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Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general!
Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer.
John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine.
Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records.
Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has since brought his consulting/producing skillset to the podcast world.
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Unknown: All the songs that we
grew up with that that have that
staying power were all imperfect
songs. Oh, sure, you know what I
mean.
I brought it up many times
before on on the podcast, but
you know you you listened to
what I thought was a great
record back in the 60s, "Glad
All Over" by Dave Clark Five. I
mean, it wasn't perfect, but
man, it had feel. It had life to
it.
Imperfectly perfect. Yeah, you
know.
That's what we need to get back
to. I think.
Yeah. What are your thoughts on
the whole AI thing that are
happening? I mean, it helps me
write emails.
Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment. Before it all
goes down the disposal, this is
Circling the Drain.
Hey, welcome back to Circling
the Drain. Of course, you know
me, Johnny Bozeman, or Johnny B,
as people know me, right over
there, Jay Harper, who's the
real star of the show.
Yes, it's finally. I'm glad you
finally have come to that
realization, Johnny. Will it?
You know, it only took us what
almost 50 episodes. Yeah,
it did. But you know, I mean,
when they ask you to do an
interview, you told me I was the
star of the show. Oh yes, yeah.
All right. Yes, James Patrick is
mr.
McCarthy, really runs the show.
Yes, he is, and he is the true
star of the show. Button Busher,
glorified Button Busher. More
than that, he keeps us in line,
and he's the smartest one of the
three. Yeah, and God help us
all. I know
that's a scary thought. It
is, isn't it? Well,
I tell you, some smart guys too.
I got to see these guys, not in
concert, but actually at a
house. There was a house party,
and these guys are always there.
And I've just always been
impressed with their music. Love
their music, and I've always
wanted to get them on. And
finally, thanks to my wife, we
got you guys on.
Yeah, I'm
talking about Jesse and Noah,
and this is their latest album,
the Sunshine Shop. There you go.
Yeah, great to have you guys on
board with us.
Thanks for having us.
And of course, their last name
is Bellamy. We have to, we have
to let that be known,
right? And we'll talk about that
a little bit.
Oh yeah, we because we're not
going to sit and talk about
their, you know, dad more than
we are them,
of course not.
We want to find out all about
them because you guys originally
were born in in Florida,
correct?
We grew up on a cattle
ranch.
On a well, not a farm. Well, at
a hospital, but yeah, but near a
cattle a cattle ranch at a
hospital. Yeah, and yeah, we
grew up on a piece of property
that's been in the family for
for a few generations, and you
know our dad and uncle were
always kind of touring, so we
grew up you know mostly around
our grandparents, yeah, and and
kind of kind of a similar way to
you know the way they had grown
up, you know, would guess.
Well, maybe a few
more luxuries, but
yeah. Well, it's funny because
when I tell people that you guys
grew up on a cattle ranch, so
they always say Florida, and I'm
thinking, yeah, Florida
actually, it's not all beaches,
you know. I mean, Florida. I
have to point out this. I have
to point this out all the time.
Florida originated the cattle
industry in the United States
because the Spanish brought
cattle over from Spain, and
that's those were the first
cattle in the United States
500 years ago, more than 500.
Exactly, they were first
cowboys, really.
Yeah,
which shocks folks. You know,
they didn't all come from Texas.
So your your so your dad
actually lived in L.A. at one
time, didn't he? And lived out
in California. Yeah, they
did. They lived in L.A. for for
a little while, like late late
70s. You know, they of course
grew up in the same the the same
ranch that we grew up on, and
they headed out to L.A. mid '70s
and cut a little record called
"Let Your Love Flow" and did all
of that. Yeah, I think some of
them may have heard of that.
Yeah, maybe. Yeah,
1975,
76. I'm sure they were. I'm sure
they were recorded it in 75. But
they they're celebrating the
50th. They just did the 50th
anniversary at the Ryman this
what about what three weeks ago
yeah it was
very recent
and so they you know went
through the whole LA thing for a
few years and then ended up
coming back to to Florida when
we were younger we we we did
have a place up here we had a
place off of Whitebridge Road
condo over there, so so we grew
up coming to Nashville a lot as
well.
Yeah, so it wasn't much of a
culture shock to move up here.
No, I mean not not back then.
Yeah, yeah. Well, the cultural
shock just came eventually, like
over the
yeah over
the course of the years, yeah,
especially right now with every.
Way everything's changing, but
how did you guys decide to? What
brought you together musically?
We're brothers. Well, that would
work. And you, and you, and you
guys. It's
not just you, but you also have.
Do you not have three other
brothers? We do have three other
brothers. Yeah,
yeah.
So you could have a whole band.
We could have whole band. They
they we're the only two that
sort of play in public for for
some reason. Everybody everybody
plays. Everybody writes. But and
everybody's sort of you know in
in the in the arts world. Our
youngest brother's into film and
and that sort of thing. Yeah.
Um. But yeah, we're the we're
the two that sort of pursue it,
and you know have gone to the
trouble of making a record.
Well, Jesse, I mean, has this
always just kind of been
expected of family members, at
least some of them, to to follow
the route of of your dad and
uncle David and Howard the
Bellamy brothers. Yeah,
I mean, I I guess so. I mean, it
seems it seems that that it
happens a lot in this industry
and every other industry. It
seems it seems pretty common,
you know.
So, I mean, did you ever feel
like you were pressured into it
or anything? It was expected in
one way or another, or it's just
something you were attracted to,
and it's just in the blood, and
you love to do it. And yeah,
just
I just like to sing, like to
write songs, like play music.
All right, I mean, so
you two, I mean, if you've
determined that you were going
to kind of be a brother act at a
younger age, or did you kind of
come together later, Noah?
Well, we when we started out
playing in bands, you know,
playing kind of in you know like
you do when you're a teenager
playing in sort of garage bands
with your friends, and so we
started out in more thinking of
ourselves more and like you know
we were going to be a band of
like four or five people, and
but you know we always got kind
of whittled down to just the two
of
us. Yeah. So I mean, do you
play? Obviously, you brought
your guitars. We hope to hear
from you here in a little bit.
But I mean, have you always
played guitar? You got other
instruments in your repertoire?
Oh, I play. I started out on
piano and then went to
saxophone.
Oh wow!
And then guitar and then then
kind of the other string
instruments. I play some
mandolin and bass and
okay. Heck, you don't need a
whole band. You got you. No, I
got
well. Yeah, most of our yeah
most of our kind of early
recordings. It was it was mostly
yeah we've done mostly Noah
playing some stuff in the past.
This album is all you know. This
album we did pretty much live
with our with our regular band,
but we've done some stuff in the
past where I did a lot of
overdubbing and you know it was
just me and a drummer or
yeah, so kind of Paul McCartney
esque, yeah, Prince like, yeah,
doing all the all the
instruments. Who's
your go to here in town for like
instrumentation and recording?
