Different Life | 026 | How to Curate Your Social Media Feed for a Healthier, Happier Life

Episode Summary

Your social media feed may be one of the people you spend the most time with.

In this episode of Different Life, Gary and Peter explore that idea through the familiar principle that our behavior is heavily influenced by the people and environments around us. If spending time with healthy, active, positive people can influence our choices, what happens when hours of our attention are instead spent with an algorithm deciding what we see?

The conversation begins with Gary describing a remarkably upbeat employee he repeatedly encountered while on vacation. His attitude seemed to improve the mood of everyone around him without any obvious effort. That experience leads Gary and Peter into a broader discussion about emotional energy, how people mirror one another, and whether we can become more intentional about the influence we have on other people.

They then turn the same idea toward social media. Instead of viewing Instagram, X, and other platforms as inherently negative—or assuming everyone needs to quit them—they consider a different strategy: deliberately training the algorithm. By following and engaging with content related to health, exercise, nutrition, sleep, mindset, philosophy, parenting, or other meaningful goals, could your feed begin supporting the life you're trying to build instead of distracting you from it?

Key Topics Discussed

Why one unusually happy stranger made such an impression on Gary
How our attitude can influence even brief interactions with other people
The difference between genuine positivity and forced customer service
Why people often mirror the emotional energy they're given
The idea that you become like the people you spend the most time with
Why social media may need to be considered another major influence in your life
How algorithms respond to what you stop, watch, click, and engage with
Removing or reducing content that creates anger, jealousy, anxiety, or unhealthy cravings
Intentionally following accounts aligned with your personal goals
Using health, movement, nutrition, sleep, philosophy, parenting, and business as potential content categories
Whether resetting your social media algorithm can help break a negative feedback loop
Why completely avoiding social media may not be realistic for everyone
Teaching younger people how to use social media rather than assuming they'll never use it
Becoming an active participant in shaping your digital environment instead of a passive consumer

Chapters with Timestamps

00:00 — Vacation, Falling Apart & a Remarkably Happy Stranger
Gary returns from vacation and shares the story of an employee at a small Folly Beach market whose attitude immediately stood out.

03:00 — Can You Make Every Interaction Better?
Gary and Peter discuss whether it's possible to leave strangers a little happier simply through your attitude and behavior.

07:00 — The Energy You Give Is Often What You Get Back
Peter examines his own tendency to approach customer service interactions defensively and how people mirror one another.

12:00 — You Become Like the People Around You
The conversation shifts to the familiar idea that your habits are influenced by the people you spend the most time with.

13:00 — Is Your Social Media Feed One of Those People?
Gary asks whether social media should be intentionally curated around the person you're trying to become.

15:00 — Can You Actually Train the Algorithm?
Peter questions how much control people really have when platforms track attention, scrolling speed, and instinctive reactions.

19:00 — Anger, Jealousy, Cravings & Comparison
Gary identifies types of content that may negatively influence mood and behavior.

21:00 — Build a Feed Around Healthy Habits
Gary and Peter discuss movement, nutrition, sleep, relationships, mindset, philosophy, parenting, and professional development.

25:00 — Resetting Your Social Media Algorithm
Peter reveals that it's possible on some platforms to reset recommendations and start retraining what appears in the feed.

28:00 — The Social Media Experiment
Gary agrees to reset a personal feed and intentionally rebuild it around topics that support his goals.

30:00 — Curating the Way You See the World
Peter explains why philosophy interests him and how changing the way you think can change your lived experience.

31:00 — Stop Being a Victim of the Feed
The episode closes with the argument that social media isn't going away, so learning to use it deliberately may be more useful than simply fighting it.

Notable Quotes

“What if the goal every day was to make all of the people you encounter a little happier for having met you?”“You tend to get back at you what you give off into the world.”“We need to view the social media feed as another person in our life.”“Comparison is the thief of joy.”“Rather than just sit back and be a victim of social media… let's use it to our advantage.”

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Creators and Guests

Host

Gary Donia

Gary Donia, MSPT is a physical therapist and Chief Operations Officer at Whole Health Solutions and Sports Performance. With more than 20 years of experience, he helps individuals and athletes recover from injury, build strength, and improve long-term physical capability. Gary focuses on identifying root causes, creating practical plans, and guiding people toward sustainable health and performance. In addition to his clinical work, he coaches high school and Legion baseball, applying movement principles to develop resilient, confident athletes. He lives in Townsend, Massachusetts, with his wife Jessica and their two sons, and is passionate about helping people build healthier, more capable lives both on and off the field.

Host

Peter Brouillard

Peter Brouillard, DPT is the Founder and CEO of Whole Health Solutions and Sports Performance. As a physical therapist and strength coach, he works with individuals and athletes to recover from injury, build strength, and develop long-term resilience. Peter takes a whole-body approach to health, integrating exercise, lifestyle habits, and performance principles to help people exceed their goals and unlock their potential. His focus is on practical strategies that create lasting change, not quick fixes. He is passionate about empowering people to take ownership of their health and build lives defined by capability, confidence, and meaningful progress.

What is Different Life?

Most people don’t need more motivation. They need a different approach. Hosted by Gary Donia and Peter Brouillard, Different Life draws on years of experience helping people navigate pain, movement, recovery, and performance — but the conversation goes far beyond health alone.

We talk about:
• Strength training as a life skill
• Back pain, mobility, and injury recovery
• Pelvic floor health and durability
• Sleep, stress, hormones, and energy
• Performance and longevity over 40
• Discipline, habits, and identity shifts
• Parenting and modeling health
• Relationship-based healthcare

We discuss these not as isolated topics, but as part of a bigger question: What does it look like to live differently, not just try to live better?
If you feel stuck in patterns that no longer fit who you want to become, this show is for you. Because better often keeps you in the same cycles. Different changes your trajectory.

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Gary: [00:00:00] What's up? What's up, buddy? What's up?

Peter: buddy? We're back.

Gary: What's up? What's up?

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Um,

so I was on

vacation.

Peter: Yeah,

Gary: too. As you know.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: And,

well,

one, I realized that taking a week off from exercise, I think I just completely fell

Peter: You didn't do shit

Gary: on vacation? My body,

fell- Well- I walked a lot. Yeah. I mean, I did some

pushups every day or

whatever. Yeah.

