already walked themself to the edge.
Audra Dinell: Mm-hmm.
Jeana Marinelli: I don't mean the edge in a bad way, but they've already moved from wherever they were standing to the edge. They're contemplating change. Which in different change models is actually the beginning of change process isn't doing the change, it's contemplating the change.
Audra Dinell: Hmm.
Jeana Marinelli: And then how do you, how could you shrink it? It doesn't have to be like, what is a small step or action that moves towards that change without that big black and white binary of like, if I can't do it perfectly and all today, I won't do it at all.
Audra Dinell: Yeah. Oh, so good. Jeana, I wanna have you back for sure. We need part two. Okay. What's next for you as you're headed to Italy? To watch the Olympics. That's amazing.
Jeana Marinelli: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. And I, the, [00:36:00] all of the connections I just made to Arthur, I was like, I'm going back to Italy. I'm going with my dad. We've never traveled together. Never traveled, like we've never traveled, just the two of us together. So I am ready to be dazzled by some excellence and some artistry.
Do some DaVinci connections and wandering around. Really, really excited to see like the US figure skating team. But I'm, I'm going back to the like, wandering and noticing. And actually I'm gonna take what, you know, there's a bad of stuff over here packed to figure out what goes with us. But I'm taking something from you of the like. What's the next, right? Yes. In this trip, not how to like, make everything perfect, but like what's the next, right? Yes. So that's what's next. And I'm like, I cry [00:37:00] at at wonderful things all the time. Which did not used to be true, like I feel like it's a coming into myself that it's like I see joy and beauty and cry like a friend's voice.
Note yesterday made me cry
Audra Dinell: Yeah.
Jeana Marinelli: gratitude.
Audra Dinell: Yeah, I, I am the same. I used to not like to cry in front of my best friend, my husband, and now I cry freely and all the time, and it feels just so good. And it does feel like a becoming of like, I'm allowing myself to have this feeling, whether it be of sadness or of empathy or of joy. I cry all the time as well, and I'm proud of it.
Love a good tear.
Jeana Marinelli: I love that.
Audra Dinell: Where can people find you?
Jeana Marinelli: They can find me on my website, marelli com, which is spelled J-E-A-N-A.
Audra Dinell: Yes.
It'll be linked in the show notes.
Thank you so much for spending time with us before your big trip. Thank you for showing up. Messy,
Jeana Marinelli: thank you. And I can't wait.[00:38:00]
Audra Dinell: same.