Just our well, our our band that
that we play live with. Our our
drummer is also our roommate, so
he's makes it weird if we don't
record with them. So the three
of us are kind of always
together. I mean, our and our
bass player, but practically,
yeah, he's over there every
night anyway. So we're we've
just kind of had this core band
together for the last few years,
and really kind of kind of you
know developed and and sort of
wrote the songs and for you know
because we were just familiar
with the way everybody plays and
and then we brought in Mike
Cluster from the band Smash
Mouth to play keyboards and he
had played on our on a previous
EP that we did so we got to got
to know him through that and
then Zach Cassick in
Hendersonville at Wildfeather
Recording is is where we did the
the record, and you know he we
in the past we've always sort of
guerrilla recorded where we
would be at one studio and then
another and then we'd take home
stuff and do it in a closet and
you know piece it together. This
this was a this process was kind
of what we've been trying to get
to, where we could just go in
and cut live with our with our
band.
When do you know you have it
right? When it's on the vinyl.
Do you hear the vinyl answer? Do
you still hear the vinyl on the
product and go, oh man, we
should have just kicked that one
up a little bit more. Not,
you know, not so much on this
project. There was one one
track I told a lie that we
recorded.
We did record that one twice. We
did we did
record it twice. I mean, we we
we had a version of it that we
were pretty happy with, but then
we we started playing it live.
And it kind of became it became
something else. So we had to go
back and we're gonna
re-record re-record it from the
ground up. Well, it seems like
songs do take a new life
sometimes when they when you
perform them. Yeah, that's the
thing.
We've got so many. See, even and
we're gonna do we're gonna start
a new project here. Maybe as
soon as next week. We'll start
rehearsing, and there's a lot of
songs that were on previous
projects that we just didn't
have the the right recording,
you know, of and and which I'm
tempted to try and do a live
album at some point to maybe
sort of up you know update some
of the songs that got got missed
on on previous projects that
that need a a new life, but
yeah, it happens.
So when you guys write, I mean,
who who is more of the
wordsmith? Who is more of the
melody? Where is it? Both of
you? We yeah, we both do both.
So yeah, both do both. Yeah,
I mean, I guess it's you know
it's assumed because I generally
sing lead that I'm writing more
lyrics, but that's not all. It's
not always the case. Right. We
we kind of have a tendency to
sort of sort of pick the best
out of our sort of demos between
the two of us, and then sort of
bounce those back and forth, and
and then start playing them with
the band, and
yeah,
and I mean that's where we're at
right now, where we we've just
compiled a folder of like 50
songs, and we're going to try
and go in and maybe cut four at
a time, and so we're and one of
them has to be a Christmas song
because we need to get that
done.
So it's always funny, but
Christmas in August. Oh, and
Christmas
songs because it's not just a
Christmas song. There has to be
a Christmas video. Oh, of
course. And then there has to be
a Christmas show. Yes. And so
it's like once you start the
process, it's okay. Put the
winter coat on again. Yeah, I
know it's 90 degrees outside,
but the real feel temperature is
115. Yeah, yeah, get you in the
Christmas spirit. Well, you
know, I was
at MCA when George Strait cut
one of his Christmas albums and
at Soundstage, and you know,
they turned all of they put
decorations all over the studio,
and they turn the AC down to
about 50. Oh, really? There you
go. That'll
get you in the mood. Trying to
get everybody in the mood,
Jesse. I mean, have you? I mean,
have you always kind of had the
writing bug, both of you? I
mean, even as as young guys.
Yeah, I mean, we both both took
an interest in it pretty pretty
early on. I mean, mainly like
like you know, like Noah was
saying earlier, we would play
kind of in in garage bands, just
kind of growing up, and we
mainly just started feeling like
we needed material for for those
bands. So we we started out by
by writing for yeah for those
bands because we weren't we
weren't into you know learning a
bunch of covers and all that. We
wanted to go and be
your own, yeah, your own style.
You know, I got to admit, I
mean, again, we're here to talk
about you, but it's you know
we'd be remiss not to mention, I
mean, you know, your dad, David
Bellamy, one of the most
brilliant, clever songwriters.
Oh yeah, you know, seeing things
from a real quirky eye and
stuff. I mean, did you kind of
did he give you tips and then I
mean, or did you just kind of
come about the songwriting by
osmosis? I mean, you certainly
had somebody to you certainly
had somebody to look up to in
terms of songwriting because
your dad's brilliant songwriter.
Yeah, for sure, and yeah, and he
he was just inducted into the
Nashville Songwriters Hall of
Fame just a couple of years ago
too. By the way, yeah, I mean,
and I think yeah, I think that's
one thing about about his songs
too is he he normally wrote for
them as an act. I mean, he he
did have some outside cuts as
well, but but I think that's
that's kind of where we we sort
of maybe got that that attitude
from. You know, he he was always
writing for them as an act and
wasn't wasn't necessarily doing
the the pub co kind of yeah kind
of world as much, or well, I
guess they didn't didn't have
to, you know. Yeah, if you've
already got the artist cutting
the song, but right, right. Were
some of his
where his was his wordsmithing
an influence on you, or did you
were you were kind of reading
poetry or other bands? That kind
of what kind of wordsmithing
influences did you have? Yeah, I
mean,
well, all all over the place. I
mean, yeah. I mean, you know,
growing up listening to a lot of
'60s rock, all of the the sort
of main '60s Dylan and Van
Morrison, Neil Young, Beatles,
Paul Simon,
all oh yeah, all of those. But
then I really like. Country
songwriters too. I mean, maybe
maybe the best people like Bob
McDill and
yeah, the guys that could tell a
story. Yeah,
yeah. Just I love Don Williams
and that era of of country and
that that era of country
songwriting.
Well, in fact, you have a
T-shirt in one of your photos
that I would love to have. Too
dumb for New York City, too ugly
for L.A. Which always I love
that song title because I don't
know about you, but I've felt
that way a few times. I feel
like when I've gone to New York
while I'm here. Yeah, exactly.
One thing I love about this
album too is this old cowboys
that you do with Riders in the
Sky? How'd that all come about?
Well, we cut the track, and we
were we were listening back, and
we was like, "Well, it'd be
great to have some just
traditional cowboy harmonies on
this. And and then from there,
the idea was to get "Riders in
the Sky, and then we ran into
them, you know, by chance, about
a month later. Oh wow! Yeah, and
asked Ranger Doug, and and they
came and and did it, and they
you know they just kind of came
in and and did their thing. You
didn't, you know, it was it was
pretty pretty obvious they were
the they're the custodians of
that. Boy, they really are.
They really are very interesting
guys too. Yeah, they're so
cool. Oh, they aren't up and and
did their radio show in
Cleveland, and they're just they
just go so deep into that that
cowboy genre, which you know we
know some kind of surface level
stuff, but I mean, they know
every you know. Yeah, they're
deep. They're deep. Yeah, Ranger
Doug is a real historian of that
stuff, and you know those guys
have been around for you know
almost 50 years. I mean, it's
pretty incredible the longevity
those fellows have had,
and they also have great
harmonies too. Man, gosh,
they're so good. But you guys
are as well. Plus, you have Tess
Frizell on here too, which she
is really good.
Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, we
met her doing the Next
Generation of Country show
during CMA Fest that happens
every year, and met her a few
years ago. We we had the we had
had the song for a while and
didn't and knew it was a you
know supposed to be a duet. We
just didn't didn't have the
hadn't run into the right
artist. And then when we met
her, it was like, well, oh yeah,
that makes sense because because
of her you know because of her
lineage being duets as well.
Yeah, Shelly had done all those.
Shelly West had done, of course,
all the stuff with David Frizell
and then Dotty West with with
Kenny Rogers, of course. Yeah,
I always, you know, I I always
love to champion people that
have come from you know country
legends, country artists,
because a lot of these people
are so talented, like Tess, you
guys. We just had David Allen
Coe's two daughters on, who are
also, I think, really good.
Tanya and Shelly, yeah.
And so I really loved a champion
because too many times I've
heard Shooter Jennings. I think
ran into this because I I got
into a very very big argument
with somebody that you know he's
not enough like Waylon. I'm
thinking he's his own man. Come
on, you know he's he's a great
artist. Give him a chance. You
know, quit trying to to
basically compare him to his
father because they're two
different artists.
Oh, and not not only an artist.
I mean, a producer and
songwriter. Yeah, great producer
runs the gamut of of of yeah. I
mean, I guess you know you you
grow up around around it, and
you see all the all of the
different sort of pieces of it.
Yeah, maybe maybe a little bit
better.
Yeah,
and and can kind of dabble in in
you know in more areas.
Have you guys run into that at
all? Where people will try to
compare you to your dad and and
and your uncle?
I mean, not it's you know never
in a
not in a negative way,
super negative way, or yeah,
that she wouldn't just blow off
anyway. Yeah,
yeah, some redneck, you know.
Come on, y'all! New old hippie.
Yeah, yeah. Well, we will. I
mean, we'll do a few. You know,
we'll do a few.
We'll do a few of their other
songs now. You know, for for a
long time we didn't, but but
we'll do a few of their songs
now. But my, I mean, my argument
is is that they they play every
weekend. They're out there doing
it. Go see them.
Yeah, go see them. Yeah, come
hear our stuff. Come here. Yeah,
we get to play like
once a month, and and I want to
songs I wrote. Yeah,
I mean Bellamy Brothers, but you
know, come on, you want to see
the Bellamy of the other
brothers? Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, yeah, but have you found
that that you know Bellamy last
name is it been positive,
negative, a little bit above? I
mean, yeah, I'm sure
it's a. I mean, I'm sure it's a
little little of both. Yeah, you
know, it's not. Again, it's not
that we do anything that's like
drastically different than than
what they what what they do and
there are a lot of things that
are very similar. I mean just
just the fact that it is sibling
harmony based music, which which
is a rare thing on its own at
this you know at this point
really. I mean even even the you
know the bigger duos in in
country for you know the last
what 20 years or whatever, none
of them really been siblings so
much, you know.
Yeah,
it's sort of sort of sort of
less less common, so
it's much tougher to get a duo
successful. I would say,
you know, I mean, it used to be
that that everybody had their
kind of roster, and there was a
duo on every roster, as far as
the you know the major labels
and all that goes. So it used to
be you know you just had to have
you know one of each on each
label.
Well, Florida Georgia line is
coming back together, so there's
hope.
Oh yeah, cool.
So there you go, cool. What is
what is something? I didn't know
they went away.
Well, I think the the Belling
Brothers are the only duo that's
never broken up. I believe. Oh,
really? You're right. Them and
them and Sparks, I guess. Yeah.
What's the one thing you guys
can absolutely not agree on?
Speaking, not that I want to
break in. Boy, I listen
to him. He's already trying to
drive a wedge in there. Plenty,
but boy, they're brothers. Come
on, it's got to be something.
Let's stir the pot. Well, you
you guys don't get into those
because I always heard horror
stories about Eddie and Alex Van
Halen. Oh, they were notorious.
Oh, yeah, they were. I mean,
Sammy Hagar told stories about
them. You know, getting into
physical fights in the studio. I
can't picture you guys doing
that. It
hasn't happened in a long time.
But if it did, who would win?
Well, I mean, it's great. Sounds
like
Noah has plays more instruments,
so he's got more stuff to throw.
Yeah, that's right. Exactly. To
throw at Jesse. That's
right. Yeah, you've not lived
till you had a keyboard thrown
at you, drumsticks, a bassboard
thrown at me,
a fully weighted 88 key piano.
Those things are freaking heavy,
man. Yes, they are.
Well, you guys did bring your
guitars in. Did you want to play
us a tune? Sure. While you're
here.
Yeah, we didn't really. Yeah,
if you've got room here, if you
got room, I mean, real tight. I
know it's really
tight in here, and nobody's
really brought in their
instruments before, so we're no.
We've done this
before, though. Cool. Will this
cost us,
Jim? No.
Well,
some royalty.
Yes. I'm sorry, we're cheap
operation here.
Oh, we just do like 15 seconds.
All we can afford you
is some homemade pickles. My
wife made for you guys.
Amazing. That's yes, and
and T-shirts. We got T-shirts.
Oh,
how about that? I'm glad you. I
bet you're going. Boy, I'm glad
we came now.
Oh, we're gonna do line. There
we go. Yeah, let's do that. All
right, line of rose. It's kind
of a murder ballad, but not
really. Well, I
love those. Those are my
favorite ones.
When I first met my wife,
thought she'd love me my whole
life. She called herself the
Carolina Rose. Lionel Rose. lila
rose. She called herself a
Carolina rose. One day she
walked down the path, and as she
threw her red hair back in her
teeth, she held a Carolina rose.
Lina rose. lila rose. In a
teeth, she held a Carolina rose.
With a Bible and a gun, she
said, "We're gonna have some
fun, and the blossoms turn to
thorns of lighter rose. Lighter
rose, lighter rose. The blossoms
turn to thorns of lighter rose.
She says it says thou shalt not
kill, but I believe I will test
the Lord and risk my very soul.
'Cause I'm light of rose, light
a rose. I'll test the Lord and
risk my very soul. Heard a
cackle and a click. Then I
learned real quick she's the one
in chargeless line of rose. Line
of rose, line of rose. She's the
one in chargeless line of rose.
Oh yeah!
Very nice.
That's how you write a song,
indeed. Yeah, love the
harmonies. I did too. And
plus, I love Noah's picking.
Yeah, the picking.
I mean, the arrangement for the
the the picking, I mean, did you
come up with that yourself, or I
mean, Jesse coming to you? I
mean, where does that emanate
from? Because that's very cool.
Well,
that version was different. That
version, yeah, it's always
different. Yeah, I got you. I
totally lost my place right in
the middle of that second song
until we get back to where we're
going.
But we we cut that song so that
song's all in the new album.
Right,
I see that.
And but we had had recorded it
on a previous album as a
bluegrass song, where we had
Lily Mae and Scarlett Rishi come
in and play, you know, fiddle
and mandolin on it, but we had
been playing with our band for
so long, doing more of a rock
version that we ended up
recording that for the album.
Oh, that's outstanding!
That's a great story song too,
which I'm a big fan of.
Yeah, the Bob McDill influence.
Yeah, yeah, story songs.
