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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Crazy Hockey Dads podcast episode 30.
Scott:Three zero. Jeez. 30. 30.
Jamie:Yeah. We've been doing this for that long already?
Scott:Thirty weeks?
Jamie:Thirty weeks.
Scott:No. That's not true. No. Weeks ish. Nope.
Scott:Less.
Jamie:Yeah. Well, we
Scott:haven't Twenty six weeks.
Jamie:We haven't really
Scott:It doesn't matter.
Jamie:It's whatever.
Scott:Yeah. It's the next one. Next next episode.
Jamie:But it's crazy. We're the thirty's decent number.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. I'll take it. Hey. I'll I'll every every new episode is is great.
Jamie:Yes. It is. Yeah. So I hope everybody had a nice weekend. I hope everybody's teams did well.
Jamie:I hope your kids did well. I hope you did well.
Scott:Because not all
Jamie:of us did. Not all of us did so well this weekend, but yeah. How about that?
Scott:Yeah. Well, we we'll dive into those stories, but, you know, one thing we did forget to mention Yeah. Was that Crazy Hockey Dads is.
Jamie:Oh, sorry.
Scott:I totally dropped podcast for hockey parents. No politics, no sugarcoating, just real talk for hockey parents in the trenches.
Jamie:Drop the ball, and you highlighted it and everything.
Scott:I highlighted it. Totally dropped the ball. You did.
Jamie:I was so more interested in talking about the weekend than doing that. Yeah. You Clearly.
Scott:Playing not not paying much attention.
Jamie:Clearly. But that's why you're here.
Scott:Well, that's why the
Jamie:That's why you're here.
Scott:Aren't you right? Two heads are better than one sometimes.
Jamie:Especially when you're shoulder checking. When you do shoulder checking. Especially when you're shoulder checking in the corner.
Scott:Yes. What do you mean?
Jamie:Like, if if you have two heads, you can look over both shoulders at the same time in the Yes.
Scott:Yeah. Totally. Because that's normal.
Jamie:Right. Well, because because my kid had to shoulder check. My god. My kid had to shoulder check quite a bit this weekend because they started hitting.
Scott:They started hitting.
Jamie:Yeah. Which is sad. I'm like, you know, shutting my phone You
Scott:just turn that shit off, dude.
Jamie:I know. Seriously. I don't know how it gets it's like Yes,
Scott:you do.
Jamie:No, I don't.
Scott:What do you mean?
Jamie:It it the silent mode, I I keep turning it off and it keeps I don't know. Don't even ask me.
Scott:I won't.
Jamie:I need a phone. That's not the answer. That is not the answer. The answer is I don't In this case, it is the It is not. I need a
Scott:new phone when an alert goes off.
Jamie:Speaking of, I just bought my kid a phone for the first time.
Scott:That was you know what they call that? Giving in? A mistake. Oh, tell me about it.
Jamie:Yeah. I'm well aware of that. I I held out for this long. Yep. You know?
Jamie:Yeah. Although I must say, when he comes back in we bought it from him and he came in the house and I'm like, Dom, as soon as you get in the house, it goes on the kitchen counter and it stays there. So he goes then later on that night, went to go get it and bring it upstairs. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm like, it doesn't go upstairs.
Jamie:I'm like, it stays on the kitchen counter. He's like, dad, the whole idea of me having a phone is so my friends can text me and I'm like, No.
Scott:No. No. That's not the whole idea.
Jamie:I go, No. I go, That's actually not the idea at all. I go, That's exact opposite of actually why you have a phone.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:I'm like, You have a phone so we can find you and contact you in case of an emergency and stuff like that.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:That's why you have a phone.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:And that's so you can text your friends.
Scott:And when you're in the house, we know exactly where you are.
Jamie:Right. Yeah. Right. And and exactly where your phone is.
Scott:But does he sell he sells a watch? He does. Which is cellular? Like, you can get calls on it? Yes.
Scott:Okay. So and can he text on it?
Jamie:Yes.
Scott:So that's what the watch is for, for texting his friends, not the phone. That's a rebuttal.
Jamie:Yeah. I suppose. It's just he he does talk to text on his watch just because the things the keyboard's
Scott:so tiny. No doubt.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. But but yeah. So we got him a phone, unfortunately. Alright.
Scott:Well Yeah.
Jamie:He needed it for school. I'm not gonna lie, though.
Scott:I okay. You if you say so.
Jamie:You're just placating me now?
Scott:I well, do you want me I I strongly disagree.
Jamie:I do. I do too. Trust me. I disagree.
Scott:No. But I but I also I I mean, I don't know the
Jamie:I disagree with my decision as well. You think I'm kidding? I didn't wanna
Scott:do this. But I think I disagree with the fact that he needs it for school. What the hell does he need it for school for? In when they go to school, like, at home in your house, it goes on the kitchen counter. It goes into the locker.
Scott:It goes away so people are not distracted. Correct or incorrect?
Jamie:No. This is correct.
Scott:It's correct. So he didn't need it for school. Not even a little. But that's okay. This is awful.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen.
Jamie:It's awful.
Scott:It's it like, he's bound to get a phone at some point. And and and while while this is fun, And I'm sorry.
Jamie:No. None apologies necessary.
Scott:Yeah. Everything is gonna be okay?
Jamie:I'm not worried because he's pretty much on lockdown with it, so I'm not exactly worried. You know what I mean? Like, I'm I'm really not worried. I'm not worried.
Scott:You're gonna find out all the things.
Jamie:I don't wanna find out all the things. I want I don't want to know the things. So how was your weekend? Never never mind never mind my kid's
Scott:phone. Well, my son did not not get a phone. He did not get a phone.
Jamie:Your son did not get a phone.
Scott:He did not get a phone. Although, I will say this was funny. Today, he his I his iPad broke. Not today, but we've got him a replacement. And we have an app on the the the iPad Right.
Scott:That can control what he sees, what he doesn't see. Like, you know, it's got all these filters and blockers, and we can turn it off and give him more time and all that bullshit. So in any event, so I'm putting he got the new device, so I'm putting this app back on the the iPad so we can have control of
Jamie:it. Right.
Scott:And I'm looking at his text messages Yeah. And I click on one between him and his friend
Jamie:Oh, boy.
Scott:And I see a picture of Otto sitting in a Ferrari in the driver's seat. And I was like
Jamie:Clever. Whoever does that is pretty clever. No. Are you shaking the table?
Scott:Yes.
Jamie:Either that or there's a a another earthquake.
Scott:No. My knee is firmly touching the bottom Isn't of the it? And when I laugh, my knee's moving.
Jamie:So can I just tell you, like, I feel I wasn't sure if was you or an earthquake because my microphone keeps swaying next to my face?
Scott:Anyway, I'll take my knee off of there. Appreciate it. That should alleviate all those problems. So
Jamie:in any event, he's sitting in the driver Ferrari.
Scott:He's in the driver's seat of a Ferrari.
Jamie:He has syndrome, Riz.
Scott:It. Stop it. In any event inside.
Jamie:In any event funny. It was unfucking.
Scott:It was funny. So in any event, that was surprising. And my only hope is that the person who owns that Ferrari gave him permission
Jamie:to
Scott:sit
Jamie:on Ferrari. Wait. Wait. So he literally jumped into a Ferrari? He was literally sitting in a Ferrari.
Jamie:No. He was
Scott:literally sitting in a Ferrari.
Jamie:Was this this weekend?
Scott:It was yesterday morning at eleven.
Jamie:You have any idea how he got into the front?
Scott:The only thing the only context that I have is the picture of him sitting in the driver's seat. Stop. I swear to god. Here. I'll show you the picture.
Jamie:Well, that's funny, Scott.
Scott:No. Well, I mean I mean, it's funny if he got permission to do it.
Jamie:It's it's kinda it's kinda funny even if Oh he my goodness gracious. Yes. Oh, is that Ferrari. It's on the it was parked on the street?
Scott:Yeah. And it's a convertible and the top's down. So, I mean, in theory, he could have let himself in, I suppose. I don't even know how far I've never sat
Jamie:in a Ferrari.
Scott:I have. Yeah? Well, that's amazing for both of you. You and my son have another thing in common.
Jamie:Don't worry. You're you're not missing much.
Scott:Okay. Anyway, so I think we're let's so the weekend the weekend was full. So we were away on vacation. We flew back.
Jamie:And Oh, right. That's right. You guys were away.
Scott:So Otto missed this first two games
Jamie:How'd that go?
Scott:Of him missing the games? Well, listen. I told the coach, you know, as soon as, like, we were on the team and whatever, I said, listen. This was booked a year ago. It's my dad's eightieth birthday, and we're gonna be out of town with my family.
Scott:So
Jamie:You guys took two l's. Right?
Scott:We took two l's.
Jamie:It's all your fault.
Scott:And then the next two games when I was back, they got two w's. It's all your fault.
Jamie:Do you feel guilty?
Scott:No. I don't feel guilty. You should. Why?
Jamie:I'm just kidding.
Scott:No. I don't feel guilty. It would look. It would have been nice if he was there, but it's just that's not the way it worked out.
Jamie:Listen. You need to go to the eightieth birthday. That's important.
Scott:Yeah. No. For sure. And yeah. So in any event Yeah.
Scott:No. It's important. So when we got back, flew we flew what?
Jamie:It's not
Scott:still my fault. Get out of here.
Jamie:Nobody goes on vacation during hockey season. I'm just joking.
Scott:I mean, that that's
Jamie:But nobody goes on vacation during hockey season.
Scott:Oh, okay. Okay. Well, then I you know, label me as you will. Judge me as you'd like. I'm
Jamie:just kidding.
Scott:I we prioritize family over hockey. Of course. I'm just kidding. I'm Of course. We we flew
Jamie:important than a hockey game.
Scott:We flew back. We got to the airport. We took an Uber to the car. We got in the car. We drove to another state, and then we made it in time for the game.
Scott:And he played his first game Saturday night. And yeah, man. So this is my first taste of him playing down at tier two. And, look, there are clear differences. There's no doubt.