Peter: Did you do squats?

Gary: No.

Peter: Well, that's why.

gotta, you gotta hit the knees, hips, and ankles.

Gary: Anyway. Yeah. Since returning, I've basically fallen apart. I thought I had a stroke the other day.

All

joints

seem to hurt. Anyway, that's a story for another day. You

Peter: also probably

ate like shit.

Gary: It wasn't horrible, but yeah, worse

than usual, yeah.

Yeah.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Um,

however, Cameron, have you ever come

across,

like, a person

you don't even know-

Peter: Mm-hmm ...

Gary: that just

genuinely sort of just makes you happy?

Peter: Very rarely.

stranger in public?

Gary: Total stranger in public. Oh,

Peter: that's

very rare.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: So there's this market at Folly Beach where we go in South Carolina, and it's called Burt's. It's an old... It's one of those [00:01:00] markets that you would see, like a

general store.

Okay. Kinda

you would

see it like on a, like a sitcom, like a, not

a sitcom, but like

an old TV show or

or something- Yeah ... you

It's pr- probably been there for whatever, you know, 100

years,

And it has,

a little bit

of everything inside

of it. You can get food there.

You

get,

like groceries. But if like you buy the toilet paper, like it's the last one.

Okay.

Peter: Okay.

Gary: You know what I

mean? Yeah. It's

it's got like a random jar

of nails.

Peter: Okay.

Gary: You

like if you need

nails,

like, you're just buying-

buying- It's

Peter: been

for a long time.

Gary: Yeah, you're just buying

this jar. Yeah. And that's what your nails are. You're not, you're not selecting all the different size nails. Like this is just

you're getting. Yeah. So

Yeah. So if there's a

hurricane coming,

this is your

jar of nails. There's your jar of

nails. Pay your jar of nails.

like good luck to you, right? And but it's a ni- you know, they have beer and wine, and we go there all the time. Like Caden

Yeah ... discovered

it the first year we went to Folly Beach, and we go there all the time. It's a great little market, and it's always...

It's 24 hours a day, seven days

a week,

365 days a year, and it literally never

closes. Wow.

Um,

can get free coffee

there. You can, you know, like all day long. The hot dogs are 79 cents if you want a

hot dog. How do

How do they

Peter: make any money?

Gary: They don't. Yeah. It's just,

like a loss

leader. It's...

Yeah. But anyway,

so it's a

great little market.

We [00:02:00] go there all the time. So we went there a bunch when we were on vacation this past time, and there's a kid who works there. He's gotta be in his early

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: And

he's

clearly a surfer kinda dude,

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: And he wears

like little

straw hat, right?

And,

and his blonde hair is coming out,

like the sides.

Mm-hmm. And anyway, he's

behind the counter, and he's

just

just drumming away. There's music behind

him.

Peter: And

Gary: he's just standing there at the register. He's waiting for the next person. He drums away, a big smile on his face. And he comes up, and then you come up. It's like your

turn. He's like,

"What's up, man?" Like- "

Peter: How

doing?

Gary: How

are you doing today?"

"What

a great day." Like, and

he like just like, uh, goes on

with you. He

Just,

He's like gives you your stuff,

and

he's just like, you know, it just makes you- Mm.

Like,

you can't help but, like, one, he's genuinely just a happy person.

He clearly loves the life that he's living.

Yeah. Right? Early

20s,

mid-20s, living in a surfer town, working at this little store. Probably finishes at like midday, goes surfing the rest of the day, hangs out with his buddies at night, starts the process over the next day. Yeah. He seems like he [00:03:00] literally couldn't be happier. Mm-hmm. It like comes off of him.

Like it makes you feel like good.

Peter: Yeah ...

Gary: and you can't

help but like sort of smile and feel good.

Peter: you

could feel if that was customer service-y, like, if that was whatsoever.

Gary: Totally. No, it's just him. Yeah. It totally is just him.

Just drumming away

the music, big

smile, like loves like he's like not bitching about being at

work. Mm-hmm.

not

grumpy.

He's not like being like, "Yo, what do you want? You

Oh, you want ice cream.

that

means

I have to do

extra work." You know, like, whatever. Yeah. Not that we got ice cream,

of course.

Peter: Yeah, right.

Gary: But anyway, I

I was just thinking like this kid is like a great example of just like a great way to like

live.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: Like try

Peter: to- Life

Gary: to- Life's

Peter: great

Gary: try to have that- Be more-

involved ... sort of impact

on the other people around you-

Like, all of the time.

Peter: Did

you,

Did you ask

him about any

Gary: No. Or was

Peter: it just, like, a-

Gary: No, that

place is, like, slamming business

it's

is slamming. He doesn't have

time for

doesn't have time for,

a philosophical

conversation. Hmm. But-

Peter: I,

I, I gu- I, I guarantee you, I,

I would bet that he has no

idea-

Know what? ... any of that.

Gary: No.

Peter: He was just being

himself. Just

Gary: himself.

Peter: And by, by being that way, [00:04:00] he happens to, like, exude, like, that, like, relaxation and confidence- Right ... and and-

and-

Gary: Like, he just makes everybody- ... carefree ... who goes in there and

interacts with him, I think they're happier because of it, like when they

leave. And I thought

that was,

like really

interesting.

I'm like, "Oh, I'm

wondering, I'm like...

I feel like most people after they interact with me are probably a little bit more miserable than

they were

they-

Peter: Not if you care, not if you care about people

Gary: before they started.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: What do you

think people are,

are after they, after they finish talking to you?

Either happier or less happy?

Peter: It depends on their relationship with me.

Gary: No, strangers.

Peter: Oh. I mean, I'm

cordial, but I'm not,

overly

friendly unless there's a reason to

be.

Gary: Yeah, I mean,

I've heard you on the phone with, like,

busine- like, um, whatever, customer service

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: You don't exude, like, happiness about it. Yeah,

Peter: because I'm a- because I'm annoyed

annoyed that I have to- You

Gary: go

into it-

Peter: Yeah,

sure.

Gary: Yeah, you go into it with sort of a

defensive- Mm-hmm

sort of like

tone about you. Like, why

Peter: do

I have

do this right now?