Yeah, well, it kind of reminded
me too a little bit of a Steve
Earle story song, you know.
Yeah, it's got a little bit of
that. I mean, I started with
that. That was inspired by an
old song called "Rain and Snow,
you know, which you know I took
it in a different direction than
that, but you know, which is an
old public domain bluegrass
song, and it's been, you know,
the Grateful Dead did a version
of it. There's a million
versions of it out there, but
but it started with you know
using that as the basis for it
and jumping off from there.
Very cool, and you guys sound so
good together. I mean, no wonder
you guys got together, man.
Don't ever break up.
What was the most "this can't be
happening" moment you've ever
experienced in this life of
yours?
Nothing. Probably the time you
got hit
by a horse on Broadway. Oh wow!
How the yeah, you got to tell us
that story.
Hit by a horse. They don't have
horses down there anymore. Oh,
do they? I thought they still
had. Oh, do they still have? It
wasn't like a horse drawn. Yeah,
well, horse drawn. It was a
horse
drawn. It wasn't. Yeah, we
weren't quite to the pedal
tavern. This is the previous
era. This is a previous. It was
just a.
It was just a buggy tavern at
that point, yeah, with Woo
girls, yeah. Because
we did used to have more horses,
like yeah, this was this
was years back. We were coming
off a 12th and turning onto
Broadway, and the runaway horse
is like heading right towards
us. Oh my goodness! With the
with the the the cart attached,
the cart detached. I had. An old
Dodge Durango at the time.
That's what we were driving in
it. Yeah, the car. The driver
had fallen off, like the hill.
Oh
my gosh! And
then there were still two people
on it when it hit our car. And
then the the yeah the cart
detached on the car, and then
the horse ran ran down to
Demumbrian where somebody
eventually caught up with it.
But yeah.
Now when you guys are in the
studio, are you are you using
the technology, like making sure
you you land on the grid with
the Pro Tools and all that
stuff, and using a click, or is
it like the old school where
it's the band on the floor? You
got visual cues and feel. Yeah,
it's
it's we go in and track with
with the band. Yeah, and I mean
we'll use a click a lot of the
time, but there's some. You
know, sometimes you have a song
that that it doesn't really work
for. So you know, we'll use a
click, but we don't. We're yeah,
we're not into like grid locking
the whole thing. We we've done
that before. We've done that
before. Yeah, in some things,
but I think I like it better
this way. It's a little more. It
was like we did it before on on
a project, and it was like,
well, I sang all these parts
behind the beat for a reason,
and we just moved them to like
where I sang them. We perfected
it
because that's the thing is like
with you know combating the AI
uprising of all the people that
are now songwriters, and I was-I
guess some guy was wearing a
shirt the other day. I gotta
look it up, but he put-he
spelled out Suno, and it was
like songwriters, something like
basically throwing shade on
people who use Suno. In that
case, my my hunch is that the
live music experience is going
to become so much more
important, you know, especially
in the studio with the human
feel.
I would, I would think, but I
mean, it's so it's more
important for me as an artist to
do it that way, whether or not
the audience is along. We'll,
you know, we'll we'll see
because it feels like that, you
know, maybe younger people that
that haven't grown up with the
difference. It it may not.
I don't know, man. I mean, it's
like all the all the songs that
we grew up with that that have
that staying power were all
imperfect songs.
Oh, sure. You know
what I mean?
I brought it up many times
before on on the podcast, but
you know, you you listen to what
I thought was a great record
back in the 60s, "Glad All Over
by Dave Clark Five. I mean, it
wasn't perfect, but man, it had
feel. It had life to it.
Imperfectly perfect. Yeah, yeah.
That's what we need to get back
to. I think.
Yeah. What are your thoughts on
the whole AI thing that are
happening?
I mean, it helps me write
emails.
It does. It's a good tool, but
when it comes to creativity,
it's like
well, it bothers me because Jay,
you know, Jay sends me. He said,
"Man, listen to this new artist
I just heard, and he sends me
this email. I'm going, "Yeah,
let's get this guy on, and then
he comes back. He goes, "It's
all AI. It doesn't even exist.
Yeah, this
was about a year ago. Yeah, I
mean, it just sounded wonderful.
It did. Yeah, fooled me, man. It
fooled me as well. And then
it pissed me off. Yeah, I know.
Yeah, I kind of felt the same
way. Yeah.
So for your live performing, I
mean, do you find that you do
you have a preference? I mean,
are you are you like studio
rats, and you really love to get
in there and tinker, or do you
really just want to get out and
perform for people live? I mean,
do you have a preference?
Yeah, I mean, well, the we're
trying to trying to marry the
two where they kind of work
together, you know, where you
where you you go out and play
live with the band, so you can
develop the songs where they
need to go, and then get back
into the
yeah the
studio. And it's you know
supposed to all
yeah you can get sick of one or
the other. So playing live is
like the laboratory in a way.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's
like the the get out there and
and road test everything and and
then go into the studio. You
know, hopefully, if you have
that, sometimes there's not that
luxury. There's not enough dates
booked. You know, before a
session to get stuff locked in.
So you know, we just it's just
easier to to rehearse it. But
but yeah, it helps. It helps
going out and playing stuff for
and just to keep a you know keep
a band together, I mean because
we we've really you know played
with the same band and really
just got a really unique and
cool situation that's pretty
much perfect for what we do, and
we just want to keep that going.
So there's the the aspect of
playing live, just you know, in
order to just be able to keep a
band together in order to go
into the studio with, in order
to make the record, in order to
go out and tour for the record,
and so on and so on.
So, you know, we talk a lot here
on this podcast about radio. I
mean, we both are radio guys,
right? And Jim as well. Yeah.
You know, the state. Radio these
days. I mean, it's you know big
discussion about music radio in
particular. Yeah,
I miss it
circling the drain with music
radio. I mean, yeah,
I mean, as an
artist, I mean, are you finding
that it is more and more or less
and less important to get on
radio? I mean, how does that
affect what you guys are trying
to do
well. It's like if you're
promoting in one area, then you
don't necessarily have the funds
to promote. And you know, if you
if you're working a if you're
working a single through social
media, then then that's going to
take away from the funds you
have to put towards a radio
campaign. And so it's it's kind
of hard to do both, and you make
make choices each each single.
You know, we're gonna do. We've
got a video for the the title
track, the Sunshine Shop, and
then you know we're wonder we're
you know thinking toying with
the idea of maybe you know
trying to work radio a little
bit more on this time around,
whereas we didn't on the
previous singles because we were
again putting all the energy and
yeah,
it's. I mean, it's you know,
it's very much a us doing
everything,
right? Right. I mean, so you
know who plays videos these
days? Well,
YouTube. Okay, I got you. But
but as
far as like channels and things,
yeah. Well,
A C N A C N played the track
with with Tess. Yeah, and and
then I think they're going to
take a look at the at the next
one that comes out and and see
if that fits their their format.
It's you know it's mainly that
with our our YouTube following,
it's it's mainly we produce the
videos for our our own YouTube
channel in order to get
the
the songs out there, and we we
we tend to do better at YouTube
than than even Spotify or some
of the other streaming. So so
we've we've made a conscious
decision to you know to focus on
on having a video for each
single. I think we've done like
five,
yeah.