Jamie:Yeah. No. You're right.
Scott:Clear differences You're not wrong. Skating, team play. And I'm not talking about Otto's team specifically, although there there there is truth to that as well. But just broadly speaking from the other games that I watch Right. You know, there was it's it's it's different.
Scott:And that's okay. It is different. Yeah.
Jamie:No. You're right.
Scott:And there's nothing wrong with it at all. Little
Jamie:more time, little more space.
Scott:Which which Otto took advantage of. And so
Jamie:Sounds like it.
Scott:Yeah. He had he had listen. He he he put a bunch a bunch a few points on the board. Good. No.
Scott:It's good. And he felt good. He had fun. Nice. I think there are things, you you know, from from him specifically that Mhmm.
Scott:Like, I I think a lot of parents will also empathize with the idea that dude, is that your phone?
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:Jeez. Know, with
Jamie:What's going on?
Scott:With having expectations and then watching the game and then some expectations aren't met and that's frustrating or whatever. And I had those moments as well, no doubt.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:But overall, I think if I keep perspective Right. And I think about what we were looking for
Jamie:Mhmm.
Scott:In this season. And if we take the first two games as kind of like a microcosm
Jamie:Right.
Scott:So the the check boxes that happened. Was Otto one of the better players on the ice? Checkbox, yes. K. Was he having fun?
Scott:All smiles? Checkbox. For the most part. Important. What did he have more time and space on the ice to be a bit more creative?
Scott:Checkbox, Yes. He was doing things that I haven't seen him try to do before. It's awesome. Not all not necessarily advisable all the time, but nonetheless Understood. You know, but this is something I talked about.
Scott:Yeah. Like, the hopes that he would, you know, have more puck touches.
Jamie:No. I know what you mean.
Scott:So all those things were true. And there's, you know, the deficiencies or the holes in the game, which should be plentiful as he's only 10. They're still there. And they matter a little bit less, at tier two. And I think, yeah, we're off to a good start.
Scott:Off to a good start. It's great. The team needs to be coached up. It's a new group of kids. Only four there's, like, five kids from another team that came to this team.
Jamie:Okay.
Scott:There's, like, four kids from
Jamie:The old team?
Scott:The old team.
Jamie:Right. And then everybody else is kinda from everywhere else.
Scott:So I think this team is made up of players from seven different organizations from last season.
Jamie:Oh, interesting. So Oh, interesting.
Scott:It's a whole new cast.
Jamie:And Right. Right. Right. Right. You know?
Jamie:We had a similar makeup.
Scott:You'd you'd expect, you know, like, the the team play to be to not be there A
Jamie:little wonky for the first couple. Yeah. No. That's fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Scott:Yeah. And that was that was obvious. But that's that's, like, also fine. And they ended up splitting. They went two and two on the weekend, and they left on And a high think, yeah, I think it'll be, you know, it should be good.
Jamie:Good. Yeah. Sounds great.
Scott:How about you?
Jamie:It was good. Know? Yeah. It was interesting to see the game when they start hitting.
Scott:Yeah. So You know?
Jamie:First game of actually full on, like, you can hit.
Scott:So with that Yeah. I think I asked you this on the phone because we'll get to that story when we were on the phone.
Jamie:I have no idea what you're talking about.
Scott:Yeah. Right.
Jamie:No idea what you're talking about.
Scott:Nope. Nope. None. But, like so for the kids, was it clear that there were some kids that, like, knew that they could like, they were all about it? They were trying to do it constantly?
Scott:Was it were kids just kind of like playing the normal game and they haven't really caught on to the fact that like, you know, it's it's different to know that you you know, practice and practice hitting. Yeah. But then in the flow of the game to like, you know, have that muscle memory that's gonna take time perhaps for them to get used to saying, oh, now I can throw a body check.
Jamie:You know, I think it was interesting. I wasn't sure what to expect now that the kids can hit. Some of them, like you said, did come out and hit. Right? Some didn't.
Jamie:Some had a hard time angling. Right? And it's a great picture. And it's funny. Like a little bit into the game Yeah.
Jamie:First game, I almost felt like they some of them, like not some. Most of them forgot, like, they were allowed to hit.
Scott:That's what I'm saying. That's what I I was trying to understand.
Jamie:It was interesting. Know, they they, like, they really kind of, like, forgot.
Scott:Because they don't have the muscle memory for it yet. It hasn't been part of the game.
Jamie:So that was different to me. Even Dominic said he didn't know how the hitting part was gonna go. He played with a little bit of he was like a cautious, whatever trepidation, whatever you wanna call it. Right? He wasn't sure how it was gonna go.
Scott:Right. So, like, if you're in the corner now, like, am I about to get blasted? Like, it might be going through his head.
Jamie:So it's funny. There were a bunch
Scott:of boarding calls this weekend. Interesting. Just ill times.
Jamie:Just, like, kids not thinking and just running to the kid when his numbers are literally facing you.
Scott:Well, checking from behind versus boarding is
Jamie:Yeah. Well, yes, true. But there were a lot of boarding calls.
Scott:Yeah, okay.
Jamie:A bunch of boarding calls. And it's funny. A lot of the boarding calls
Scott:went to majors. Interesting. Yeah. We did not have that.
Jamie:We did. Not only that, but a there lot of two and tens or one and a half and
Scott:eight, whatever it is.
Jamie:So there were a bunch of those.
Scott:Interesting.
Jamie:And I guess they're trying to teach the kids how to do you know what I mean? They're trying to show them what is and what isn't okay. What's also interesting, I think I told you this on the phone, was if you don't make a play for the hockey puck and you just run through the guy Yep. They call you for penalty. Like, our our defenseman made a really nice hit, but he never made a play for the puck.
Jamie:He he he made a play on the guy carrying the puck but never I guess the the ref explained to him while he was in the box. He's like, you never even looked down at the hockey puck. He just played the body the whole time. So put him in the box.
Scott:But that's what you're supposed to do when you're taking the body. You don't look at the puck and then throw a body You're gonna
Jamie:get no argument from him.
Scott:Follow the guy's chest and then hammer it.
Jamie:A lot of our parents were were in the stands going, what? I thought we were allowed to hit. Like, what's the deal here?
Scott:Such bullshit.
Jamie:So so they're you're not wrong. I mean, you're not wrong. I I I understand what USA so I guess it's a USA hockey rule. Right? So I understand what USA hockey is trying to do.
Jamie:But I think it does not this is going be so annoying. I guess high school is different.
Scott:High school But they're trying to prevent injury? Is that your take on it? I don't know. I'm not sure.
Jamie:Because in my opinion apparently, school does not do that. High school, you can open ice somebody.
Scott:Right. But you're also not at high school yet.
Jamie:Listen. You can still open ice somebody. You just have to make a play for the puck.
Scott:But so what so what in in that set, what does that look like? Is that, like, you're clearly extending your arm with your stick to try to make a poke check
Jamie:type of They want you to play the hockey puck. Now okay. And so here's the flip side of the coin. Right? Depending on what ref you had Yeah.
Jamie:Sometimes that didn't get called. Sometimes it did.
Scott:Well, because it's subjective to begin with, of course it's going to
Jamie:be inconsistent. No question about it, right? So obviously, depending on who the ref was, it was depending on who was going get called or not. So that was different, right? So you are allowed to hit, but now the kids are kind of pulling up a little bit because they're like, Oh my god, I not looking down the hockey puck?
Jamie:Do I have to have my stick unpuck? So it was different. It was cool. I'm not going to lie, I like the game so much better when you can hit. It's cool.
Scott:It starts to feel like a real hockey
Jamie:It's it's cool. Even my wife was like, I like this.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. And some of the parents were like, oh oh oh, Johnny. Oh, you know what
Scott:I'm I will say this
Jamie:to that. Some kids were getting lit up too. It was I
Scott:I I was at I was watching a game. By coincidence, one of Otto's former teammates
Jamie:Right.
Scott:We were we had a game at the same building that his older brother happened to be playing after us. Like, total coincidence. His brother at the time was 16 u and we were in the corner and we were just watching kids on puck retrievals Mhmm.
Jamie:Getting Just absolutely annihilated. Right?
Scott:Annihilated. Yeah. Yeah. And we're like, you're you're up close and you're just like, that's someone's child.
Jamie:That's that's what that's why I said before, we two heads are better than one to shoulder check because my god, they come fast. Like like, I saw Dominic shoulder checking regularly. Yeah. Like, I mean
Scott:But, I mean, that's good habit
Jamie:anyway, No question about it. But but he he he used to he's done it forever, but now you actually need to do it. Right. You know? Because somebody's barreling down on you and and they have to communicate too, like,
Scott:you know, know, like, man on man on man man
Jamie:on common or whatever they're saying. You know? But, yeah, it it was it was good.
Scott:So what happens when you're on a retrieval? Let's say, the defenseman is going in, the puck was dumped in, and you've got an f one bearing down
Jamie:on you. Dominic did it to somebody in the first
Scott:game. But my question is, what if if you're the defenseman and you reverse hit? Of course, got it. What do mean of course? You're not playing the puck on a reverse hit.
Scott:You know what I'm saying?
Jamie:Fair. Like you said before? I mean, listen, I suppose Zero puck play. People who think you're doing
Scott:is or you don't even yet.
Jamie:I mean, don't know the answer to that, Scott. You're that's a very good point because if technically, if you're you're following USA Hockey's new rule
Scott:Then that's a penalty.
Jamie:Then that's a penalty. Or are they gonna be actually So
Scott:can't so you can't protect yourself in that situation. You have to eat it. Is that kind of what
Jamie:Or are they not gonna be pussies and actually let the defenseman throw a shoulder?
Scott:I mean
Jamie:They should let the defense you have to be able to protect yourself. Right?
Scott:That's protecting yourself. And and I think there is a difference there. Like, if you we talk about it like that. The defenseman's protecting himself, whereas if there's an open ice hit and you're just going after the guy you're
Jamie:I would think that they would not call penalty there. I would hope that they would not.
