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"Get your shizz together."
Those were the words that awakened one man after years of doing everything he thought he was supposed to do.
Gary Salyer, PhD, had spent years studying relationships, earning advanced degrees, and trying to heal his own life. Yet he found himself repeating the same painful patterns. Then one conversation forced him to see what all the therapy, knowledge, and hard work had missed.
No one should work this hard and still be stuck.
This episode is about finding the moment that changes everything. The moment that finally breaks the pattern. The moment that helps you stop repeating the past and start creating the relationships you've always wanted.
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SPEAKER_02: My first question
for you is I really want to

know.

I know you well.

My audience may not know you,
which is what is the crisis that

led you to the work that you're
doing now?

SPEAKER_03: What is the crisis?

You mean the series of crises?

SPEAKER_01: It's already
carrying.

We're all about telling stories
here, so give us the whole

story.

SPEAKER_03: You know, the crisis
was the never-ending.

You know, do you remember the
story, the never-ending story

that was a kid's show?

Yes, yes, yes.

Well, it turns out that I had
this thing in childhood, knowing

I came from a dysfunctional
family, and I said at seven, I

am never going to get a divorce.

Ever.

I will not be like my mom.

I will not be like my f my
uncles.

I will go to go and I will pass,
I get my 200.

Unfortunately, somewhere along
the line, I got a, you know, my

first wife asked for a divorce,
and I got in, I go, I got into

jail, so to speak, without the
you know, without the get out of

jail fast.

It was called divorce.

And so I do a whole bunch more
work.

I'd gone to college, get in a
psych degree, so that I wouldn't

have this.

And I'd gotten in the second
degree in marriage and family.

And so it was a shock in my
life.

I thought I'd done all the work.

So I do another 10 years of
work, and lo and behold, we go

to go, and there's no$200.

There's another, there's another
divorce called my second

divorce.

And the worst of it was having
done the work, I was not showing

up creating distance.

But some part of my my brain
found a partner who would

provide the distance for me.

So it doesn't matter where it's
coming from, the distance will

eventually eat a marriage alive.

And after a few more repeating
patterns, dancing with distance,

so to speak, not quite dancing
with the stars, mind you, some

part of me said, this has to
change.

And if I've done all this much
work, if I can't find the, you

know, the ways of changing this,
because no one should work this

hard and get the same results.

And that was sort of the crisis
that said, I'm not going out of

life without the love of my
life.

I've worked hard for it.

It's my incarnational purpose,
and it set me up to do the work

I'm doing.

Because nobody should work that
hard and still do the same

things over and over again, or
pick the same things, or the

same patterns keep showing up.

That was the crisis.

It was a long-going crisis that
hit me one day while shaving.

This must stop.

SPEAKER_02: So, what did you do
to make the transition so it

would stop?

SPEAKER_03: Well, there was, you
know, it was after one very

painful breakup.

And in this one, it was after
the second divorce.

I think I had gotten a little
flighty with love, and I'm and

it was with a woman that was
pretty secure.

And so in the universe started
speaking to me through a voice

that came from the ex uh at the
on the night she broke up.

She goes, You're too good of a
man to show up like this.

Why don't you go study some NLP
or something and get your shiz

together?

SPEAKER_02: Really?

I okay, that's a story I've
never heard.

That was the catalyst right
there, what she said to you.

SPEAKER_03: Yes.

The universe has a way of
speaking, and sometimes it

speaks through the female of the
species.

A lot of men have heard this,
you know.

And in the next couple of
months, I I really took that to

heart.

There was that, you know, and I
realized there's no way I can

keep saying it's on them.

And and I have done the work,
and it's you know, and all this

many years of therapy, you know,
all the grease of the whole

thing.

And I said, something is off
here.

If they can't figure it out,
then I will.

And that became my last purpose.

Well, what really helps the
brain create different

experience?

Because I, Gary, wanted
something different, but some

part of my brain was sneakily
going behind my back to create

the same situation.

You know?

SPEAKER_01: I think you just
described probably everybody

who's gonna be listening to this
podcast.

SPEAKER_02: That that that was
the story.

That was the story where
everybody's gonna go, I've done

everything that I know how to
do.

I keep showing up the same way,
or life keeps showing up the

same way, or I keep tracking the
same people.

So, how do you help those people
that are listening that are in

the story that you got out of?

SPEAKER_03: It's you know, first
off, we don't make any part of

that wrong.

We don't.

Some part of the brain is
creating this.

It's not the conscious part, I
mean it's the unconscious part,

you know, it's whatever caught
your attachment brain.

And it is doing it out of deep
loyalty and safety.

Back then.