This with this record, but we're
but we're also doing the very
simply with Nita. That does she
shoots everything with iPhone
and
yeah,
you know we're just trespassing
on the parking lot of abandoned
buildings and shooting covers.
Obviously, a damn good cover.
Yeah, very cool. And Nita shot
that as well. Yeah,
what's a great album? Plus, it
to me, it's just like a
throwback to when it was fun
listening to music, you know,
and you loved getting the cover
and and looking it over. And I
miss those days. Yeah,
everybody's downloading now, and
I'm still an old. People make
fun of me because I still want
vinyl. I still, you know, I'll
still get a CD. Yeah, I saw
a vinyl on my kitchen table the
other day. My kids are still
ordering it.
Really, I don't
know if they're listening to it,
but they're ordering it.
Just looking at it, maybe. Yeah.
Now some
people are. Yeah, I mean,
there's been plenty of people
that that have you know bought
one at a show, saying, "Well, I
don't have a turntable, but you
know, I want it as a you know
yeah memento and or you know or
somebody's a couple of people
told me that they were going to
go out and buy a turntable just
to listen to the record. So
well that we just sell
turntables at the shows, huh?
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I
think Jack White does
that, doesn't
it? Yeah, I think he does. Now,
as as far as radio play, are you
having great luck with
Americana, like a WMOT here, and
WMOT
played. So WMOT played. I told a
lie, kind of even prior to the
album being released. WSM has
played a couple of the tracks,
and it's just you know various
various places around. Yeah, we
know people at in all of those
those places, and and but you
know, go back away. Coming up
with a promotion
strategy these days is so
complicated compared to what it
once was. I mean, what you know,
get on radio. That that was the
goal. Get on radio and
then do a television spot. Yeah,
yeah,
you know, and go tour a little
bit. Now it's like, all right,
like you were saying, okay, do
we go video promotion? Do we go
record radio? Do we just do
social media? Yeah, it's a yes.
You got to weave yes to you. Got
to weave through all of
that, man. Yeah, and then and
then you get to the point. Well,
I could have made five albums
for what this cost. Yeah,
really. Well, I mean,
there's an element of doing it
organically. I'm looking at your
Instagram right now. What's the
strategy going into like a
social media that you're doing?
I have somebody doing it. There
you go. That's a smart way.
Again, Nita, that Nita Nita,
that's been shooting the videos
and shot the cover. She's been
managing the social media here
for like the last couple of
years, and really sort of helped
us sort of build it. And she's
able to to just she's like a
band member at this point. She
just hops in the van with us
when we're going on on a date,
and you know the iPhone makes it
easy and not obtrusive. She can
come in the studio and not. And
be stealthy and
yeah,
and because that was you know
that was part of the even before
we cut the last EP, I was like,
well, if we go in the studio, I
need somebody to be able to film
it, and I generally just don't
like that. What is that? I
generally want to be in the
studio so that nobody bothers
me. What is that? Like a
typical approach to social
media, a lot of people are
either for it or against it, and
I see a lot of artists doing
this. One of them comes to mind
is Ben Gallagher. He's
constantly putting like
different scenarios. Cool. I
wrote a song with him.
Yeah, great, great dude, and
he's a hell of a picker. But he
basically puts videos of
himself. He plays the same song,
but in different scenarios. So
he's kind of giving a sample of
the goods, if you will. What's I
mean? What do musicians take on
that? You know, little small
samples of the songs, putting
videos out there on Instagram,
TikTok, and all that kind of
thing. Because I mean, when you
guys play together just now,
that's mesmerizing. Absolutely.
Oh,
it is.
Yeah. In
fact, that's when I first when I
first saw these guys was in
Deborah Evans Price's helm. She
she'd have these I guess picking
parties,
guitar pool kind of yeah. And
man, these guys. That's why I'm
glad to get them in here today
because I've always wanted to
talk to them, but I didn't want
to bother them at this
gathering, but that was a great
place to watch you guys because
it's so intimate and really
showed me how talented you both
were, and I felt very blessed to
be there.
Yeah, I mean that's a it's a
very blessed place to be.
It really can't believe
Deborah's in the in the music
business. She's just she's one
of the. In fact, we're going to
try to get her on the show. Oh,
that'd be yeah, because she.
I've known her for ever, and she
is just one of the sweetest
people on this planet. She's the
best. She's she really,
and I've never met anybody that
loves music as much as she does.
Oh, I know, I know. And the
well, that that party. I mean,
we've been. I mean, I'm sure you
have too. We've been going to
that party for years, and I just
just remember we. That's where
we we met our drummer at that
party one. Really? Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah,
cool. He looks like a rocker.
Well, what we ought to do
because we talk about doing this
podcast live. If she ever has
another one of those, I want to
set up in that.
Yeah, do a live.
Yeah, because man, there's
that'd be so cool. Yeah, because
there's so much talent at this
at this party, and it's just
it's cool because it's laid
back. Gary, your husband, makes
these great dishes. Yeah, the
gumbo.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Where's this?
Deborah Evans Price, she's um,
gosh, she's been in the music
business for such a long time.
Journalist, been
yeah
writer for Billboard and other
publications.
When and
when and where? Just tell me
when. Yeah, have to be there.
Well, they live
in Nolensville, so well,
used to always be in connection
with Vernell's birthday party.
Yeah, so it was it was always
around like February, March, in
there, but they're always
fun.
Oh, yeah, so much fun.
In fact, I was nervous the first
because she she goes on. Nobody
knows me for that. I but gutters
bring it anyway. But
yeah, I did. So we but we had a
lot of fun. In fact, you guys
played with me on Copperhead
Road, I think, and I did a John
Lennon song. I think you you got
to hide your love away.
Okay, yeah,
yeah, you remember. You want to
forget, don't you? Well, all
those
parties kind of you know when
you do something every year or
something, they they start to
run together and they they kind
of live in their own. Yeah, they
do, don't they? It's like
Christmas. It kind of lives in
its own space. Yeah, I always
remember what happened which
year.
Yeah, I know.
So, are there artists out there,
guys, that today that really
excite you? I mean, who do you
guys listen to?
I think it doesn't. I still
no.
Hey, Megadeth stole our our our
video location.
Dave Mustaine would probably beg
to differ. I mean, he everyone
stole from him, according to
him.
Well, we shot our video first,
and but they got theirs out
quicker. There you go.
For what video and what? For I
told a
lie.
Uh huh. Would you? Dave did.
Wow!
There we go.
Yeah, it was this. It's a skate
park out behind. I don't know if
I should say where it's at. Dave
might be listening. Let's call
the attorneys.
So, what artists are you kind of
marinating in?
Charlie Rich. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
The Silver Fox. Yeah. Yeah. We
recently
lost his son, Charlie Rich.
I just saw that this morning. I
did too. I didn't know that.
Apparently, yeah, Charlie Rich
Jr. passed away, which I never
met him, but I knew of him, and
I knew he always played, and he
was a piano player as well, and
and yeah, I I just saw that as
well.