Scott:I would hope not
Jamie:to. Yeah. But listen, I'll let you know as it winds on here. But I'm not going to lie, was cool to watch. So all of you who started hitting this weekend, it's fun.
Scott:Dude, I'm looking forward
Jamie:Yeah, it's to neat. Not going lie. Not going to lie. It's pretty neat.
Scott:Yeah. So so let's let's a little good segue into Saturday night.
Jamie:I have no idea what you're talking about.
Scott:Saturday night.
Jamie:So I don't know what
Scott:you're me just remind you. So I I get a phone call.
Jamie:What phone call?
Scott:Jesus. I get a phone call and and in short in short, you are on the other end losing your mind
Jamie:I don't
Scott:remember over what you were witnessing.
Jamie:I don't remember this.
Scott:And you took advice. You left the rink and you phoned a friend when you were having a mini meltdown.
Jamie:Because they didn't have a fifty fifty left, I
Scott:had
Jamie:to Right. Phone a
Scott:You had to. Yeah.
Jamie:I had no choice.
Scott:So here you are. Dominic had a solid, more than solid weekend. And you've come to learn that in retrospect.
Jamie:I have.
Scott:And but what was going what what happened? And what were you go what what was happening for you when you started to lose it?
Jamie:So I think that I you know, it's funny. He he he was you know, it's funny. Like like we talk about how you know, you you just see the negative things and you don't see the positive things.
Scott:Totally.
Jamie:You know?
Scott:That's like, wow.
Jamie:Yeah, Which I 100% not all the time, but I do it. So it's funny how you as a parent get so wound up on effort level. You know what I mean? Where you're not happy with your kid's effort level. And again, probably should have given him some slack, by the way, because he even said, Dad, I needed the first one or two games to figure the hitting part out.
Jamie:I wasn't sure how I was going to go. And I think all the kids were a little cautious in those first two games. So the first two games, he it was the first two games into the third game.
Scott:Okay. Wait. Wait. It was the first two games going into the third Right. Right.
Scott:Exactly. Going into the right. Where you'd started.
Jamie:Oh, it was halfway you're halfway through the third game.
Scott:And you had a mini. Did. A mini about that.
Jamie:Did have a mini. I did. In retrospect, I don't know why I did. I don't know. I kept telling him to try to warm up his hands before the games.
Jamie:You know what I mean? Go through your warm ups with purpose. You know what I mean? And he wasn't. And I didn't say anything to him, but it carried over onto the ice.
Jamie:Right. It carried over during the game.
Scott:But what is it in that sentence? His hand he didn't have soft hands?
Jamie:Right. He was wonky. Right? Like, he wasn't playing with purpose. He was slow and kinda clunky.
Jamie:Now the puck still went in the net a couple times. Right? He had points out of it but it was sloppy. You know what I mean? Should it matter that it's sloppy?
Jamie:In retrospect probably not. But it could have been so much more crisp. And when you know your kid can play like that, more crisp and clean, I guess you just kind of wish that they would warm up the right way and take it serious. And I guess they will at some point in time. But I get frustrated, super frustrated.
Scott:Right. Because you weren't getting what you were expecting, what you wanted.
Jamie:And I have to tell you, and I think I told you this, I went back and I rewatched that third game, the game where I left and I called you during. And in retrospect, I am such a dick because after the third game, he had nine points?
Scott:Nine points in three games.
Jamie:And I I looked at that. I'm like I'm like, you are such an asshole. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, nine points. Like, what the fuck are complaining about?
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Like, what kind of a schmuck are you?
Scott:Well, look. I I
Jamie:Right? It's like, yes and no. See the forest through the trees.
Scott:You didn't see the forest through
Jamie:the blue? And I don't know why I didn't. Well It so foolish and stupid.
Scott:Like, I I You know?
Jamie:Really, it was foolish. I I didn't tell him any of this, by the way.
Scott:Right. Which is good on you.
Jamie:Yeah. Didn't. And I didn't Wait.
Scott:Did he know that you left the rink? No. He didn't? No. How do you know he didn't know?
Jamie:Because he was asking me about hits that he threw while I was like, he didn't know it was didn't know was gone.
Scott:He'd tell him solid. He I was
Jamie:don't know what said.
Scott:I don't
Jamie:what I said. I think Yeah. They were great. He did not know. Nancy's like, of course he knew.
Jamie:I'm like, no, he didn't. Really? Because I was kinda moving around a bunch. You know what I mean? So I don't think he did.
Scott:Do you normally do that?
Jamie:Just recently, I am. I have. Interesting. Yeah. So, yeah.
Jamie:So I I I yeah. So think I don't think he knew.
Scott:Interesting. Because what I was gonna say is the the points
Jamie:He'll know if he listens to this.
Scott:That's true. That's true. He will know. Now he will know.
Jamie:Now both of kids seem to be listening all of a sudden.
Scott:Yeah. My dad they're like, my dad. Jesus, what's wrong with me? My son is giving me, like, Howie's discount codes on the sidewalk. Like, hey, dad.
Jamie:Crazy 10. He's like, dad, you need laces? Crazy 10. Crazy 10. Totally.
Jamie:He's like, dad, don't buy it here. You get 10% off elsewhere. Totally.
Scott:Anyway, but no. Look. So I will say this. Your son has played really high level hockey, and he is a talented player. And and No.
Scott:He's got ability. But in terms of your own frustration Yeah. Like, I think it's clear, especially coming off the like, last season that he's a proven goal scorer and putting points on the board is not something that should necessarily take for granted. And it's clearly a signal that he's, like, influencing the game. But if you were to tell me, like, look, yes, I get that and, you know, I I don't want to Yeah.
Scott:I I I want to acknowledge that. You can still be upset about, like, you know, if there's really a lack of effort. And I and you said earlier just talking about, I think of all the things
Jamie:Right.
Scott:That is is fair to get bent out of shape about Mhmm. I think effort is a reasonable one because it doesn't it transcends not just sport. It transcends, like, you know, you you want your kids to work hard. You want your kids to compete at a high level. And when I say a high level, I don't mean, like Right.
Scott:Be, like, the the best player. Yeah. No. I know what mean. You you want them to have some dog in them.
Scott:You want them to be resilient. You want them to, like, work hard every shift. And, of course, it's not gonna happen a 100% of the time. No.
Jamie:No. But You're
Scott:right. Effort is 100% within their control. It's not like you're getting annoyed at him for, like, even even if it was a technical skill like stick handling or shooting or edge work, that's not something that he just might not be there yet. And I guess the same could be said The magic trick. Yeah.
Scott:The same could be said about or true for effort. But you can decide to move your legs faster no matter how well you skate.
Jamie:Yes. You can. How tired you are. Right. And I have to tell you, I wanna make this clear.
Jamie:When I talk about effort with my child, it's not only ice hockey. You know, ice hockey was just a thing at the moment, but I've gotten frustrated with Dominic for not this kid sounds so stupid, but not giving effort when he, like, brushes his teeth or, like, puts on his sneakers.
Scott:Like, like I I
Jamie:like, my kid takes the path of least resistance. So he'll brush his teeth for ten
Scott:seconds. Seconds. Is that really brushing you?
Jamie:No, dude. That's not how it
Scott:works.
Jamie:So it's everything. It's not just ice hockey. It's everything. No doubt. And we talk about this as life skills for our children.
Jamie:Our children are doing this to develop life skills.
Scott:You want them to learn how to do hard things.
Jamie:Hard things. Because when they get older, they will have to do these things to And be successful in we want our kids to be successful in life, so we want them to learn how to do these skills at a young age. So you want them to exhibit these skills and learn these skills at a young age so they can carry it on moving forward and become really, really good people and successful people.
Scott:Right? You want to see that in different situations. 100%. Like in the bathroom brushing your teeth.
Jamie:It's everything. On the ice On
Scott:ice, when you're doing your homework.
Jamie:When you're doing your schoolwork. Correct. All of it. And I want him to be prepared. Was kind of irritated with him because I wanted him to warm up the right way and do the things you need to do to prepare, not just for ice hockey, for business, for school, for whatever.
Jamie:You need to prepare correctly. If you don't prepare for a job interview, if you don't prepare for a business phone call, if you don't prepare for a hockey game, if you don't prepare for, I don't know, a speech you're making. You know what I'm saying? You have to prepare and you have to put time in and prepare the right way for things in life. So I wasn't mad.
Jamie:It happens to come out in ice hockey, right, this weekend? But I was irritated because he wasn't preparing in my eyes the right way and it was hurting him on the ice.
Scott:Let me
Jamie:because that's what I saw.
Scott:So two years older than Otto, but my rebuttal or what can't find the right word. But when you talk about preparing the right way, I mean, we're talking about youth sports. And we're talking Right. You know, we've had conversations about how early specialization and the early professionalization of like children is like something that sucks the fun right out of the game. So Right.
Scott:There there's a line to be walked with that. And my question for you is, do you think that your expectations of what is right for him Aren't they great? Do they align with a kid who's playing a sport? Or do they align with a kid who's not being professional enough?
Jamie:So they align my child tells me that he wants to play like he tells me he wants to go to the NHL, right? And listen, that's wonderful and all. But he tells me wants to play, like, d one hockey. Yeah. That probably is an attainable goal.
Jamie:Not saying that the NHL is not. Right? But the numbers are obviously very minuscule.
Scott:Even d yeah.
Jamie:Of course. Yeah. Right? So but so if you wanna play any college hockey, d one, two, or three
Scott:Let's just call it
Jamie:college hockey. Yeah. College hockey. Right? He wants to play at the next level above high school.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:So if he really wants that, so we're showing him the tools to to attain that. Yep. Right? So he says he wants to do this. And I always tell him dumb talk is cheap.
Jamie:You've to put your money where your mouth is. You could want something, which is great. So I'm trying to show him and again, this is a life skill. You want something. You want to go start a business.