Distance at one point in time
with a with a uh mentally ill

mother was my salvation.

I may not even be speaking here.

A brain that's not distance from
a volatile, violent mother is

taking the best deal available,
as I say.

So we don't make it wrong, we
don't judge it, we don't create

a parts conflict inside of
ourselves, we don't have that

inner critic saying, Why are you
doing this again?

But it's about doing the deeper
work, and it's not enough to

have a label, a label in five
bucks that Starbucks just might

get you a cup of coffee, you
know.

And I had labels, right?

I I had cognitive skills.

The real deep work that wasn't
available, you know, maybe when

I was doing some of that,
traditional therapy was all into

cognitive behavior therapy,
cognitive, not the deep emotions

that are running the ship.

And the real answer is deep in
your brain, you've gotten

feelings, and these feelings are
your motivational states, and

your brain organizes around the
feelings you got, and they're

protection, and there's filters,
and there's all sorts of ways,

and they and it sets it up that
you expect more, so you got to

protect against it, or I need
this to survive.

But all that was then, and this
is now.

You've got to be able to update
it, but how do you update it?

More thoughts, nice, but won't
do it.

Better feelings, there's your
answer.

You have to get your brain to
have better feelings running.

And I happen to, when I did my
own analysis of this, as I said

in my book, there's four
feelings that tell everyone who

is what's called securely
attached.

People that know how to find and
create and keep real love.

That's called secure.

Otherwise, the other options
that most people know about are

anxiously attached.

One does love to go away.

Oh my god, how do I lock this
down?

And so you drive people away
because you don't give them any

freedom or you're always
doubting them.

And then there's another, the
avoidance that seek distance or

calm things down to the place
where there's everything is

centering, there's no passion or
there's not much emotional

access.

In the middle are people who
have been given a feeling of

welcomed with joy.

So they search for welcomed with
joy, not rejected, not always

triumphant.

They're worthy.

They feel worthy at a cellular
level.

When they feel worthy, they they
find people who know how to meet

their needs instead of people
they have to overgive to or they

have to beg or they get great
breakfast from.

Cherished.

He's you know, having the
feeling I'm cherishable and

protectable.

So I can be a me in a we.

The we doesn't stifle.

It's not a bad thing to be close
and intimate.

That close, intimate we is going
to empower me to be my best

self.

That's cherished and protected,
and then empowered with choice

and voice.

We are empowered to create our
own experience, not be stifled,

you know, not to be become
invisible, not to give ourselves

up.

And we get to have a voice where
we speak our truth in a secure

way.

The real key to changing how
your brain creates love, creates

relationships, is to take any
feelings of unworthy, unwelcome,

uncherished, or abused, or
whatever you want to call it, or

disempowered, and to re- and to
find how, you know, the exact

flavor of safety, your brain
needs to reclaim them again.

Welcomed, worthy, cherished,
empowered.

Because my new concept I've come
up with is your original secure

self.

Everything, once you start
getting these other feelings,

unwelcomed, unworthy,
uncherished, and disempowered,

they we usually get them
earlier, maybe an older

relationship.

They become the emotional
template for what you're allowed

in the future.

They become the the little
cookie cutter for creating new

experiences.

And we just have to go back and
create better cookie cutters so

that we in that way we choose
people who will give us those

feelings.

And also just as importantly, we
know how to give it.

We know how to make people feel
the person we love feel

welcomed, worthy.

When you do that, people
naturally choose better, create

better, and repair better.

It's based on the emotional
feelings inside.

So having more more labels or
more cognitive skills, it

doesn't do you any good to study
Rosenberg's nonviolent

communication if you feel
disempowered and you don't have

a right to assert.

You can get, you know, the brand
one was how do we know Rosenberg

is safe?

We don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_02: It's like what kind
of wishery is this?

Are you talking about healing
the past?

Are you talking about changing
the past, Gary?

SPEAKER_03: No, no.

You know, I I you know, you have
to understand that when your

memories are encoded, they are
also given feelings.

There's an emotional soundtrack,
right?

I have this one little idea.

Just imagine the ending scene to
Sleepless in Seattle with Tom

Hanks and Meg Ryan.

Remember, they meet uh up on the
roof, right?

And now imagine, you know, I
think at the time there's you

know, you imagine if you're
meeting up there and they're

meeting for the first time, and
from an old past music tape of

Jaws is playing.

Well, that that that memory, as
that's what it feels like.

Oh my god, this is what it's
like to meet somebody.

Now imagine we can take that
soundtrack and we can put in,

you know, Frank Sinatra, old
blue eyes singing doot do do do

someday.

When, you know, and all that
good stuff.

That soundtrack gives you a very
different feeling.