Yeah,
but yeah, just a lot of old, you
know, a lot of the old stuff
still. You're listening anything
new? Dan Brady,
just
I don't know. I've I've been
into some different kind of
singer songwriters lately.
I've listened to like every
recorded version of the gospel
song farther along in the last
like week, because we're gonna
we're gonna go to we're gonna go
to Deborah. Do you know you know
Deborah Allen? Oh yeah, yeah.
She's been on our podcast. She
has been on the podcast. Yeah,
she's doing her gospel on this
Sunday. Yeah, so we yeah we're
gonna go and then we were like
we just got to have a because
it's Deborah anything can
happen. We just got to have a
gospel song like you know ready
in the pocket. So I've listened
to like every like every version
I could possibly find of of that
one song in the last the last
week.
At Franklin Theater, man, that's
a cool place.
Yeah,
it's a hard place to pack
though. I guess depending on the
act.
Yeah, you know. Oh, is
it? It. I mean, well, a couple
of the bands I saw there, the
Huey band is playing there again
this fall, and they want to try
and pack it out two weeks ahead
of time, and it's like, good
luck. Yeah, it's. I don't know.
It's just something about it,
like during the week shows. I
think. Yeah, I think you're
right. Midday weeks, midday, mid
the week shows. What kind of
product you use in your hair,
dude? You got you got a heck of
a head of hair. It's anything.
It's
like a dry shampoo paste. I
can't remember the name of it
right now, but it's a it's a dry
shampoo technically, but it's
more like a pomade
pomade
paste.
That's what I use. Do you use
any beard balm? Because you're
you're getting and your beard
looks great. You're using.
You're getting jealous of the
beard. I don't know. I can't get
competitive bearding there at
all. Yeah,
it's it's the cheapest way to
looks, Max.
Because I'm looking at some of
these pictures. I'm looking at
your your piece that said
shooting a photo shoot in your
40s was like doing a show photo
shoot in your 40s, but I mean,
you guys look fantastic. You
know, you got the sunglasses on.
I mean, you got the like. You
could be a you could be an
ambassador for a cigar company,
bearding products. Grew up in
Tampa.
Yeah, it's it's. I grew up in
Tampa, I guess.
I don't know. Competitive
bearding could be in your
future. You never know.
Well, you know when we did the
so when we did the test video, I
was like, oh well, her
grandmother did all the Kenny
Rogers duets. I should let it
get a little longer for that,
and then I did, and then
everybody liked it, so it stayed
it stayed a little longer.
Well, looks good on you, dude. I
wish I get mine to do that.
I I can't get past the lips.
Yeah, it's like I get like you.
You got to shave around. Yeah,
I do. As soon as
it starts going over the lip,
you're like, oh, just it's just
driving me nuts. But then in
mine is really coarse. But
you've got the part in the
mustache. Oh yeah, it's freaking
spot on. Both
you guys, man, you look cool.
God, man, you look cool too,
Johnny. Oh
yeah, thanks, man. I'm always
wearing collared shirts that
have logos on them, so I'm about
as uncool as it gets.
Yeah. Well, see, I'm
shedding. For some reason, my
beard's falling apart. Beard
bomb, buddy. Solve all those. I
guess so. I guess that's what I
need. So, so you guys are are do
you are you on the road a lot?
Are you are you
here and there, but not as you
know not as much as as we we'd
like to be here. We're trying
you know we're trying to get out
there a little bit more. Oh my
God, we're going
to solve that right here.
Awesome,
yeah. You know most of the most
of the stuff we hit is sort of
stuff we can get to and from
Nashville pretty quickly, which
is you know which is a good
amount of places. But we're
trying to get out west maybe at
the end of the year and supposed
to maybe go to Lake Chapala,
Mexico. Oh
wow, we'll see if that
we'll see if that works out, but
yeah,
very cool.
I think I think it'll be cool. I
don't know. I've watched a bunch
of YouTube videos. Figure out
where I'm going here.
So, do you have any place that
you love playing that you look
forward to? Maybe we'll just
take Nashville for instance. Is
there a place in Nashville you
like playing better than
Brown's Diner, yeah.
Oh, Brown's Diner. Oh my gosh, I
haven't been there in so long.
Oh, you should come next time
we play. I will. Yeah, I haven't
been
there forever. Yeah, because I
love the burgers, man.
Yeah, they're still the same.
You know, they they they they're
still the same. They got Vince
Gill's seal of approval. Well,
in that case, I mean, come on.
Where are they now? Where's
Brown's? I've never heard of it.
It is really. It's here that
long. You haven't heard of
Brown's.
Yeah, it's right off 21st. It's
in a. It's in a little white
building, isn't it? Was
it the original part's a train
car, and that was that was the
original restaurant. It's been
there like 100 years almost. How
the heck have I not heard of
it? Yeah, I know. 10 years.
Yeah,
it's Nashville's old. It's like
their the oldest beer license in
Nashville or something. Really?
Yeah, it's been a bar for like
100 years.
Oh yeah, we got to go.
Yeah. Well, in fact, I've in
fact one time they had a because
I never bet. I'm not a betting
person, but they they were
betting on the Kentucky Derby
and they asked me if I wanted
to, and I so I did. I picked the
last horse nobody wanted. I won.
Oh wow! I won 200 bucks. Nice.
Yeah, very nice. Always remember
that. Terry, the guy behind the
bar. Terry still there? Terry's
still there. Terry's still
there. I love him, man. You guys
like Waylon Jennings. You guys
been
following the World Cup? Any big
fans, soccer fans?
No, I'm completely oblivious to
all that. Same here. I'm with
you. I'm I'm going to a soccer
game, but I don't think it's
part of the World Cup. You're
going to
see Liverpool
next.
Is it
next month or a couple weeks?
Nashville up at Nashville
Yottas.
I'm going tonight, actually.
Cool. Yeah. This this is uh this
is a couple weeks from now. My
my stepdad and my my youngest
brother are coming up for it,
and I and so they're taking me
along.
Yeah, did you guys play sports
when you were kids? Athletic at
all?
Not not especially no well t
ball. Not well.
I I feel your pain right there
with you.
Roller hockey
in the 90s. I sold pot to the
football players. All I did.
They really liked me. I played
in some marching bands.
Yeah, eighth grade. What you
played in marching bands? Yeah,
I played saxophone.
I played saxophone in the fourth
grade. I told my mom I wanted to
play the drums, and she's like,
"Ah, they're too loud. I like
the saxophone. Oh yeah, that
makes sense. That sounds
pretty loud. Yeah, I know. Yeah,
yeah, because
squeaky notes coming out of my
room for six months, and yeah,
it lasted about six months. I'm
like, dude, I am a drummer, and
she's like, oh, they're too
loud. Drums are loud. They
finally they they acquiesced in
2011 no 20 when I was 11 years
old so I'm a I'm a drummer but
I'm not a musician.
My parents bought me a drum set
after because I I took up cornet
in fourth grade and dad said he
wants to play drums yeah he
can't play cornet worth a damn
do you remember anybody in like
elementary
school, nobody played guitar or
bass in the band. No, except
when they got to like middle
school and high school. Yeah,
you know.