Gary: Yeah,

You're

You're annoyed

that you have to

the call. Yeah. But it's not that person's

Peter: Totally. Yeah.

Gary: Like,

they're just answering the phone for

you.

Peter: Yeah, it's never

about the other

person.

Gary: You of- It's about- But I, I don't[00:05:00]

you... Like, what happens if you go into like

like a store, like

a convenience

store or something?

What are you

like? I

Peter: generally hate shopping.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: So are you grumpy? So

Peter: probably just... I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm grumpy. But I'm

not, like,

super excited. Just

let me- Kind of indifferent, yeah ... like, let me

pay you. Hi, how you doing?

Great.

Gary: Mm.

Peter: And the, and then that's it.

Gary: I wonder if

you could change that.

Peter: Yeah, I don't know.

Gary: What if the goal every day was to make all of the people

you encounter a little happier for

having met you, even in the brief-

Peter: Mm

Gary: that

they meet you?

You know what I mean? Like, you don't

to have a relationship with somebody to make them

happy.

Peter: Yeah, sure.

Gary: They could just have a really positive experience.

Like, I know some

people will do a thing, like

for instance, if you're going to Dunkin'

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: And,

um, so you're getting a coffee or whatever, and there's like, I don't know, a person behind you waiting

in line.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: And you just say to the person, "Hey, I'm just, I'm gonna pay for their thing."

Peter: Mm.

Gary: Not

that you're... Not that paying for

something gonna make someone happier, but like

doing a

general, like

random act of

Peter: Yeah

Gary: sort of thing. But what if you took that approach to just sort of like, I can make... Without doing that, I can just [00:06:00] make somebody happy by

smiling,

by maybe being inquisitive about them.

Maybe just,

like being part of their like, you know, their

happiness

in some

Peter: I-

so I have never developed or practiced that skill. Like I need a relationship with you or a reason why we're

interacting-

Gary: Yeah ...

Peter: as opposed to, like, a random person in public.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: For me, it just, yeah, it's, um-

Yeah, I don't know.

I've never developed

skill at all.

It's hard.

Gary: I think

it's interesting.

It's

Peter: challenging.

Gary: I think it's like a fun thing to do. And I don't mean random meaning like you're just walking by somebody on the sidewalk and you make a point to like make it awkward or

I mean, that's

nice,

too. Like, we, we joke all the time here- Yeah ... that the people in the hallway-

Peter: Mm ...

Gary: that we walk by every day, they often put their heads

Peter: because they're

heads down. Well,

trying

Gary: us. They're like avoiding us.

Peter: You

You know? They don't wanna interact. It's, like, silly.

Gary: So I don't mean

that. I don't mean, like,

stop somebody in

the hall. I

you

Peter: Are you... So are you wondering if

as a by, like by living that way, your, your world is better in general? Yeah. Right? Yeah. So

Gary: Cause like I said, he

seems like

one of the most- Yeah ... happy people,

right?

seems like nothing could bother this guy.

Well,

Peter: there's something like,

like the [00:07:00] being carefree is anti-anxiety, right?

Yeah. It's like the opposite of anxiety. It's the antithesis of

it.

Yeah,

Gary: and he works in customer

service.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: It's like most people in customer... Well, maybe that's a generalization. A lot of people in sort

That have

deal with people all

day

Peter: long- Mm-hmm

Gary: don't

act like that.

Peter: No,

totally not.

Gary: And we

generally don't feel better having,

having spoken to

Peter: with

them, like it's

annoying.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: I think

that's probably part of it, right? Like my whole

life I'm just used to customer

service being painful.

Gary: Mm-hmm.

Peter: So I probably just go into it

with like, "I can't just wait to

get this over with.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: And then therefore, then you develop that personality regardless of, like, who the

human is in front of

you.

Gary: Right.

Peter: So.

Gary: You

would

wonder, I wonder-

if I, if you're more aware of it, like anything else, you- the only

way to make

change is to be

it.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: So I wonder if you're more aware of your general interactions now, like next time you go into

whatever, the gas station, convenience store- Mm-hmm

something, I don't know

something, I don't know.

know.

to be like genuinely

kind and happy- Mm-hmm ... and

see how the

other person reacts to it.

Peter: I'm

sure it'd be great.

Gary: You know? Yeah.

Versus cordial. Transactional.

Transactional.

Peter: I hate transactional.

Gary: You know what I mean? 'Cause that's what it [00:08:00] is

of the time.

Peter: So,

so here's

what I noticed,

though, is, so I think there's this weird cycle.

Tr- okay.

I've thought about

this way more

than you

probably have any idea about, but,

like I've noticed this about myself

for a long,

long

time, and I actually hate it.

Like I hate that I'm cold and awkward in customer service situations.

customer

Gary: service situations. I it

all the time.

Peter: You watch me do

it?

Gary: Yeah, every time I watch

you g- like, make a phone call or listen, I'm sitting, like, in this room next to us here and you're on the phone.

I'm just like, "Why

does he have to be such an asshole?"

Peter: To, to customer service people?

Gary: Yeah,

just sound

cold.

Peter: I'm

an asshole, but I'm just like-

It's, but it's

it's very

Gary: There's a coldness to it.

Peter: Mm.

Gary: And, and

there's

sort of like a defensiveness as if, like, they're gonna, like...

If this, their goal is to kinda F you

over

Peter: Hmm ...

Gary: and, like, you're trying to catch them, '

Peter: cause it- 'Cause that's what it feels like in my experience-

Gary: times. I know. I know.

and you go

into it like that ...

Peter: service

is generally a very

negative

for me.

Yeah. Yeah. Um,

so I don't, so then

therefore, I don't know

how

much of that is on my end

or on their end.

Um-

Gary: Yeah, I wonder if you're creating that for

Peter: Hmm.

Gary: I wonder. I

[00:09:00] don't know.

Peter: Hmm.