Now, when we talk about the
past, we're not here to say that

the events are going to be
erased or we're going to give

some sort of hogwash that it
didn't happen.

But what we know from the
science, the neuroscience, it's

called memory reconsolidation
research, is once your brain

remembers a memory and plays the
soundtrack, there's literally a

five-hour window where the brain
is amenable.

It's open, it's labeled to
adding different feelings.

So one of them one of the things
I do is I help people go back,

find the painful memory that
created the pattern, but give it

a different feeling.

So it no longer creates a
feeling that is the real uh

emotion that's running the show.

I look back and there are
moments when I can still

remember being thrown against a
wall at age two or age 13 or 18.

There's a few of those moments
back there.

But I don't have to feel so
unsafe.

I can replace those feelings,
and so I can remember the

feelings, but not I mean, the
old feel I can remember them,

but I don't feel them anymore.

And I remember the memory, but I
don't have the feelings.

So as a result, for a kid that
was constantly feeling rejected,

I don't know if they're rejected
at all.

I have friends all over the
world, one of them sitting right

in front of me.

I am welcomable, you know, and
uh I am cherishable, which was,

you know, and so instead of
running those old feelings of

rejected and uh not protected,
so I need distance, I have the

same memories but with different
feelings.

And those different feelings
allow me to pick, choose better

because it's the feelings,
feelings are emotions, motivate

comes from the same Latin word.

They are motivating structures,
they tell us what's permissible

or not.

We change the emotional
structure.

And yes, if you're a man
listening to, I'm saying it's

emotional, then you change the
way the brain creates

relationships.

So we're not changing the past,
we're changing how the past

feels.

SPEAKER_02: So a few times
you've talked about yourself in

relationships and you say a
distance, distance.

What attachment style were you
running?

SPEAKER_03: I was running both
if you really want to get

technical about it.

The one I didn't mention is
disorganized.

You know, because five percent
or only five ninety-five percent

of the other three.

When there is extreme abuse
early on, a baby, a child is

seeking proximity.

And we know that if there's real
abuse and you've got a real need

to go toward, and a real need to
stay away.

And that does and for me, you
know, there was a part of me in

the way it showed up in later
relationships, some part would

sabotage seeking distance, and
then when I go breaking up, all

hell would break loose within
me.

I want her back.

If I got her back, then the
distant part, oh no, we got to

get that's disorganized.

That's disorganized.

Now it's more, I mean, I'm not
talking about situational

avoidance, but this is, you
know, whether, and luckily, I

was not the part of the dis 80%
of people with disorganized have

a cluster B personality
disorder.

Thank God some part of me, and I
think it was probably due to my

grandmother giving me some, and
because we stayed there for the

first five years of my life.

I think my grandmother gave me
just enough to keep me from

going down that road.

SPEAKER_02: So for our
listeners, describe what that

road is.

SPEAKER_03: Well, what that
looked like was well, if you

have cluster B personality, you
you wind up borderline

personality, a narcissistic
personality, and antisocial.

This now that Freud called it
borderline.

He called it borderline.

We're just on the border between
mental illness where you're

hospitalized and you can be
around.

If you're really looking, you
know, borderlines, like my

mother, have a you know, out of
nowhere their anger pulls up and

they and it's like walking on
eggshells.

Sometimes they do self-harm
things of that nature.

It's um, it's it's there's a
real more deeply seated, that's

not what I call middle normal
middle class craziness.

Okay, this is way over here.

Now, for me, I you know, I think
the fact that my my mother

rejected me so much, my
grandmother took over.

And so I have a lot of really
good memories of a grandmother

who would come over and say,
hey, let's make banana ice cream

together.

That that added, but when you
know, but on the other hand,

when you were you when you're
home with mom, there's you never

knew what was coming.

So when someone is doing better
than you would think they are

doing, like with all people,
then you know they got it

somewhere.

And I I think when I look back
at this, I think some part of my

soul chose this.

So I could have sat with both
sides, the anxious side, the

avoidance side, so then I and
now I'm secure.

So I know I knew what questions
to ask.

I could tell from reading
research, this is a this is

relevant, and that's a nice
piece of research.

Beautiful footing, not clean.

SPEAKER_02: When we talk about
psychology, basically they tell

us we can't change.

So, what part of you decided
that that wasn't true?

SPEAKER_03: Now that's
interesting because there up

until the the decade of the
brain in the 90s, that was the

dominant idea.

Even when I took personality
theory my senior year in

college, the professor showed us
both philosophically and

psychologically.

He had a double doctorate, one
in psychology and philosophy,

and he was a brilliant
professor.

You know what the final for this
course was?