Oh yeah,
didn't wanted to get too risque
back in the 70s and 80s.
Well, back when I was playing
music, I I actually played
behind a guy that he was a
singer, and he happened to be
gay, so he was, and he wasn't.
You know, the girls loved him,
but I thought, well, hell, I
want to do that because I can
get the girls better because
nobody's paying attention to me
back here. Don't you guys find
that you wanted to be front men,
get the chance?
I've always been a fan.
Boy, this conversation just kind
of came to a calm. Leave it to
me to do that. No wonder I got
yanked off the radio. Family at
all got wives, girlfriends,
anything like that? No, I've got
a
girlfriend.
Nice.
I've got a band. That's your
wife.
That that's enough. It is. It's
running a business is what
you're doing. I mean, that's a
lot of people herding cats
is what I'm doing.
Wow.
Oh, right on.
Well, this is the album right
here, and I want you guys to go
out and get it because these
guys are great, and it's been a
pleasure to have you both on
with
us. Yeah, absolutely, and it's
cool that you've done the vinyl
and the you know the the whole
package here. You think CDs
will ever make a comeback?
There's some so you know the new
the new Wayland things issued on
cassette tape, right? Yeah, it
is. Yeah, yeah.
It's not like the isn't that the
worst possible medium that you
could put it out on. I know
it's it's really cool looking. I
I really want one though. Like
like it's got like this blue
label. Yeah, I want one for. I'm
looking forward to that,
and plus a good friend of mine,
he Waylon cut "Born Too Late"
like years ago, and the guy that
wrote that, Zach Van Arsdale,
has been begging them to put it
out, and they never have. He's
finally getting it on this
Diamonds album. Cool, awesome.
I'm looking forward to that.
That's going to be a good album,
Mike. Cool.
Yeah, yeah. I really enjoyed the
the last one. That was
oh, I did too.
Yeah, that was that was a trip.
It was. Are
you guys really in tune with
like the songwriter community
here?
I mean, I live on Music Row, so
I run into like songwriters.
Yeah, but I don't. We we haven't
done much last few years.
Haven't done much like co
writing or anything like that
again, because we're just mainly
kind of writing for
yourselves
for ourselves, but but yeah, I
mean, I I enjoy sort of being
amongst all the all the writers
down there and talking shop with
people that I run into.
On another podcast of mine, this
is has something to do with
songwriting, I promise. We had
George Burge on, and he was
talking about a story about. I
guess he signed up for TikTok,
and one of the first things that
he came across because he put
one of some one of his interests
was country music. He came
across a troll, if you will,
talking about how modern country
music is nothing but beer, beer,
truck, truck, dirt, dirt. So
he's like, all right, and he
wrote a song and actually
recorded it and tagged her in
it. He says, I I put it out
there, and the next morning it
had 3 million views. Wow! And
she actually cut, you know, got
back to him. They says he says,
you know what? I put it out and
I credited her as a as a co
writer on it. I'm like, that's
cool, man. Only in Nashville on
that
app. Well, that's a great thing
about Nashville is that it's
it's always had a good vibe
about it as far as creativity
and
yeah community yeah that's
that's the thing yeah I mean I
think that's the thing that that
you probably miss in those other
music music hubs not that I mean
I don't know that there are any
other I think this I mean
Nashville everybody's kind of
kind of here now I don't New
York
and LA are the only other two
really those the only other
two and I don't know how much
like organic scene there is you
know I mean not that there's
organic scene here right well
Austin
Austin is kind of like the
sister city to Nashville yeah
yeah
but it's been a few years since
I've been to Austin. I'm sure
it's
yeah,
it's changed a lot. A lot
of data centers. Yeah, probably
so. I just hope
Nashville doesn't lose that
vibe. I hope it doesn't with
what's happening with it. Plus,
I hated seeing like Sound Shop.
I was on the air one day and
they were tearing down Sound
Shop. God, that broke my heart.
Yeah,
yeah, we spent a lot of time in
Sound Shop. Yeah, we recorded.
That was the first
after we moved to Nashville.
That was the first real studio
we recorded in, and
it had such history. I mean,
Paul McCartney wrote recorded
there in Alabama. I mean, so
many people.
You had Brooks and Dunn, and
let's put
up a and let's put up an East
Berlin-looking condo. You need
to
you need to get like the
National Historic Registry of
Places to get on these things.
You know, for all these like
legendary studios.
It's like some some do and some
don't. It's Ocean Way is
one of them, right?
Oceanway. Yeah, I mean it's
well, it's still there. It's
affiliated with Belmont, I
think. So it's kind of,
but I think it's a historic
landmark. Yeah, I believe. I'm
not sure.
I mean, it should be if it isn't
by now. No, they all
should be. You know, because
even Porter Wagner's studio got
torn down, and I'm thinking,
gosh, man, that there was so
much history. Yeah, the little
corner
that I mean, I go to the the
Well Coffee Shop on Misa Grove
every morning. That corner
across from there was Ray
Stevens's office and studio
forever.
Yeah,
yeah. I mean, we you know we
live on Music Grove, so there's
a lot of yeah, a lot of stuff
getting getting torn down. And
again, I mean, that's kind of
the that was kind of the the
deal with the with the album
cover, was we you know there's
this place, the Sunshine Shop on
Church Street, and I was like,
well, it's it's not long for
this world, so let's go, let's
go shoot a shoot an album cover
there.
It's crazy how this town has
just changed in just the time
I've been here. Oh,
it is. I mean, it was kind
of it was kind of cool. I
remember my first boss in radio.
He says it's nice to work at a
city that had a skyline, and he
moved to Hart. I started in
Danbury, Connecticut. He went up
to Hartford, and he's like,
"It's nice to have a skyline.
Hartford had a skyline, and the
next town I moved to was Vegas.
I'm like, "Well, I guess you
could call that a skyline. It's
you know the desert and it's
casinos. But moving here, when
we got on the G Jack for a tour
down the river. That's when I
like you see Nashville all lit
up with the. I'm like, that's a
skyline. Yeah, you know. Now
it's so changed. Now it's
unrecognizable
skyline.
I saw something from gosh, he
was on. He was one of the news
guys, Bob something, Bob
Bueller.
I think it was him. He posted a
picture from 1984.
It was him. Did you see that?
Yeah, I did. Where
it was like nothing but the
Ryman in the background. Yeah,
that was him. Oh yeah, and it
probably had boards on the
windows. I'm sure. Yeah, the
windows were knocked out. Yeah,
I remember that. Yeah, and that
was sad because you talk about a
great venue. Gosh, and yeah, I
mean.
Luckily, that luckily,
you know what was really bizarre
to me was going to the Ryman to
see Alice Cooper, dude. I saw
Anthrax at the
Ryman.
I saw Ted Nugent, and I had to
leave. I saw that advertised,
and I was like, "Take my
money! They're going to wreck
this place!
My
gosh! Well, Ted
Nugent just about did because we
walked in, and I forgot
earplugs, and he was playing
stadium. Really, he was. I mean,
it was so you couldn't discern
anything. I mean, I loved Ted,
okay, but oh, I had to leave,
and then even well, the the
bodyguard from Inconsistent
Truth was there. Oh, really?