Gary: all of us, not just you, just, um, we're talking about

but-

Peter: Yeah

Gary: know, I wonder if we create that by

going into it with that, whereas if we went into it the other way- Mm ... or any kind of interaction we have in any sort

scenario,

the kill them with

kindness

Peter: approach.

think it's often reinforced by

when I'm like, okay, and I'm, I'm like I try to practice it, right? I'm in, I'm in line,

and I'm gonna like, okay, when, when it's comes my turn to talk to

the person at the

Gary: Yeah

Peter: I'm gonna be a different person, I'm

gonna be wicked

nice.

I think

when I've done that, I get met

with like the

essentially, like,

go fuck yourself.

Like, they don't want have, to have anything

do with what I'm trying

to do in that moment. Yeah. And then so I think that reinforces like, okay, so I'm not, you

know, what am I doing?

Gary: I

the difference with this kid is he doesn't give

Peter: Yeah ...

Gary: what

they, what you meet him with.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: No matter

what, he's just gonna be happy. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, he's just gonna

be drumming away- Yeah ... and

And he's

like, "It's

great

day," like,

sunny. I'm

It's good

Peter: to be 22 and carefree.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: You know? Yeah.

Gary: Like,

don't know. Yeah.

But I wonder if there's like, if that,

at that

lack

of giving a shit- Mm ... [00:10:00] allows him

to, whether you bring it...

Whether you give it back to him or not, he does not let it deter

him.

Peter: Mm.

Gary: So I wonder if it was the same for us, if we just didn't care what the other person did back, and we just were happy hoping that our happiness would rub

off.

Peter: That's so hard though, right?

Yeah. 'Cause it's like,

it's almost not human. Like,

we, we, we so

instinctively, um, react

to each other's energy- Yeah ... that like you're right, right? If I'm coming into a situ- or to a social situation cold, then that person's gonna feel my energy, and they're probably

gonna mirror it.

Gary: Right.

Peter: Um, yeah, so. And

Gary: we get what we,

we-

Peter: You tend, yeah ... I mean- You tend, you tend to get back at you

what you give off into the

world.

Gary: Right.

Peter: For sure.

Gary: Anyway, something to

think

Peter: Mm.

Gary: I just noticed it. I thought it would be cool to talk about

it.

Peter: Mm.

Gary: I,

I don't, I, you don't run across too many people that are just unconditionally... I'm sure this person has bad

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: I ran across

But

Peter: those were

his

mo- th- those moments were the ones that

were the ones

resonated

Gary: like four different days I saw

him- Yeah

and he was the exact same

person every single time. And I said, "Well, this [00:11:00] is just an ac- a- an accident. He's not just having a good day." Mm-hmm. "The, like, one good day. Like, this is just who this kid

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Yeah. And I thought I learned something from

it. Mm. And you're like, you know, how do you make

someone's day better without really trying? 'Cause he wasn't really

Peter: Yeah, it comes from within.

Gary: And he literally just did it 'cause he's happy.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: And

he was exuding his own happiness and just trying to make you happy in return with, like,

smiling

and drumming

and, like, asking you about your day.

Peter: Yeah. "Are

Gary: you having a, are you enjoying

beautiful day?" He would say stuff like that, you know? It was just

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: And then you don't have a, you don't, you can't help it but like, "Yes, I am. Like, yes, I am. Thank you for, like, pointing it out to me." Yeah. "Yes,

it's 90

degrees

sunny, and I'm in South Carolina with my family."

Like, "Yes, I'm enjoying this beautiful

day.

Peter: You

enjoyed your family vacation?

Gary: I actually did

enjoy it for the most

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Except for the first

day.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Where

struggled to- It was a hard journey ... where I struggled to go onto the vacation. "What am I supposed to

do here?

Peter: You know,

we never really talked fully about your vacation, but I guess that's for another time.

Gary: Another

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Yeah, we should get into the show, which is kind of similar. This is a similar concept to this show. So, uh, you've heard the concept, and we've talked about this on prior [00:12:00] shows, maybe in our former

podcast,

Yeah ... about y- you know, you

are the, uh, culmination, so to speak, of the five people you spend the most time

with

Peter: most time with.

Mm-hmm.

Gary: that's something that I'm always thinking about. I know you think about

too, right?

Surround yourself with good people, people that have similar values and maybe goals in life or whatever, that you're more likely to then do

things. I'm

Peter: pretty ruthless

Yeah. 'Cause

Yeah

follow that rule, and I'm like, "If you're a

negative

consistently,

boy, bye."

Gary: Get the hell out of here, right? And it, and it holds true for, like, a lot of things, right? Like, if you're

If you hang out with

smokers, you're more likely to smoke.

you hang

with drinkers, you're more likely to drink. If you

hang out with

people- It affects- ... who are fit, like- ... all

Peter: the things.

Gary: You're more likely to wanna, like, or to

practice, like, healthy habits, right?

So it affects everything.

If you hang

with readers,

you're more

likely to

read.

right?

And so then I was thinking about that

and I was like,

yeah,

like, this seems like

for

a lot of people would apply to their social media feed

Peter: Yeah, obviously

Gary: Right?

Peter: Yeah, but like way worse and way more immediate.

Gary: So, so I'm

thinking like

[00:13:00] should there

be or should we- Mm-hmm ... and this is like a thought experiment, and like I thought we would go through it a little bit together.

Like,

curate...

or can

you curate your, your

feed? Because

let's just...

This is part of our lives. Like, it's

not going away. Like everybody... You can minimize it. You don't do it, use it a

Peter: version is I don't go on it- You don't go

Gary: don't go on it ...

Peter: because I don't wanna be exposed to

Gary: But that's like rare, like rare, rare for the most part, right? Most people they're, they have some interaction with social media every week, one of

the platforms. Can you curate the feed

to help

you accomplish the things-

Peter: Hmm ...

Gary: in life

that maybe you're working on, right?

So for instance, if you're trying to

lose

Peter: Mm-hmm

Gary: If you're

trying to get more fit,

if you're trying to read more, if you're trying... W-

whatever the thing is that you are

trying to do that is a, um, a better version, like a, an improvement upon your current situation. Yeah. Can you work to... Can

we use this

to our advantage?

Rather than viewing it as like a negative, like it's always

Peter: Yeah ...