Jamie:You want to go start, I don't know, whatever it is. If you want something, you've got to go work toward it. So you have to prepare the right way and you have to work hard, you have to do the right things to attain your goal. So when he tells me that and you give them the tools to be able to go after that and when they don't do it, it's frustrating as a parent. And again, life skill.
Jamie:It just happens to come out in hockey a lot. But again, could give you a gazillion examples of him brushing his teeth, combing his hair, putting on shoes, socks. I could give cleaning his room. Could give you a bazillion things.
Scott:Totally get it.
Jamie:But we're just talking about hockey right now.
Scott:But here so my so but what you're expecting of him, like, the the right way of preparing, that level of preparation necessary for him right now? Because It's he
Jamie:probably not. And I think I'm probably foolish to want him to do it all. But you know what? Pick one thing and do it. Right?
Jamie:Hydrate yourself. You know what I mean? My kid does not hydrate himself.
Scott:No. My kid doesn't because he simply can't find a water bottle ever. Funny you
Jamie:said that. My kid doesn't even take his water bottle on the ice.
Scott:Because he forgets or because he doesn't
Jamie:So he my kid has left because of his ADHD, he's probably left a 100 water bottles on the bench.
Scott:Yep.
Jamie:So he just so in order to not leave it on the bench, he just doesn't take it.
Scott:Does he use other kids' water bottles? Because that's a strategy a kid on Otto's team last year used.
Jamie:So I said to him
Scott:He's like, I'll just take it. I knew someone else's Yeah.
Jamie:Ex this we had this conversation literally before we went to this weekend showcase. I go, Tom, I go, so what do you do? Because I said, do you want your water bottle? No. I don't need it.
Jamie:Like, okay. You don't need it. I'm like, so what exactly are you doing? It's my wife's birthday. My fucking
Scott:Happy birthday, Nancy.
Jamie:My my text thing is exploding. Sorry, people. Why is
Scott:yours if it's her birthday?
Jamie:Because it's our neighbors and it's exploding. Oh. Yeah, yeah. All on it. So popular.
Jamie:It's our neighbors. So I said to him, go, Dom, you need to hydrate. He goes, I do hydrate. I go, how? You don't have a water bottle.
Jamie:He goes, dad, he goes, I use other people's. I go, do you really? He goes, yeah. I go, I go, and they just let you? He goes, well they don't know that I'm using it.
Jamie:I go, what are doing? I go, he goes, when they're out there on their shift, I grab their So water I said to him, I go, Do you really? He goes, Yeah. I go, Tom, I go, Have you ever like just grabbed like XYZ water bottle and you put it and you started like drinking from it and it was something like other than water? He's like, Yeah.
Jamie:He's like, one of my teammates' electrolyte water sucks. He's like, it's garbage. He's like, it's awful. He can
Scott:give you, like, a review on his teammates', like, beverage choices.
Jamie:He goes he goes he goes in he goes in the one he goes he goes, the one waters down his Gatorade with he goes, that's terrible. He goes, but man, that electrolyte water is awful. That's what he said to That
Scott:is so funny.
Jamie:I forgot who it was but I go, really? Goes, He goes, daddy, I'm strategic about it. I go, are you now? That's good. So he grabs other people's he's been doing it for a while too.
Scott:You know, that's probably not. This is I mean Yeah. Yeah. Like even At least he's hydrating. Suppose.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:But yes. How do we even get on the water bottle topic? Oh, so he doesn't take a water bottle. That's a perfect example.
Scott:Oh, of preparation. Of preparation.
Jamie:It worked out, right? It's a perfect example. So I want him to prepare the right way. Want him to Listen, we all want our kids to do this stuff. This is not just me.
Jamie:But then when the lack of preparation limits your ability to play
Scott:Your potential, right.
Jamie:Or do whatever. It doesn't have to be hockey. It could be, again, giving a speech. It could be
Scott:Doing well on an exam.
Jamie:Studying for a test. It could be cleaning your room. Whatever it is, you're not doing it to your full potential. You're kind of half assing it, right?
Scott:But aren't kids allowed to half ass some stuff?
Jamie:Listen, I suppose they are, right? But at some point in time, you're gonna need to start doing things the right way because you don't wanna grow up and be somebody who just shortcuts.
Scott:Yeah. And I think about that and I think about myself and I think about the way I was.
Jamie:The shortcuts. You know what I mean? Shortcuts are are you don't want you don't want a shortcut.
Scott:I've I've definitely found though, and tell me if you have as well, that it's you plant the seed and it takes a little while for it to grow.
Jamie:Of
Scott:course. And there's there's a few things for sure that like with auto that even still he does question about I'm not thinking of a good example right now. But I know that for years we've said x and finally it catches. Right? So
Jamie:And it does for the most part.
Scott:And so part of it's like a developmental thing. And part of it is, you know, but I think the important part about what we're talking about and that's, you know, taking shortcuts, putting forth effort. And I think that's also where I get tripped up sometimes is because I feel like I'm saying it for the fucking hundredth thousandth whatever time Because
Jamie:you are.
Scott:Because I am.
Jamie:Because you are.
Scott:And it's still not happening. Yeah. But I would you know, my hope is that with time yep. Another ding. With with time, like, it'll eventually, you know, sink in and, you know, whatever.
Scott:But, you know, like, my one of my examples for like, to this is when Otto lines up in the face off
Jamie:Right.
Scott:Dude doesn't put his stick down on the ice, and it drives me fucking bananas.
Jamie:He has it on his hip?
Scott:Yeah. He just yeah. He's got two hands on the stick, he's just, like, holding it, like, you know, across his legs.
Jamie:You know, I think that that changes as they get older because Dominic
Scott:is But you know what I noticed? Like, all the other kids on this team or on the ice are doing it. Yeah. So so my point is is that like that's something like I can say until I'm blue in the face. And you know, I I don't know.
Scott:Am I gonna ream him out for him? Am I gonna come down? Like, I I Yeah. No. I know that's like my
Jamie:kid did too.
Scott:And you have you have to like pick and choose your battles. Right? Like, everything I I'm not willing to die on that hill. Like, that's not one of them right now. It wasn't.
Scott:There was a moment in time where it was. But
Jamie:So and I get that. I I did so you wanna tell you something a funny story, not a story, but a kind of and and a thing that Dominic used to do. So Dominic graduated from having the stick blade down all the time. So the stick was upside down
Scott:When all the he was skating?
Jamie:Yeah. It was upside down.
Scott:Why? Was You just talking turn it?
Jamie:Yeah. The blade was always upside down.
Scott:So it was like, interesting. Down towards the ice.
Jamie:So we went from that to the stick on the hip Mhmm. Right, the, like, skating when it went on the hip to having it like But as he gets older, it got closer to the ice.
Scott:Well, that's a good sign. He turned His arms got
Jamie:from rotating down to the right way. And then it went down. And it was at the hips. And it was at like the the knees and now it's on the ground. Yeah.
Jamie:Now it's
Scott:on the ice. Well, listen, I'm sure it'll change for Otto also.
Jamie:But man, that hook down toward the ice, the Fucking
Scott:madness. Because you and I think it's like how how simple is that? It is simple. And you know, like, part of, like, what we're talking about in terms of being prepared
Jamie:That's not being prepared. Why you're on while you're playing, that is not
Scott:being prepared. That's not being prepared. No. And and that's something that would drive a coach bonkers. Would or maybe it doesn't.
Scott:I don't know what feedback he's getting on the bench.
Jamie:What I noticed about this game at a youth level, these kids go through these stupidest little phases. For the most part, they all seem to disappear. They do.
Scott:As so many things in life that are
Jamie:Some just like bad habits will stay, but for the most part, lot this crap goes away.
Scott:And look, that's exactly why I'm not that's why it's not a hill that I'm willing to die on.
Jamie:No. It shouldn't be.
Scott:But I'm, you know, I'm more willing to speak up when it comes to effort. I understand that. And in that regard, one of the things that I wanted to so we use Helios, right? The whatever you call it.
Jamie:The tracker.
Scott:The tracker, which is great. And so one of the benefits of Helios is that it cuts your kid's shifts. Like, if you upload the video of the game For
Jamie:those of you who don't know what Helios is, Helios is a monitor that goes on the shoulder
Scott:It's a wearable technology that you wear in your shoulder pads, it tracks your kid's movement. And it gives you metrics on agility, average speed, maximum speed, balance, among a few other things.
Jamie:And it links to LiveBarn and BlackBear TV and all your closed circuit TV systems. And it cuts your shifts up.
Scott:Correct.
Jamie:So it will actually cut if your kid's on the ice, it will recognize the tracker and it will record your kid's shift.
Scott:Yes. So it lines up, I guess, at timestamps or whatever it does.
Jamie:Right. For those of you who don't understand what Helios is.
Scott:Right. And it's a pretty cool technology. Check it out. So he wears it and
Jamie:Helios, call us. We'll get a partnership going.
Scott:Actually, you know, but I when we first onboarded it, like when auto like a couple years ago, I and I was coaching. Right. I had some questions about team, like, subscriptions and blah blah blah. Yeah. And I spoke with the founder and super nice guy.
Jamie:Oh, you spoke to him already?
Scott:This was used a couple years ago.
Jamie:Call us.
Scott:Listen, they got Matt Neiz. Matt Neiz is their guy.
Jamie:Dude, Matt Neiz is a rock star.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:Yo, Helios, let's go. Give us
Scott:a So anyhow
Jamie:Have your people call our people.
Scott:Which is really me.
Jamie:I was saying,
Scott:we don't have people just yet. But yeah, you get the point.
Jamie:We will have people.
Scott:And so I don't know is that like we have his shifts. Yeah. And so I said to him like, look, dude, I would love to show you some things. I'm not gonna make you every weekend scheduled. You know, I would love love it to come from you.
Scott:Right. If there's something that's like super glaring, you know, I'm gonna ask you. I'd like to show it to you. That's cool. You know, what do you think?
Scott:And his I was expecting to be like, yeah. Totally. Awesome. Let's do that. He's like, nah.