Yeah, and he said, "You leaving?
He said, "I thought you were a
rocker. I said, "I am, but
holy crap, this is-I'm going
to be deaf if I don't get out of
here.
Rush was always liked. I always
forgot how loud Rush was until I
went to go see them. I saw him
probably like eight times, and
I'm like, "Gosh, I forget by
forgetting how loud these guys
are. You know, amazingly, one of
the loudest shows I ever went to
was Heart at at Starwood
Amphitheater. Yeah, I mean, I I
couldn't hear for like three
days. You gotta wonder
if that's like you know like the
front of house guys. Like, nope.
I mean, it's pretty much we're
riding these gain levels like
normal. It's just something
maybe about the air quality or
something, wavelength travel or
something.
It's weird because I don't think
shows are. I feel like shows
aren't in general. They're not
as loud as they used to be. Like
in the 90s, they're not. Well,
they're
not. No, like in the
90s, you would get.
And well, the other thing is,
is, is like when you go see a
rock band now, with and and I, I
get it because logistics of
travel, where there's not any
amps on the stage where
everything's
no
everything's coming out of the
the front of house. You're not
feeling that air move from amps
yeah
on the stage. You're not
getting that deep purple effect
yeah yeah or the wall of guitar
amps that like one of them was
only
one was functional
yeah
so but yeah there's been a few
rock bands lately have, but it
seems just
technology. They, you can, you
know, you you don't have to be
as loud now to hear everything.
Well, Alex Van Halen talked
about like in his modern drummer
interview in the 90s. He talked
about how every tour, he's like,
yeah, you know, my my monitors
start out around two or three.
This is by the end of the tour,
it's like a 10. It blasts out
his hearing,
and that's why he's having ear
problems. Right.
Right. Yeah. What's like a dream
place to play for you guys?
That's on your bucket list.
I keep saying the Tampa theater
because I know that they're
redoing it, and I know they're
having bands there. And I've
always, and I grew up going to
that that theater, and I've
always wanted to to play there.
It's kind of like a sister
theater to like the Fox in
Atlanta or something. It's that
same same era, same design. And
then any other dream venue? I
mean, you know, I don't know.
I'm happy to play anywhere,
anytime. I tell
you, great theater here locally,
and I would love to see you guys
play there. Is the Temple
Theater in Portland? It is
beautiful. Crill, okay, yeah, we
got to get you in there. All
right, because I know those
guys. So it's way up there.
Yeah, it's way up there. But I
go, yeah, because I it is
phenomenal. It's got it's an old
theater, and they reopened it,
and gosh, it's beautiful.
Yeah, Chris Gold, and it's been
on our podcast. Chris, Chris
plays up there from time to
time.
Okay, yeah, it's the the Temple
Theater in Portland. Yeah, yeah,
I'll yeah, I'll check that out.
Well, I'll make it happen. I
really
like that new Harkin Hall venue
up in Madison.
I haven't heard
of it. Yeah, it's a pretty cool
little. Saw Gene Watts in there.
Wow, it's a brand. It's a brand
new. Yeah, it's a brand new
venue built from the ground up.
They're bringing back Music City
roots and oh cool. Yeah.
Have you guys seen the new one
that's called The Truth? That's
in the Wedgewood, Houston. So
haven't
seen. I mean, I've seen them or
heard about it and seen them
building it, but is yeah. My
my wife was looking around.
She's like, Sting is coming to
this place called the Truth. I
said, Really? Is that playing
Bridgestone or anything like
that, or the the Ryman? What's
the Truth? We look it up and
it's like you know, in you know
where the sounds used to play
right around the corner. Oh wow!
And I'm going. What the heck is
there? And it's like it's a
little club kind of thing, club
feel. Yeah. Well, it's
Live Nations. It's Live Nations.
Okay. So yeah, it's like
that's how
they're getting these big acts
then.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
the tickets are $850. Yeah. The
more intimate feel you want, the
higher you guys. It's so that
all the because like
the what the AEG has the
Pinnacle and then Ryman still
has the Ryman and then Live
Nation needed a needed a Ryman
size venue so they just built
one.
Well, they're selling it now. I
guess Ryman is selling the
Ryman. They're selling the
steak. I think yeah. There's
what what what what. Are they
selling exactly the rhyming or
the or the offer? Both, both,
both, yeah, both.
Cool. Well,
every guy's got some investment
money. Go into it. Yeah,
I guess we all pooled. What do
they call it? The being Disney.
Disney presents the rhyming. We
would like 1/1000 of a share,
please. And then after we do
that, we'll be living with Jesse
on Music Road because we won't
have our homes anymore. Well,
guys, I guess we should wrap
this up so you guys can get
along with your lives. But we've
enjoyed it so much. I hope you
guys have as well. Yes,
it's been fun. Well, very cool.
And Sunshine
Shop, please go out and buy it
because these guys are
phenomenal, and you need to
experience them for yourself,
and go see them anytime they're
coming near you to play.
How do people find and follow
you? What's the best time?
Jesse and noah.com, and then
we're on all of the socials, and
we're streaming on all the
platforms.
Well, I just went ahead and
followed you, son. Cool. One
more.
Yeah, I've been following you
guys for a while, so it's really
cool to to finally meet you.
Yeah, yeah, very cool. Well,
it's
good to finally get to talk to
you after seeing you at
Deborah's parties. But see,
they're always people are always
around them talking, and I don't
want to interrupt. So now I get
to. So next time I go to the
party, I can talk. Just gonna
butter right in. I'm gonna butt
right in. Hey, these guys were
on my podcast. Well, hey guys, I
mean, maybe we do something a
little different, Johnny. I
mean, not to spring something on
you, but is there another tune
that you might want to play to
kind of play us out here? Play
us out, doing something a little
different. I
love it. Take a request. Yeah, I
told a lie. Let's there you
go. Tuning.
All right. Yeah, it has been
terrific to have you guys.
I told a lie every time I said I
didn't love you. You know I
didn't mean it at all. Don't
wanna see you cry. I told a lie
every damn time I said I love
you. Something always happened
to me to make me a fool. I
promised myself from then on I'd
play it cool. So I told a lie
every time I said I didn't love
you. You looked I didn't mean it
at all. Don't wanna see you cry.
I told a lie. You shouldn't know
better. There's a difference
since you and I started to be
more than friends. We always
kept going when the going got
tough. All I can say is I can't
say I'm sorry enough 'cause I
told a lie every time. time I
said I didn't love you, you know
I didn't mean it at all. Don't
wanna see you cry. I told a lie.
I told a lie every time I said I
didn't love you. You know I. I
told a lie. Nice.
Yeah.
There we go. All right. There he
is. Man, I hear a little, little
Everly Brothers. Yeah, I did too
on that. That's great tune. I
love that song. Jesse and Noah,
thanks again for coming by. And
Sunshine Shop, please go out and
buy this record because I'm
telling you, every home should
have one. All right, yeah. Tell
them where they can see us and
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