Gary: can we

[00:14:00] purposely curate the feed to essentially make it the five people we spend the most time with so

that when we do go on and we- And so

Peter: your five topics

Gary: five topics ... and we doom scroll. Yes. Mm-hmm. We pick the five topics. We purposely follow in those five things, and I'll let you kind of explain what those five things are 'cause I think you have a good version of this in general.

Mm.

We purposely pick

people or things in those things that then when we scroll for the hour that we're scrolling- Ah ... that all we're seeing is like

people loving and reading

books, or people who are eating

healthy food,

or people...

Do you ever think about this?

Peter: With

social media

in particular?

Gary: Like, can

can we use it to our ben-

So it's, it's like, like anything

else, it's

like people wanna

complain about social media. Yeah.

Oh, it's so evil and it's killing, you know, their children or, you

Peter: I

have some thoughts as you... Yes.

Gary: But,

but can we, rather than do

the thing

which what most people say is the solution, but I don't think it's

solution 'cause it's not gonna go away-

is get off, yeah ... which is get off of it altogether.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: [00:15:00] Right? It's almost impossible, right? And it's just not

feasible

to think

that all of a sudden all

of humanity is gonna ditch social

Peter: It's

that.

Gary: can...

rather than try to fight

against it- ... can we use it for good?

Peter: Uh,

so-

I'm

wondering, and I, I, I,

I totally understand what you're saying. I'm also wondering

if it's actually

possible because of the way that your algorithm is curated, in the sense that

like-

you know how like, um, if you are scrolling at a certain rate, let's say it's

like-

Mm-hmm

two frames a second- Yeah ... and you're going through it.

If you slow down as something catches your eye to like half a frame a second- Yeah ... and then you c- but you still keep

Gary: Right ...

Peter: it'll then

give

you another version- Right ... of that.

Gary: See

you slow

down again.

Peter: And then that seems ... So that seems

unavoidable because that's more, like, instinctual about what you like.

You, you literally

can't stop that. Yeah. So you have to be intentional about...

I, I don't,

to be honest, I don't know. You'd have to be, you'd have to know exactly what it is that affects the algorithm's [00:16:00] behavior.

Gary: Right.

Peter: And then I agree. I

mean, obviously like, right, you, you could search for, you could like write down a list and say, "Okay, these are the top five things that I'm interested in knowing about."

You could search for them, right? Yeah. And then like go click on those things more often, and then

like- Yeah, you start to-

to- ... you

get

things then more

often.

Gary: You try to trick the

Peter: But how do you get rid of the, like ... How do you get

rid

of the things that you can't

avoid? Like, all of those, like, basic biological instincts.

Like, what is it for men? Like, you're gonna see, like, you

Gary: Scantily

Peter: clad ladies ... a woman in yoga pants- Yeah. ... and a sports

bar- ... and it's like,

you're

Speaker 5: trying

Peter: not to look- Oh, yeah ... but it's like you slow down. Don't slow down. Yeah. Just keep going.

Gary: sp-

Peter: And then like, oh, I know, and he went, "This is a

guy.

I don't know how you avoid that

shit.

So,

Gary: I

think, I mean, just based on my

interaction with it, it seems to heavily skew towards what it, like what you, like you said. So the, the start is to purposely slow down and/or click- Yeah

on the things that you, that are positive for you, right? So, so-

Peter: So wouldn't

you just get off the feed and use the search function?[00:17:00]

Like, wouldn't that be a

better

of it? No,

Gary: it? No, because the feed is like entertainment still, right? For

instance-

Peter: Most

definitely entertainment ...

Gary: so let's, let's use

as like a thing. My, my wife,

Jessica- Yeah

her feed is almost

entirely food. For,

Peter: for

for

somebody who weighs 100 pounds- Yeah ... God, she's obsessed with food.

Gary: but

one could imagine that if your feed was entirely food, and let's just say it's not... 'Cause most of the times it's not.

one of her favorite, like it's

like a married couple.

They make like

great variations of like almost, I

know if it's like, it's almost like Taco

Bell-type things.

They, they make like a

crunchwrap.

Okay. Like this amazing like Crunchwrap, which is like tortillas with the beef. You know, you make it on a griddle. They do a lot of different things on griddles, I

I think.

But they make... So it's not really healthy, right? It's kind of healthy. It's not horrible. It's ground beef and

And like, but there's, there's

obviously tortillas, and there's cheese, and there's like whatever.

Yeah.

lot of the stuff that they

is like,

looks amazing.

Yeah. And

they make these

like kebabs, and they make like different,

you know, whatever, but they're like not super healthy. Like, I think the one they made was like...

I forget exactly

what it was. It was like, it was like a

[00:18:00] ground

beef like

kebab. They

lot of

with ground beef. It was like a ground beef kebab where it was like each lay- each thing was like sliced. You cut it, and I don't- Right ... I don't... Anyway, my point is, is rather than follow those people- Yeah ... right, or slow down on those things, maybe she follows a salad channel or something.

something.

You know? Yeah. I

know ... I

don't know.

But, or like I'm sure there's people out there, there's probably a lot of them, that it's like healthy versions of like everything, right? Like this is like... Or

if you're trying to do, maybe

you're trying to get more protein, or you're trying to whatever, but you just focus on that, and you purposely like watch that one, and then you watch another, and you watch another, and you slow down on that.

And then maybe the, the Crunchwrap people come, and you go past it

quick.

Peter: You would

have to be so intentional about

feed, dude.

I, yeah.

Gary: For a little while.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: And then I think at some point it

just

start

being

you, there would be less of the,

now it

knows you're not interested

the Crunchwrap

people,

and it would just like-

Peter: Until you start

doing

the Miles thing and then Boom's gonna

frame and

like, "Ah, scroll, scroll, scroll,

scroll."

Gary: you're like,

you're for the front-

Peter: just, it's so annoying because it's like,

because what- But, but- 'Cause what it is- But-

what, [00:19:00] what I think that you can't avoid

is these like-

Gary: They know you're

Peter: a instinctual

things-

that,

like you prototypically

prototypically, like,

Yeah,

Gary: yeah. Like meta knows- Those are people I like better

You start getting annoyed by that ... like if you're a man or a woman.

They

know if you're, what

you are.

Peter: know what age you are,

Yeah. They

know your- They know what things that you're

most likely interested

in.