Scott:And he was like, you know, I I guess it'll make me better. And I'm like, what do you mean you guess? Of course, it's gonna make you better. So why why are why do you not want that? Because similarly, like when you were saying before that Dominic says he wants to go to the NHL and like Otto says things similarly and blah blah blah.
Scott:Yeah. They all say. So like, are are your actions aligning with your goals? And clearly, we're talking about Probably young children. Yes.
Scott:And so Otto's actions should not necessarily be the same actions that someone who's like 16 and trying Correct. To go to a D But my point is that there's some low hanging fruit that like if I could just Can
Jamie:it be fixed?
Scott:Let me take it for
Jamie:10 It probably won't even take that long.
Scott:Probably won't even take that long. No. So when I didn't get the answer that I wanted, which was like, yeah, of course, let's totally do it. Yeah. You know, and look, I could have been asking him at a time when he's just like not in the mood.
Scott:Like, there's so many variables. But for me as a crazy hockey parent, I'm like getting like, know, not an I guess, yeah, ultimately, I was annoyed. I was annoyed, but that that that was temporary. And but now my internal debate with all of this is because I do wanna help him. And there's a lot of things that I saw this weekend that are just whether or not they would be fixed, they are easy fixes.
Scott:Simple but not easy. Right. Maybe it'll take a little while for him for it to click while he's in the moment to like do something different. True. True.
Scott:Is fair and fine. Yep. I hear you. But now it's like, how hard do I push if at all about getting him to watch video? So, you know, I even I was thinking to myself, well, you know what?
Scott:Let's just do this. Let's just schedule, like, every Friday, like, you know, or Saturday morning. We'll just, carve out, like, ten minutes, show him some clips. Yeah. Do I just say, like, hey, dude.
Scott:This is what we're doing. Like, lay down the law and make him do it.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:And then get annoyed when he doesn't wanna do it and say, hey, listen, you made an agreement to me and we said we were gonna do this and now you're not holding up your end of the bargain and blah blah blah blah blah.
Jamie:Listen, you could teach him, you could show him that. Do I?
Scott:I could go that route or I could be like, you know what, let me just
Jamie:Probably show him that and do it in a more gentle way too and just unfortunately, except for us, tell him a thousand times and it will click one time.
Scott:Right. Because part of me wants it to come from him. And if it's coming from him I
Jamie:understand that. I think we all do as parents.
Scott:Right. Of course. Of course. So I'm just in my mind thinking about, well, is this something that I should push on? And it's been a real back and forth.
Scott:Sometimes I get frustrated. I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. Fuck it. Whenever he says, hey, dad, let's watch a video because that's happened very few and far between.
Jamie:I get
Scott:it. But then on the other hand, we got back from the weekend. And pretty much as soon as we got home, was like, Dad, do you
Jamie:want to shoot pucks? That's cool.
Scott:And I was like, Sure, let's go shoot pucks.
Jamie:It's funny, Scott. It kind of manifests itself in sometimes different ways. You know what I mean? So maybe it's not him wanting to watch a film, but maybe it's him wanting to go shoot hockey pucks. You know what I'm saying?
Scott:You're right.
Jamie:At this point. So he's obviously doing more. Maybe it's not the more that you were looking for. So maybe it's not going to make his hockey IQ better at the moment, but maybe this will make his shot better. And he clearly wants to shoot because he said to you, let's go shoot hockey pucks.
Jamie:He was clearly a little more enthused about shooting hockey pucks than he was watching a couple minutes of him playing. Right? Also, you know, it's funny. I know Dominic. Dominic never liked to even when he was like since he was like two, Dominic never liked it when he didn't do something right.
Jamie:Yeah. Like, he's always been a hardhead like that. Like, when he did something wrong even when he was a kid, like a two year old, when we tell him we did something wrong, he's like, No, I didn't. And he was adamant not doing it. He's like, I didn't just do that.
Jamie:You're like, Dude, I just saw you do it. He's like, No, I didn't. So for my kid, ever since he's young, he does not like to be told that he's done something incorrectly. So it's been hard to get him to watch film because he never wanted to see things that didn't go well.
Scott:Just
Jamie:recently, and I mean within the last three days, he's seen himself on Blackbird TV and he has a different attitude toward it. He's like, Oh, I should've moved the puck there. Oh, I should've. And this was him watching Right. Didn't say anything But
Scott:he asked to put it on or you were watching
Jamie:I had it on and I was kind of messy because like I told you, I went back and watched his film because I wanted to see if what I was freaking out about was legit or not, if I was just in my own head. Clearly I was in my own head because when I watched the film back, I was 1000% wrong, by the way. I told you I told Nate that too. When I watched his film back
Scott:When you were having your melt The film when you had your meltdown, when you went back and
Jamie:watched it. The first three games back, and I was like, dude, what the fuck was I so bent out of shape about? Like, what the fuck?
Scott:Yeah. Dude, listen. I've seen Don't play. Asshole you are. Like, even just the clip that you were showing me, like, yeah.
Jamie:I was so wrong. I was just being a I I was so in my own head and and and wound up about, like, a small thing.
Scott:And this this this you can trace this back to, like, the way he was warming up and not preparing. Like, that you think that that's the root of, like, you being bent out of shape? Yeah.
Jamie:I do.
Scott:And does he have a history of, like, of not meeting your expectations?
Jamie:Warming up wise?
Scott:Warming up wise?
Jamie:Oh, a 100%.
Scott:Because you would always tell me
Jamie:A 100%.
Scott:You would always tell me, like, I can tell from the moment he gets on the ice and during warm ups if he's gonna have a good game or
Jamie:not. I can tell by Dom when Dominic puts his sticks on the bench, his his backup stick on the bench, and he does a lap around the ice, I can tell you if he's gonna have a good good good game or not.
Scott:Is that And did that hold true this past weekend?
Jamie:Oh yeah, I could tell immediately. Could tell immediately if the balance is there, if the giddy up is there, the speed he's going at, I could tell from a half of a I can tell from the blue line to behind the net what the game's going to look like. Very rarely does it deviate from I've not been wrong many times. Let's put it that way. For whatever reason, I have not been wrong many times.
Jamie:I can tell by his attitude in the car on the way to the rink. I can tell by his attitude when he woke up that morning. I look at Nancy and like, It's not gonna go well. She's You always say that. I'm like, Nancy, tell me, It's not gonna go well.
Jamie:I could tell. I could just tell.
Scott:Yeah. You should probably stop trying to have that conversation with yourself.
Jamie:Which conversation?
Scott:The one like, just like like, oh, like, analyzing all of these things before the game.
Jamie:Oh, well, I don't I don't analyze it. I just notice it.
Scott:But what I'm saying is and I I I'm just I'm I'm making I'm making this up. You told me if it's true or no. But if if you think from the moment he gets out of his bed, let's just say for No. No. That he's gonna have a bad game, You're you're reinforcing this idea in your brain that he's gonna play poorly.
Scott:And the moment you see something that isn't, like, the best version of whatever it is, you know, oh, yeah. I knew it. I fucking knew it.
Jamie:I knew it from the moment Listen. He What you're saying is not wrong. And and and I I can just tell by his attitude Yeah. Toward the day Okay. If it's gonna be because when he does that
Scott:Mhmm.
Jamie:Very rarely does it come back up. If he's here, if he's having a rough go for whatever reason, leading up to game time, very rarely does it go like this. Now that Which is something we've been working on
Scott:Okay, so that's what I was going say.
Jamie:Your head space right and getting out of the funk you're in and turning the switch and changing the direction you're headed.
Scott:Now, another question is that this sounds very professional.
Jamie:It This is we're talking about now we're talking about mindset and we're talking about how your thoughts are.
Scott:So he's he's 13? Yeah. So he's starting to turn a corner in terms of maturity.
Jamie:Yeah. But I don't expect him to be able to control the way he's thinking yet. We're trying, but it's trying. But it's not easy. But but I yeah.
Jamie:I mean, listen. It it's I don't know. I don't have to tell you. But that's what so I got in my head because that which was so unnecessary. Again, when I went back and watched his film and it's funny.
Jamie:Whenever I go back and watch his film, it's never as bad as I remember it being. You know? That's great. Yeah. It's never as bad.
Jamie:So I don't really rush to judgment anymore. I won't say anything to him. But I go back and I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, wasn't nearly
Scott:Like what the fuck was I smoking?
Jamie:Exactly. Right. Now I have a question for you. Yeah. I was thinking about this this weekend.
Jamie:Why do you think that we all care so much about our kids' effort level, our kids' preparation, our kids' training, our kids' eating, our kids' you know, the nutrition because our parents did not care about that stuff. And listen to this. In my opinion, everybody wants more for their kids than they had. Would you agree with that?
Scott:Can you give
Jamie:a little context? Everybody a better life for their children than they have.
Scott:Okay. I think that's Right?
Jamie:Throughout human history. Okay. For the most part, can't imagine most people won't want that. Most people want more for their children
Scott:And than
Jamie:they have I think we as parents see the mistakes that we have made along the lines whether you had talent and you just weren't pushed or you, I don't know, maybe you needed a mentor and you would have kind of taken off. A lot of people in the world have wasted talent. There's a lot of really average people in this world. And that's fine. So my question is why do we care so much?
Jamie:Do you think we care because we want them to be so much better than we did? Because again, I don't remember our parents doing that for us. I'm sure they wanted it but they didn't put the time and effort in my opinion. I used to be able to our parents. I'm sure other parents have done this but I don't know if it's more of a wider spread thing now as opposed to when we were younger it was few and far between.
Jamie:I also think people make more money now than their parents did forty years ago. So maybe there's more money to throw around at this stuff.
Scott:There is but there's also more opportunity to do it. There wasn't as many at least with hockey
Jamie:specifically. The is there for most, not some, not all but you know. So again, my question is why do we care so much about our kids' nutrition, about our kids' preparation, about our kids' training, about them not missing out on an opportunity. Clearly we are pushing our kids because we want them to be successful in whatever they're doing. Yeah.