Gary: So I-

Peter: And they

feed

Gary: that to you ... to some degree. Yeah. It's stupid But I think we can still do it. So like let's, for instance, like

the

things that

you would wanna unfollow, right, would be things that make you mad.

Peter: Yes.

Gary: Right?

sure. So for you,

it would be like

news, right? You get annoyed, like you don't like, like the news of, of just people being shot,

Peter: Yeah,

Gary: just don't want to negative information. It's negative, right? So things that give you anxiety, things that make you mad. Yeah. Thing- things that, for instance, like I don't understand

why I would care about somebody else's

vacation.

Peter: Sure, I

either

Gary: Right? Only- Some

Peter: people love that shit.

Gary: But no, they don't. No? No. It's only- Some people

Peter: do

Gary: they, it's only to make themselves feel bad about themselves.

"Why

aren't I on vacation?"

Peter: I mean,

Gary: that's-

are...

Peter: That's not why they're

looking ...

Gary: like,

But it, that's what happens.

Peter: I mean- You know

Gary: know what I mean?

It's like comparison is, is the thief of joy. If I'm, if I'm... [00:20:00] Now

I just

finished my vacation. Maybe I don't go on another

one for a year.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: But I get to o- two months

now, and I see Peter is posting about being in Aruba or

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Like,

" Oh,

man, like why? I

wish... How is it..." You

don't just think-

Peter: don't think it gives peop- some people

inspiration?

Gary: No. I think the

thought is like, "Why aren't I in Aruba?"

It's not like they're wa- looking at the people's Aruba vacation pics and being like,

"Oh, wow. That's amazing. Good for

them. I'm so happy

them, they get to go to..." That's not

happening.

Peter: I'm just a hot

take. I'm

sure there are some people that do that, too.

Gary: I

that hard to

Peter: believe. That's-

Gary: It's usually the opposite.

It's like, "Oh, look at

at th-" you

know ...

Peter: jealousy?

Gary: Yeah. I feel like

the only reason

you're posting it is to tr-

tr- to try to get people to be jealous of

you

Like, right? Like

Peter: why

would you do that? Maybe you don't even know you're

doing

because of that, but

sure, like the underlying is like, "Hey,

look at me."

Gary: Look at me.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: That's the only reason you post anything. "Look at me."

Peter: That's why.

Gary: Like whatever.

Peter: I kind of

Gary: like it. Yeah. I know, I

want anyone... That's why I

That's why I don't post anything.

Yeah. I think it's been like years since- Yeah ... I've actually posted something that wasn't work-related. Yeah. But when we do it

work related,

we're saying, "Hey, look

at us." Yeah,

sure. That's

the whole

point. Yeah, yeah. It's marketing, right? Yeah, that's

Peter: true.

Gary: But [00:21:00] anyway, so, so things, you know, anger,

jealousy, negativity.

Anything that's like a trigger

for you.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: Right?

for instance, for me, like I

have a sweet tooth.

If I'm following like all

things

Peter: Yeah

Gary: the chances that I'm gonna want some candy after scrolling are probably pretty high, or ice cream or whatever, even if it's like people making homemade versions of

Peter: So you're bringing this up because you're, it seems to me like you're saying that like your social media feed will probably influence behavior

or will influence

like your

or- I

Gary: we need to view the social media feed- Or- ... as another person in our life.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: Much like-

Peter: And what is it, what is it

giving you?

What is it making you think about? What behaviors are you... Yeah. Yeah. How

Yeah.

Gary: Like, mentally kwestion. And can we use it

for our advantage? Yeah. So for instance, like you have, uh, your pillars.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: So, so what are your, your pillars of sort of wellness, if you will, or,

Peter: Yeah

Gary: the things

that you pay the most attention

to, what are

Peter: I mean, so the four is going to be what am I, like what am I putting in my body, or like the food and

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: how am I moving well, exercise and physical activity, the people I spend my time with, and am I sleeping [00:22:00] well?

Gary: Right.

Peter: And

if you can do those four things well on a consistent basis, then you tend to live a pretty happy, healthy

life.

Gary: Right. So let's take

those pillars,

and let's, let's follow somebody.

Peter: Okay.

Gary: So for health and wellness, clearly you're gonna follow Whole

Health

Peter: Obviously.

Gary: Obviously.

Obviously. No, but you could follow, like give some other

examples,

maybe like Alex Hormozi.

Peter: Mm-hmm.

Gary: I mean, not

Hormozi. No. Sorry.

Uh, Andrew Huberman- Mm-hmm ... for

like health and wellness, maybe. He's a little boring, but whatever. Maybe like, who else? Like, or things or,

Peter: don't follow

people.

Gary: try to

follow people on social media. No, I know. But like, you

just try to think

of people that you

know

in your sphere of health and wellness, like exercise people.

Um, like in physical therapy there's Kelly Starrett who's like, um, who is the, what they, what's his thing called? Like the movement something or

Peter: He's like the,

the... Ah, so his, brand-

Gary: Mobility Wod ...

Peter: is Supple Leopard.

Gary: Supple Leopard, like mobility. So that's like mobility and stretching and whatever.

There's probably people-

Peter: Yeah. So

with. Yeah. So as a physical

therapist, you could follow people in your field that you respect that are into, you know, strength training or mobility

or-

Gary: so for us, like Eric Cressey or Mike [00:23:00] Reinhold or

or like, you know, some stuff,

people like that. Of course

Peter: Give you ideas for your

your clients.

Gary: so like depending on what kind of business you're in, maybe there's really good... Like I mentioned, uh, Hormozi a little bit earlier. Maybe if you're a business person or you own your own business or you're a marketing person, like he's a great person to follow to learn things about that. So like that, stuff like that.

For sleep

it would be, like uh, what's his name? Matthew Walker- Mm-hmm ... who wrote a book

Peter: Yeah, you know

Gary: about sleep. Right.

But

like he's an example or you could look up other authors who have written books about, about sleep. I'm sure they all

have-

Peter: Yeah ...

Gary: themes. Something to

Peter: offer, yeah.

Gary: right?

Um, for things like

nutrition-

any idea?

You gotta follow, you gotta

get-

Peter: I follow nobody

Gary: I gotta get... Yeah, but again, you know people, like 'cause you, you listen to a lot of podcasts.

Peter: Yeah,

I guess.

Um,

it's primarily... So if I'm listening to podcasts,

primarily around business.

Yeah. I don't listen to any of this stuff

in my own

personal-

Gary: So boring.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: But maybe, like, Brian,

It all

Brian-

Peter: It just

Gary: comes

my head We mentioned Brian Johnson

Peter: Yeah,

interesting. I like him. He [00:24:00] gets too much of a bad rap, but I think that, I think that he's putting out good in the world.

Yeah. Um, I think most of

his advice is actually pretty

good.

Gary: I,

I think like Tim Ferriss- Mm-hmm

is interesting from a health perspective. He does a lot of research in health. He gets into some weird stuff sometimes, but like he's, he's usually on like the forefront of the things that are like happening. Mm-hmm. Um, Peter Attia.

Mm-hmm.

Peter: I just follow Arnold

Schwarzenegger and, like, a bunch of my- Yeah,

friends. Yeah,

Gary: but

like listen, Schwarzenegger

would

be a great place to start because he probably has a ton of like, if you go

to his thing and go to who he's following-

Peter: Yeah ...

Gary: and you look and

it's like these different bodybuilders, like you probably get a million different exercise,

like,

Peter: too,

'cause he's a really smart guy, like obviously, and he, he have, he has a lot of practical advice when it comes to mindset, business, and just generally being

a good person, you know?

Gary: Yeah. And so I

think it's, like,

find those people. I think everybody probably in their own, uh, little way on most of their feeds, they probably have a few of these people sprinkled in already.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Because I think most people

want

to Like do different things differently in their [00:25:00] life? Like at

least- Yeah, most people want to be better ... at least one area. Yeah.

right?

They wanna, maybe wanna be a better

parent. So,

so seek

out,

uh, I think authors are always a great place

start. Yeah. Right? In the sense that- Even

Peter: if you don't read

Gary: it ... they've done research, they've written a book. So maybe you type in like books on, you know, top bestsellers

on parenting.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: And then you find that person's name, and then you go find their feed.

Yeah. And then from that feed you'll get other people coming in, and maybe you'll get some good parenting advice. And if you don't like the advice, maybe it's, maybe

doesn't f- you know,

serve you and you don't like their style, you find somebody else.

You

Peter: know?

Gary: It's probably a great place

place

Peter: to start. There's also this thing that

you can

do on social media

where

can,

reset your

algorithm so that- You

Gary: can?

Peter: Yeah.

So you, you, you reset it so it starts as

if it's a fresh account.

Gary: How

do you do that?

Peter: I don't know, but my brother

showed it to me- ... and he makes it sound so cool right now.

Th-

now. Th-

there's, it's in the settings, and it's actually hidden. So that's what you wanna hear. And he had to

go five clicks

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: And then like you reset it.

Yeah. And then it starts

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: So you can, like if you're in [00:26:00] like

this, like, wicked negative, like,

feedback loop and your alg- algorithm- Yeah ... has turned to shit, you can I

Gary: feel like that was important information that you were holding onto.

Peter: Yeah,

I was

waiting.

Oh. 'Cause I didn't

how to

start with

Gary: Like that's super

Peter: He showed it to

me literally on a vacation. He's like,

like, "Once a week I reset my

algorithm because, like, sometimes I just find that, like,

a lot of nonsense has accumulated."

Gary: Right ...

Peter: and then I reset it."

Gary: Yeah, but whose fault is the nonsense?

his. He's slowing

down

Peter: everybody. That's what I'm saying. But, like, it's un- dude,

I'm

telling you, that's... Like, this is the insidious thing that I don't know.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: Like, I've no- I've never done

experiment.

I'd be curious.

You should definitely run this experiment

next week and see if you-

Gary: Yeah ...

Peter: do,

Yeah. Like

reset your shit. Reset it. See what happens. Reset your shit, and then intentionally

only find the things, like maybe sit down ahead

of time.

"Hey, these are the topics I wanna follow." Find those topics, and then create more

of those

in your feed and see

what happens to your feed. See

Gary: what happens.

with you. See what happens. I'll do it with,

um...

I'll

try it. Well, I won't

do it with our work

one.

because the only Instagram one I go on is our work one.

Peter: cause otherwise you'd have to log out and go to your

personal one. Yeah,

Gary: it's like two [00:27:00] or three. Would you like do that? I do use, uh,

Twitter or

X- Yeah ...

Peter: as

Gary: it's

it's now known.

Peter: I of some people- 'Cause the one I used-

that only

have like puppies and kittens on their feed 'cause that's all they click

on.

Gary: I had shut off X for a little while. Remember we had talked about it on one of the shows. Yeah. I

I shut

it off, I deleted it

from my phone.

But what I realized is what I like from that particular feed, I don't use it a ton, is, is the news

I get from it, specifically around hockey.

Like for my son- Mm ... and who's, uh, you know, who is o- on his path with college hockey and junior

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: I

kinda learn about... My most of that feed, I'd say 90% of

feed-

Peter: X?

Gary: it, uh, for me, for my personal one on X, is all geared towards like

what's

happening in the world

of, like,

Peter: That's where you get your hockey news.

Gary: My

hockey news. Like, so the,

different

rules that

have been

passed in terms of like eligibility rules. There's different people

committing to different schools. Yeah.

There's people getting draft... Whatever it

is, I get my hockey news

from

But of course, that's not the only thing

gets on

Yeah. The feed gets

Peter: Yeah

Gary: you know, with other stuff. So maybe I'll look into reset it to find a way to reset

feed. You should.

And then see what happens. See what it

organically- Yeah, come

Peter: up with a plan ...

Gary: [00:28:00] trend. Or I could probably

on my personal

Instagram, to be honest with you,

Peter: You should be the one that does this. So why don't you... Do you agree to that? So next week res- so find a way to

Gary: I'll reset one of them.

Peter: And then

See what happens ... let's see

what happens. Yeah.

But be

about it.

Gary: Wait, should I

intentional

pick

the

things I want? Or

should I just see

what Instagram

thinks I'm interested in?

do-

Peter: a good

No, so

it starts- ...