Jamie:Right? That's why we care about People who don't care about this probably don't push their kids very hard.
Scott:Well, I think the care why do we care? Let's talk about hockey specifically. I mean, I care about the way my son develops as an ice hockey player because it's something that he loves to do, that he's passionate about. Right. He's exhibited ability.
Scott:Mhmm. And he tells me things like he wants to either play AAA or
Jamie:Yeah, but I told my parents that when I was younger. I wanted to play Major League Baseball. I wanted to do this. I told my parents
Scott:that. It's different. No, it's different. Absolutely.
Jamie:Can you agree it's different?
Scott:I I would. But you and I were
Jamie:My parents didn't push me
Scott:Were your parents athletes? No. No? Were my parents athletes? No.
Scott:No. They didn't have any concept. And I don't think either one of my parents is terribly competitive. Although I say that
Jamie:It's funny you mention that because you're right. Your parents were not athletic, neither were mine. But you and I were. Were.
Scott:But Yeah. When so when I think about this, when we see our kids, I think kids don't know.
Jamie:Sorry, that was me.
Scott:No, it's all good. Don't They obviously don't know what they don't know. And I think helping them realize their potential requires some pushing and prodding. And obviously, you can overdo it and exposing them to more indifferent. So you know, ultimately it comes down to I think my own personal competitiveness and his desire to be a good hockey player.
Scott:Mhmm. And the intersection of that is like, well, okay. If you wanna be a good hockey player, that's what you tell me. I'm gonna figure out the things that are gonna help you do that. And I'm gonna invest my time and energy in trying to help you because you're my kid.
Scott:You know? And if it was something else
Jamie:I agree.
Scott:If it was something else like, I don't know, my son does not love, let's just say drawing. Mhmm. Right? So if he's like, oh, I wanna try drawing. Mhmm.
Scott:I'm not gonna like get him private drawing lessons. I'm not gonna you know, because like I at first, if he develops a passion for it Sure. But I will also say this with sports in particular for you and I, like it's something that we love to do True. That we cared about as kids
Jamie:True.
Scott:You know, if my son was like wanting to play the saxophone
Jamie:Mhmm.
Scott:You know, I don't I'm not sure to what extent I would feel competitive for him because I don't, you know, maybe I would, maybe I'd be like, well, could you be in a better orchestra or can you Right. Play a harder piece? Yeah. Maybe those would go through my mind but like I don't don't have a passion for instruments like Yeah. So I don't think that it would just come out of me because I'm passionate about sports What?
Scott:Because I love it and I like to play it.
Jamie:I get that.
Scott:You still play pickleball, I still play hockey, so it's
Jamie:What's something funny is I never played ice hockey. I never had a passion for ice hockey.
Scott:But that's, yes, but you were familiar with it.
Jamie:I was, but I'm very But I never had a passion for ice hockey.
Scott:But you but you had a passion for sports.
Jamie:And and No. No. Yes.
Scott:And if if Otto was playing baseball, a sport that I, like, probably stopped playing after fifth grade or sixth grade Right. You know, I I would probably be similarly invested if this was something you know, if you wanted to do. Yeah. And I'll I'll also say this, you know, from a young age, Dom and Otto were playing triple a. Mhmm.
Scott:And there you get exposed to that world and you see the insanity of it.
Jamie:Oh, yeah.
Scott:And you see how, you know, you see all these things and you see that this is what parents of children who are excelling in a sport are doing and it's that like keeping up with the Joneses thing.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:And you know, we're dialing it well, I mean, I've dialed it back more than you have. Right. Although I was also never as like off the deep end as you, I don't think.
Jamie:Who knows off the deep end?
Scott:Maybe some would categorize it that way. Really? Listen. Off the deep end? Listen.
Scott:Maybe that was a poor poor word choice. Off the deep end. Now I'm not saying that you're crazy, although
Jamie:I off the deep end. We worked. We, like, we trained. Let
Scott:let me let me put it let me put it differently. Okay. Off the deep end. So if that came off insulting, I didn't No.
Jamie:No. I'm not I'm not insulting.
Scott:Trust me. What I'm trying
Jamie:There's a lot more to insult me. Trust me. I'm not I'm not insulting. I just don't know if I look at it that way.
Scott:I would say this. The the the He worked hard. No question
Jamie:about it.
Scott:No. But okay. But the amount of hockey
Jamie:Mhmm.
Scott:That you gave to your child Right. At younger ages, I would put you in, like, you know, the 1%.
Jamie:There are very
Scott:few people who did what you've done with him in ice hockey between the academy and
Jamie:Listen, there's a bunch of us. You know what I mean?
Scott:But would you agree that's not even within the sport of hockey, you're still on the the end of the spectrum that, like I'm I'm not You did a lot more than
Jamie:There's no question. Than most. I'm definitely on the did a lot more than There's no question.
Scott:So so when I
Jamie:say on one end of the curve, you're a 100%
Scott:right. So I'm not saying that you're off the deep end Yeah. And that was just a figure of speech.
Jamie:No. No.
Scott:I was just saying that
Jamie:Again, I'm not insulted. Trust me. Right. No. No.
Jamie:I I did no. I definitely did a lot. There's no question about it. A 100%. You know?
Jamie:And it's funny. You know what I noticed? That no matter how much you do, if they don't take to it, it doesn't matter how much you do.
Scott:Well, you wouldn't be doing so much if they weren't taking to it either.
Jamie:That is true. There's no question about it. But it's funny how when you do a lot when they're little. And I guess that's appropriate, right? If you want them to be good at something and they want to be good at something and you're helping them be good at something.
Jamie:The training is good. So he's definitely ahead of lot of his peers, right? But puberty and stuff like that plays such a big role in
Scott:this. Right.
Jamie:I mean, when you start hitting, everything changes. You know? So do you need to do all of the stuff up front like that? I don't know. Know?
Jamie:I guess
Scott:we were just talking about like why do we care so much. Right. And we were just talking about you know, our passion for sports as kids. And now in as as now that we have kids, there are so many more ways to, like, get your kid training, you know,
Jamie:all It's it's available.
Scott:It's available to
Jamie:to No. There's no question about it.
Scott:It's a lot. And we never had that.
Jamie:No. So There was probably stuff, but not like this.
Scott:Right. So it's like this intersection of like, my kid's good. This is what other good players are doing or families are doing. I'm gonna do some of that because that seems why would you not practice more or get more reps? If the goal is to get better, you know?
Scott:So, you know, it's like it's it's a combination of a few things, I I think. But if auto, yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm just, why do we care so much? I care because I know it's important to him. And if I'm being totally honest, I care because I really like hockey and I want him to be good at it.
Jamie:Yeah, I At
Scott:times maybe more than I think he wants to be good at it.
Jamie:Right. I think that's probably normal.
Scott:But in the same way I would want my kid to make more money than I make.
Jamie:Right. That's what I mean. I want my kid to be the best version of himself.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:And if him being successful and learning life lessons doing this that helps him down the road, then I think I've done my job as a parent.
Scott:Yeah. You know
Jamie:what I mean? Yeah. But yeah, man, you get wrapped up in this stuff very quickly.
Scott:Yeah. No doubt. And it's and even it's it's hard. It's you know, like, it's just going through this weekend. You know, it it can be hard to not let me back up for a second.
Scott:I didn't think that Otto going from tier one to tier two was necessarily going to change the way I felt about what I was seeing on the ice. I thought it was going to be a good fit for him. But when I was in the stands, I had similar thoughts and feelings and all those things. But because it's less, I don't want say less competitive, but it's just different. So it didn't
Jamie:It is less competitive.
Scott:I didn't get as
Jamie:worked It's a different speed.
Scott:It's a different so I didn't get as worked up when I saw things because they you know, I don't want maybe they mattered less in my mind in the moment. Like, playing hot potato with the puck, like, off the hop. You know, it's like, if that was like the if that was his first shift on a AAA team and I would be like, dude, it would make me so much more upset
Jamie:Yeah, I understand. Than You'd be cringing.
Scott:Than here, but I was like, okay, so
Jamie:whatever. Well, I think they need to learn at their own pace too, right? I don't I there's no I don't know the right answer, to be honest with you. I mean, I saw parents this weekend having having meltdowns, you know, like
Scott:When you looked in the mirror.
Jamie:Well done.
Scott:Well, so speaking of that, know, so I so I was watching another game. Well said. And before you called, before
Jamie:But I walked outside. I was good. Yes.
Scott:You did. And you phoned a friend. I did. So good job. Yes.
Scott:But
Jamie:Take care of our advice.
Scott:I was in a rink. Yeah. And I didn't see what had happened. Right. There was But a there was a stoppage of play, and it was the game before autos.
Scott:And I'm standing in the rink, and on the other side, the ref had just, like, stopped on the goal line in the corner and was, like, just, like, having some kind of conversation.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. And I was strange, but then I realized that he had thrown someone out of the game. A kid. No.
Scott:An adult. Oh. Got it. An adult who then decided to come back into the rink.
Jamie:So he threw him out of the rink, and then he came back.
Scott:That's the I have to assume that because the ref stopped, like, out of, like you know, there was an icing. The ref stopped at the goal line, like, picked up the puck, and noticed that that there was someone there that I guess he had thrown out.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Oh. And so
Jamie:So when what did he go over the scores box? What? What happens then?
Scott:No. So the ref just stood there telling his dad to get out.
Jamie:Like he's not gonna drop the puck until he leaves?
Scott:You know, he I didn't hear what was being said, but that was basically the you know, what what I could tell. Yeah. And so then I'm watching this unfold and I wanted to get out my phone and record it and I'm like, this would be great content. Put it
Jamie:on Instagram. Put it on Instagram. Seriously. Didn't Look at this asshole. I didn't.
Scott:But then I'm watching, this dad has now left the rink, but he's standing at the doors, which is like right there. So he the the dad through the glass is like throwing up his arms, you know, motherfucking the ref. Saw a couple of those. You know? And I was like, Jesus Christ.