Gary: try to do this ... I,

Peter: I what,

like yes, that's what I'm saying. So what it, what it'll do is you'll reset it-

Gary: Yeah ...

Peter: and it will reset to the el- Like, it'll reset to, like, your 40, you know- Yeah, my, my demographic ... whatever you're male, your demographics.

demo- your demographics.

Gary: yeah.

Peter: So

you still have to feed it what you

want, or else it'll start giving you things like, "Hey, you're balding," or, "Hey, you need TRT," or like,

How does it

Gary: know all this

Peter: I know

here's a bikini." You know, that's what it'll do.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: All right. So I'll reset my

then-

personal Instagram. Yeah. And then I'll start to

follow some of the people. So I think the areas that I'll look into is like health and wellness.

Um,

there's, like,

mindset, I love mindset stuff. Authors for sure, like books, reading, whatever, just in general. Um, we

nutrition,

[00:29:00] exercise,

um-

probably parenting. I can still parent, you know, I still, like my

are-

Peter: You're gonna be a parent forever, buddy ...

Gary: my

are old, but I could probably follow

that. Um,

what else?

Anything else? I like

Peter: Mine, so mine would

be- Yeah ... mine would be, um...

See, it's just so funny. Like, I don't seek any of this information out. May- maybe I'm being, like, an arrogant bastard, but,

like, I don't really feel like I need

hear you

talk about nutrition. Like I feel

like I know what I'm talking

about, you

Gary: You can always

learn.

Peter: I guess I can always learn.

Gary: mean, you're not perfect.

perfect.

Peter: I'm not... No,

Gary: I know. I mean, we

And we just

how you're an asshole to all the customer service

Peter: I'm not an asshole.

Gary: You

could learn something

that.

Peter: That's rude.

What I would probably follow is technique-based

physical therapy, like people that I respect. What you... What are you

saying?

Gary: Your feed will be so

boring.

You guys... It's true.

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: It's

true. You should do- wait, you should do

it on

your personal feed. We'll

both do it and see what

Peter: happens. It would be, it would- That would mean I'd have to go on my personal feed- That's true

which I don't even do.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: Yeah, it would

be stuff around

philosophy. I think, I think philosophy is the [00:30:00] most attractive to me because- Yeah ... 'cause you know why? 'Cause here's why. Because it feels like there is an

infinite amount of ways in which you

think about the world.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: And way in which you think directly affects your lived experience.

And

so like, boy, like

that's, like, infinite. Like, I love to get new ideas. Like,

I have never thought about the

world that way. Let me try it, and it

instantly affects behavior. Yeah. That's fun as shit.

Gary: That

was my point of the opening story about the kid behind the Yeah,

Peter: yeah.

yeah. I-

Gary: He's one of the only people I've ever seen that,

approaches-

the world like that, that outwardly, clearly, like, this is just, like, the

the way

he approaches the world, just

Peter: Life,

Life,

I genuinely believe, like, whether or not... Like, so from a science perspective, like, this is a chair, right? That's a camera.

But, but regardless of what objective reality says, it really only matters how I believe it, like, and think about it.

Like, really, like in terms of the way that it affects my personal, like,

outlook on life.

Gary: Yeah.

Peter: it doesn't

matter what objective reality

is,

you can curate your world

to be exactly the way that you want to live in it. You just have to think

that way

Gary: Right. [00:31:00] And

Peter: that's what ph- that's what philosophy is.

Gary: Right.

And I think we can curate our feed-

Peter: Yeah, that would

nice ...

Gary: shoot,

try to complement

that. I

Peter: agree. So then,

so then- That's it,

Gary: And just

yeah

Peter: because you have much more

And try

experience with social media than me- Yeah

which compared to the people probably listening to this is very limited, if it's

Yeah.

only two old

men

in a room. Uh,

would love to hear if you, if it's even possible, uh, with your intention to do

Gary: Yeah, I think it's certainly difficult, but I think it's worth doing. Yeah, agreed. And rather

than just sit back and, like, be a victim of social

media, which is what I feel like a lot of people are

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: think that it's really realistic. Like, I know, like, a lot of parents are like, "Not gonna give my kids a phone, and they're not gonna have social media," blah, blah, blah. At some point- Yeah ... whether your kid has a phone or not, they're on social media. They're gonna maybe looking

at their

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: They could be looking at something. They're not, like, not doing it. Right? Yeah. And at some point, they're gonna get their own phone, and at some point, they're gonna be on it. You know

what I

I mean? And so

it's, like, rather than

reas- you know, fight

against this world that we currently live in- No

it's like, well, let's use it to

our advantage.

What's the best way?

if possible, right? What is the best way to, to, to do And when I-[00:32:00]

Peter: I'm running an experiment right now. I just gave my 16-year-old like basically access

to Instagram.

on Snapchat- Yeah

like, you know, six months

ago.

Gary: Yeah. And

Peter: it's just

yeah,

let's see, I mean- See what happens

Yeah ... 'cause I'm not

It's just like, it's

just like,

it's just like anything else.

sh- you know,

when she's an adult, at

some point she'll get it, and then what? So it's

okay.

Gary: Yeah. It's

like, okay. Right. It's like not allowing your kids to swear ever, thinking that they're not doing it when they get on the bus like two seconds later.

Yeah. You know? Like, they're F-bombing all over the place, you know. And then they

home, and you're like, "Oh, don't you

say that in this house."

Peter: But you're doing

it everywhere else.

Gary: You're

doing

it everywhere else. You're just,

living,

this dual

Peter: Yeah.

Gary: Um, anyway, all right.

Well, I'll,

I'll

work on that,

and

then we'll revisit it on a future episode and see what

But-

Peter: sounds good.

Gary: I think it can be done, and I think it's important,

much like the people in your life that you surround yourself with, I think this is

one of

those people.

I think it has to be. It's

Peter: unavoidable. Yeah.

Gary: I think we have to view social media as another person in our

Peter: Mm-hmm ...

Gary: and try

to make it a positive

one.

Peter: I like this

conversation. It was fun.

Gary: All right. All right,

Peter: everybody.

Gary: Until

next time.

Peter: Peace.

Gary: Bye.

Peace. Bye.