Scott:Like, dude, just chill out. And look, I mean, we've all been to places where we've lost control. And and I'm not saying that I haven't had similar feelings, but, like, by the time I'm, like, out of the rink, I'm not standing there still yelling through a second set of glass. You know what I mean?
Jamie:They can't hear you anyway.
Scott:And it's not gonna make a fucking different. The only thing you do is look crazy to everyone else that's watching you.
Jamie:You're not gonna change the ref's mind. No. But He's not gonna change the call just because you're going bananas. Regardless of how how much of a fit you're throwing, it's not gonna change the outcome.
Scott:And then there were parents parents from this guy. You know, I see, like, a dad comes down from the stands, and either I he said something or like he he was basically running to like, you know, tell you know, calm this guy down. It was like a parent who was still on the stand. It was like a whole fucking thing and I'm just thinking to myself like, oh my god. Like it's so not worth it.
Scott:And you know, sometimes it's simple but not easy when yeah. I don't know what had transpired before. Maybe the guy that got thrown out was completely in the right for being upset. But at a certain point, it's just like, fucking cut it out.
Jamie:We saw a pretty heavy duty fight on the ice. A
Scott:kid With who?
Jamie:Kids. Oh, yeah? Hell, yeah. What Like, wailing away.
Scott:But not your team?
Jamie:No. It was right before we No way. But we played that team the next morning.
Scott:And was it clear who these like, were there some kids that were chippy and dirty and I looking for
Jamie:don't think he played against us. I'm pretty sure he did not. Because he was serving his suspension. Pretty sure he did not play against
Scott:us. Interesting.
Jamie:Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure he was not on the ice against us. You know, it's funny. That's one thing I noticed this weekend. I'm not sure there's a whole lot of oversight with the league that our kids play in.
Jamie:I remember last year with the NJ, you could find officials. There were people to if there was an issue, there were people that were there like
Scott:At the rink?
Jamie:At some of them, yes. Depending on where you are, district, stuff like that, playoffs, something like that, they were definitely there. I don't know there's a whole lot of oversight. Clarify. So if your kid gets thrown out of the game, there's not like that kid one game we played, we kind of found out after, one game we played, a kid who had gotten thrown out the game before and played against us.
Scott:Interesting.
Jamie:Yeah. It was the first or second maybe it was the second game, something like that or some third game, whatever it was. Whatever it was, they played against us. And again, so I don't think there's a whole lot of
Scott:oversight. You know, that's interesting because just think of
Jamie:You know, because I have to tell you, our team, I remember last year when one of our kids got thrown out, the organization wouldn't let him play. Almost like we policed ourselves. Does that make sense?
Scott:Yeah. But like so you would expect someone from like the the league to like check-in with like the coach and be like, hey, listen. You have a suspension. That kid can't Yeah. Have don't Maybe Like, there were emails.
Jamie:I people saying, oh, if it's not written down, if it hasn't been logged in, we're gonna let him play. I overheard that.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Can you imagine? Think about this.
Scott:A coach.
Jamie:Well, can you imagine, let's just say that something like that happens. Let's say that that kid gets thrown out for, just say fighting, I don't know, whatever he gets thrown out for, whatever it is, boarding, whatever it is. Let's say he gets thrown out, right? And he plays the next game because nobody's paying attention. Okay?
Jamie:And let's say like he really hurts somebody. Can you imagine the lawsuit?
Scott:If the kid plays after being suspended and really hurts somebody? Mean, I
Jamie:Because again, apparently a kid played against us in one of the I don't know what game it was, but we found out after the fact. But again, there's there's nobody, like, paying attention. I'm not so sure anybody's paying attention.
Scott:Mean, honestly, if a coach has fucking integrity, he's not gonna fucking try to play a kid that's suspended. I mean, and also, what lesson are you teaching that kid as a coach?
Jamie:There's no question about
Scott:that. Like, if if one of my kids did something to
Jamie:get, like,
Scott:to get thrown out of a game for, like, No. Hurting someone No argument. There's not a fucking chance I would let that kid see the ice cream. If anything, would you know?
Jamie:Of course, you wouldn't. But
Scott:no. Everybody acts like that. Especially if it's your best player or whatever. And I'm not saying that that kid was the best player.
Jamie:I don't even know which kid it was that played against us. Listen, if we go back and look, the kid may have had like three goals against us. It's very possible. Nobody actually went back to look. But think about that though, what happens if somebody gets hurt that next game?
Jamie:Can you imagine the fucking lawsuit? See, somebody really gets hurt, like really injured, like really hurt, Like stick upside the head, stick to like the back of the neck. Like I'm talking like a real major injury.
Scott:So you're talking about a pro like are you talking about like an example where there's like a problem child who's like Yeah.
Jamie:Who gets thrown out of a
Scott:game. Who can't keep their cool.
Jamie:Whatever it was.
Scott:And there's like pattern of behavior.
Jamie:Say they let him play the next game because nobody's watching. There's no oversight.
Scott:Yet he does it again and this time it was too much.
Jamie:Or something along those lines and something to me really gets hurt.
Scott:Can you imagine the lawsuit? Is that where it would go?
Jamie:If your child gets super injured where it's a major thing, hospital, don't know, God forbid, gets killed, I don't know. Think about that. Think about the lawsuit that's there.
Scott:Mean
Jamie:Because again, I'm not sure anybody's watching because how did that kid play against us? So my point is who's paying attention?
Scott:I'm being honest with you, isn't that the job of the officials? Should they be reviewing any
Jamie:of So again, is it the official's job to go back and look at the box score for the last game and say, Oh, look, Frank got thrown out for fighting or whatever it was, boarding or don't know, XYZ penalty. And look, he got a major, so he was thrown on the next game. He's not allowed to play this game. Is that the official's job?
Scott:I don't know.
Jamie:I don't either. That's why I'm asking.
Scott:It could be. I don't know.
Jamie:That's why I'm asking.
Scott:My
Jamie:point is that I don't know who's watching. That's what I'm I
Scott:understand. And I guess I'm just not sure. I've never think as really parents, heard about
Jamie:we would like to think that somebody's watching.
Scott:Yeah. Especially if there's a situation where a kid is yeah, like getting thrown out for like violence or whatever the deal is.
Jamie:Something, right?
Scott:Yeah, don't know. Well, look, then maybe it's on the team manager also. And I'm not saying that they Maybe should be
Jamie:that's what it is. The team manager. Maybe it's the manager's job to go back and look at the box score and say, look, Frank had a I don't know, whatever. Whatever it was. Boarding call that they threw him out the game because he was dangerous.
Jamie:So Frank's not allowed to play. I don't know. Again, don't know whose job that
Scott:is.
Jamie:All I know is that we last year would sit kids from the organization. We would not play kids. But apparently that doesn't happen out there. Apparently people play kids.
Scott:Interesting. I had a few situations That's
Jamie:a really shitty example.
Scott:No? What? By playing them after something? Yeah. Of course, it does.
Jamie:I mean, you're really not mean, you're getting thrown out of the next game for a reason. Yeah. There's a reason why you're getting thrown
Scott:out the next game. I can't imagine that happens too often.
Jamie:I would hope not.
Scott:I I can't imagine. But I could
Jamie:I would hope not.
Scott:I can imagine a coach doing that, although, I don't know, it questions the integrity.
Jamie:I would hope not.
Scott:But all right, so this weekend, first four games for your team and my team in the books.
Jamie:Yeah, it was fun. It was definitely a cool weekend, not gonna lie. I enjoyed it.
Scott:That's I wish I was there for more of
Jamie:it.
Scott:Yeah. Dude, was it was our game got pushed.
Jamie:Stop going on vacation during hockey
Scott:season. Don't give me a break.
Jamie:I don't call it vacation during hockey season.
Scott:No. Well
Jamie:Although, I said to you right before this right before we started the podcast, Penn State Michigan State outdoor game at Beaver Stadium, January 31.
Scott:It's gonna be good.
Jamie:If I have a if I Dom has a hockey game that day, that may be a problem because I do not wanna miss that.
Scott:You mean like in person?
Jamie:Yes.
Scott:You're gonna go?
Jamie:Yes. Yes. Okay. That's my plan.
Scott:That's awesome.
Jamie:Yeah. January 31, Penn State Beaver Stadium, Penn State Mission State outdoor game on the football field. Sick. This place holds like a 109,000 people.
Scott:Let's go McKenna.
Jamie:Seriously. That's gonna be interesting.
Scott:Yeah. It will. So I don't know what
Jamie:Well, other than that, don't go away during hockey season.
Scott:Yeah. Point taken. Thank you very much.
Jamie:Plus just to you, it was to everybody.
Scott:No. You don't wanna let your team down.
Jamie:But for an eightieth birthday, there have to be exceptions.
Scott:Yeah. Yes. And for a 10 year old kid, sorry.
Jamie:Yeah. I don't disagree.
Scott:What was I gonna say? We we had missed two games last year also because we traveled to see yeah. Any event.
Jamie:I gotcha.
Scott:Here and there, it's happened. Yeah. So so this weekend has been kicked off back in the saddle. Like practices, all the things are kicking back up,
Jamie:and it'll be interesting
Scott:to see. Yeah. And, you know, for me, like, just reflecting on this past weekend and the, you know, the kind of the pods before this weekend, I absolutely oh, you know what I want to bring up? And we're not going do it now.
Jamie:We can.
Scott:Yeah, but we're getting a little long. And the car ride home. So we talk about the car ride home. And we talk about it from often, like, listen, you don't wanna, like, rip into your kid. We we haven't really talked touched upon, like, well, what if the kid has an outstanding game?
Scott:Then is it, like, fair game just to talk to your kid about hockey because it's, like, he did really awesome? Now that sounds like, of course, what kid isn't gonna wanna like talk about it because I found myself driving home and I was talking to him about the game. Yeah. And I realized that like I didn't even You didn't make it too? Said, dude, like, you know, I'm really happy for you.
Jamie:Yeah. Like,
Scott:what about this and what about that? And so, yeah, my my here's my question. My question is, like, talking about hockey in the car ride home, if the kid has a great game, is that, like, fair game just to talk as much as you want about it?
Jamie:Mean, listen. You know? You should have the same rule for both, no? I don't know. I mean, I would think that you should probably have the same that's a very good question.
Jamie:I need to think about that one. Can we actually Can we make that next week's episode? We should Can talk we do that? Because I need to think about that one because I don't do enough of that. Dominic always says, Dad, why do always talk about the negative stuff?
Jamie:I think we went over that during one of the days last week. Like, Well, you're supposed to do all the other stuff, which is unfair as a parent again. But that's a very good point.
Scott:Because with auto, part of this year, again, one of
Jamie:the things is to be
Scott:more positive. Talked about in the the mini camp about like keeping not ruining confidence or rebuilding confidence. And I just I was proud of him. Look, there there's plenty of things that like, you know, that can be fixed. But, you know Yeah.
Scott:There were so many check marks in the good column about what came out of this weekend. I wanted to celebrate that with him. And I did
Jamie:Which is important, I think. And I think that's very smart.
Scott:There was not one moment where I said any I did at one point say, oh, there he was like on a basically, it turned into a two on zero. And he kept the puck, and he deked the goalie.
Jamie:Defenseman fell down?
Scott:He fought his way through the defenseman along And the then his, like, you know, I guess He had a 02:00 goal. His winger was going down the middle, and Otto was coming off the side. Got it. And he he should've passed. He should've passed the puck.
Jamie:Oh, he shot it?
Scott:Well, he held onto it, deked the goalie, and, like, slid it in for a goal.
Jamie:So it went in the net.
Scott:It went in the net.
Jamie:But but the hockey player should have been to move it for a one time.
Scott:I think I there there should have been some moving the puck because ultimately, there was time and space to get the goalie moving laterally.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:You know, know, give to you, you give it back to me. Whatever the kids are not there yet.
Jamie:No. A lot of them aren't.
Scott:But so I I did bring that up and said, hey, listen, you know, like on their second goal
Jamie:Maybe you should have
Scott:moved I it. Was like I was like I was like, you you weren't sure that went in, were you? Because I saw you looking over your shoulder. I'm like, did you even think about passing? Yeah.
Scott:I was
Jamie:like, no.
Scott:No. He's like, I did. He's like, but by the time I thought about it, I was like
Jamie:He was on top of the goalie.
Scott:That's the way he Anyway, but my point is that I still, you know, like I brought up an opportunity to, you know, it wasn't an an old version of myself would have been like, dude, you gotta pass the puck. You know? But instead, I was like, dude, listen, awesome job. You put another one on the net. Yeah.
Scott:But yeah, I kept it super positive.
Jamie:I think that's important. I kept it super positive. Think that's important.
Scott:And there were moments where I didn't want to. Sorry, cut you off.
Jamie:No, no, no. I think that's important. Even if you don't want to be super positive, I think that's important because Dominic said something to me before we went on this past weekend that I thought was he's never really said to me before. We were just in the car hanging out on our way somewhere before we left. And he turned to me and he goes, know, dad, this is the happiest I've ever been.
Jamie:I was like,
Scott:Jesus. Really?
Jamie:Yeah. So I think that there's something to be said for a healthy mindset and positivity. Nobody likes Debbie Downer or nobody likes Negative Nancy, know what I mean? I think that a lot of us parents that like to parent with like I don't want say an iron fist, that's not right but parent hard, parent tough which I think is appropriate in a lot of instances, don't get me wrong because I like to parent like that. But I also think there needs to be a healthy, positive speak Balance.
Jamie:Correct. Yep. Injected into the other part. Right. You know, because if your kid's not in a good mindset, generally shit goes sideways.
Scott:Right. So one one thing I'll I'll just kind of finish this up with you. Now that the weekend came and went and there are some things that I wanna be like, dude, last weekend here are some things that you probably could have done differently. Now in my head, I'm conflicted about You're gonna whether or not shut
Jamie:my mouth.
Scott:Should I even bring this stuff up? And I don't know.
Jamie:Are there a lot of things that you wrote down? Do you have like a checklist of things that you wanted to like fix?
Scott:Listen. It's not a lot. No. Yeah. Yes.
Scott:No. And I say that because
Jamie:It's not long. Hold on.
Scott:So there there's some things. Look, all of these kids have plenty of stuff to work on. So let's just like They do. Let let's qualify by saying that. But there are some things that, you know, are lower hanging fruit or things that probably should be addressed sooner than later.
Jamie:Okay.
Scott:Okay. So Fair. So for me, I don't know if I want to even bring some of this stuff up and or no. I do wanna bring them up. I guess I'm really debating how I should bring them up and if I do it yet or I wait to see if things you some of the things that I might be a little concerned about now are going to change after a couple months.
Scott:So listen, why am I even vocalizing this? Why am I considering not saying anything? Because through all of like these conversations that we're talking about being positive, I'm still trying to find my own personal balance
Jamie:of
Scott:being able to give like constructive feedback in a way that can be well received, that's well timed, that isn't me being a jerk. And so I'm having a hard time not because I think the information shouldn't be shared necessarily but I'm just figuring out how to do it in a way that's either more measured or more appropriate.
Jamie:And Why don't you put them down on paper and come back to them in a couple of weeks and see if some of them haven't fixed themselves already. And if they haven't, why don't you pick the main two and try to fix those.
Scott:So don't say anything going into this weekend's game.
Jamie:I would leave it.
Scott:Also only have one game this weekend. I'm so not interested.
Jamie:I'm glad you have won. We have none.
Scott:Really?
Jamie:We have a game slot that they didn't fill. Nobody wants to play us because everybody's scared of us.
Scott:So playing a better team.
Jamie:Nope. Nope. We've even tried to get like triple A teams play us. Nobody wants to play us.
Scott:So why don't you play your 14 Us? Oh, they play the game.
Jamie:The double A elevens?
Scott:Yeah. I think they have games.
Jamie:Can you how bad would that be though if you wind up beating like an older team in your building?
Scott:It happens. The optics are awful. I guess.
Jamie:They don't look good.
Scott:But
Jamie:You know? But you know? So anyway but but after that weekend, we are full go. You know? So we have a light weekend this weekend.
Jamie:We're gonna we're gonna use our game style as a full ice practice, which is awesome. Yeah. You know? I'd rather do that anyway. Yeah.
Jamie:You know? Because the pucks on your stick more in practice, it's perfect. It'd be great. And they have some stuff they want that the coach wants to work on. Our defense, you know, is gonna get worked a little bit, which is good.
Jamie:Know, they'll get a lot of work this weekend. So it's good. You know? Listen, it's good things. I'm excited for the season.
Jamie:Good. Yeah. I'm looking forward to
Scott:it. Likewise. Yeah.
Jamie:It's gonna be fun. And I hope everybody had a good weekend. I hope their kids did well. I hope you guys didn't have any heartache this weekend. If you did, I hope it
Scott:wasn't so terrible. Tell us. Definitely. Love to hear, love to share, love to learn from everyone listening out there.
Jamie:Yes.
Scott:One thing before we finish up, want to make sure to call out
Jamie:our partners to not do that in the beginning. No, we did not. Thank you to Howie's Hockey, who has been with us for a while now, Crazy ten for 10% off any of your laces, gear, tape, candles, wax, clothing. They're awesome. Like I said, best logo in all of youth hockey other than Crazy Hockey Dads.
Scott:I think I think Howie's better than Crazy Hockey Dads.
Jamie:What?
Scott:I'm just being honest.
Jamie:Speak for yourself.
Scott:Look at that guy. He's missing a tooth. He both have teeth in him. Not gonna
Jamie:lie. He is awesome. He really is awesome.
Scott:He's awesome.
Jamie:Yeah. It's that's they have a sick logo. But yes, so thank you to Howie's Hockey. John, want do the other one?
Scott:Angelo Seris. Prostride. Prostride. CHD 10 Be discount on the lookout. I know we're probably not too far away from our schools back in effect, but there's going to be some holidays, some long weekends, some clinics that I'm sure.
Scott:So check out his website and use CHD10 to get 10% off. And then athletic performance insight. API. API. Again, any listeners have been thinking about video and analytics for their team, maybe haven't done anything about it yet.
Scott:It's never too late. So make sure to reach out to our friends over there. Eric who's been on the pod. And if you're new to the show, listen. I don't forget what number episode it was, but we had him on the show.
Scott:Super great guy. Yes, he is. And they're helping teams from the youth level up to college. Visit athleticperformanceinsight.com for more information and use a contact form to request a demo.
Jamie:Crazy hockey just tell them Crazy Hockey Dad sent Yeah.
Scott:Just mention Crazy Crazy Hockey Dad
Jamie:sent shot. I think that's a like a $100 value, if I'm not mistaken.
Scott:Yeah. Didn't do the math on that. It's I'm
Jamie:sure it's like a
Scott:100 value. And and for anyone that's interested Yeah. Anyone that's interested, you know, I think not I think. I know that we've got a subscription that Eric said that we could
Jamie:We could give out.
Scott:We could gift. Could So anyone that might be interested in that, please
Jamie:Reach out to us.
Scott:Yep. Yeah. And
Jamie:Yeah. And write us in with your stories about this weekend. I'm curious to see how everybody else's experiences went.
Scott:No doubt.
Jamie:I'd be very curious to hear that. So we hope that everybody enjoyed this. We hope you guys had a positive hockey weekend. Hopefully, your kids all did well. And, yeah.
Scott:I think that's it. Think Yeah. That's a wrap,
Jamie:It's awesome, man. I'm looking forward to this. I'm excited that we're back.
Scott:Yeah. No no doubt. Yeah.
Jamie:Hockey's back.
Scott:It's back.
Jamie:It sure is. Alright, bud. Alright. Good seeing you.
Scott:Talk to you later. Thanks.