He simply said So I'd given all
of you enough evidence to say

that a brain, a person can
change or they can't.

Give me an give me the final is
go home and take two months to

write about it, and every one of
you will be forced to take an

incomplete give it to me second
semester.

And when I sat down over
Christmas break, because I was a

kid student, and it was 50-50,
but some part of me said, I

can't live with the nihilism
that nobody can change, or other

my life is screwed.

I mean, I had this feeling in my
dorm room over Christmas because

I was staying and and working at
the library to get enough money

to back.

And I said, I can't live with
that.

And I'm glad I made that choice
because for a long period of

time, we thought by the time 18
people's identities are formed.

Now we know they're not.

They did not understand
neuroplasticity.

They did not understand the
five-hour window where when you

run through a neural network
enough energy that so you can

remember them the memory, that
surge of energy, that

electricity, loosens up the
protein structure so that the

memory is now labile enough that
you can work with it.

They didn't know that back then.

So thank God that some part of
my better self said, I'm not

going to live with this
nihilistic skinarian brunit, you

know, beyond freedom and
dignity, which is beyond, I

thought was beyond hope and
actually having a better life.

You know.

So we now know way more.

There's, you know, we know that
memories can be changed.

In fact, one of the prime people
in the whole wrote an article

and then 10 years later had to
write another one saying it

would appear that we were wrong.

That's absolutely the case.

Okay.

Uh, that's Damasio.

And he wrote something in the
early 90s that he took back 10

years later.

The good news is this is
science-based.

You can change your brain, can
have memories with different

feelings, so you're not carrying
the past like it's running then.

So that was what and changing
all those feelings, working with

the the the memories and all
this the protector parts for

both sides of the anxious and
avoidant thing, you get them all

to song down.

And then think about it is
you've got a you've got a whole

bunch of memories and neural
networks.

Everybody has tons of neural
networks that say, I like eating

this, you know, I like going
jogging, you know, this, you

know, all these things.

And they're like a cacophony,
uh, enough choir that's just

singing all sorts of different
things.

But if you work enough with
them, you get the prefrontal

cortex gets to be the conductor.

You get to be the one that
creates music out of whatever

you've been given.

And I'd like to think that all
those memories I had, you know,

just a few years ago, you know,
I've turned them into a be a

beautiful choir that I call the
safe to love again choir.

SPEAKER_02: I love that.

I I'm really curious.

You know, you mentioned
borderline personality,

narcissistic.

Are those people that their
brains can still change?

SPEAKER_03: Yes.

Now, I don't typically work with
that.

That gets more into clinical
work, and I try to stay away

from that.

There are there's some, you
know, dialectical behavior

therapy is found to be much more
effective, but borderline is

hard getting out of.

And with narcissistic, they're
coming up with some techniques.

But the last I checked, clinical
psychology has a success rate of

about 14% of narcissism.

There is both an inherited
biological and a learned.

Part of this one.

Okay.

So that gets into some other
things.

This is why I I tend to deal
with what I call normal middle

class craziness.

SPEAKER_01: I love that.

I love that.

SPEAKER_03: It's normal and
middle class craziness.

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02: Out of your story
and everything that we've been

talking about, is there a
miracle in this story?

SPEAKER_03: Is there a miracle
in this story?

Gosh, I'd think there's a bunch
of them.

I mean, you know, think about it
like this.

I can honestly say to you that
one my therapist in the back in

the late 80s when I started
doing this work told me that I

my mother was a borderline
borderline.

The miracle is that some part of
me was wise enough to reach out

to good people, and those good
people showed up in my life.

You know, I will always thank my
third grade teacher, who really

did quite a bit, Mrs.

Graham, to pull me out and a
lifelong friend, and the right

people showed up at the right
time.

You know, some of it is
diligence and just dogged

determination.

I often describe myself as the
terrier that gets on the ankle

and doesn't give it up.

Well, you know, but on the other
hand, I think the miracle is

that I mean, I've survived
million and one odds.

I to become this.

In fact, I can still remember,
you know, I was uh I've been a

really good father, and now I'm
a really good husband.

My I have a wife that knows she
is loved.

And strangely enough, I you
know, my best friend once said

to me, if somebody had from now
he goes back to third grade, so

he knows me.

Says, if someone had told me you
would become a brilliant PhD, I

would have said, Yep.

And but a brilliant father, I
would have said, Oh, come come

again.

I don't know.

You know how friends can just be
brilliant.

Yeah, friends can be honest, a
little honest, maybe a little

more than one what one one at a
year, you know.

But the fact of the matter is,
you know, I feel like my soul's

led me.

And there have been some you can
call it miraculous, you can call

it serendipitous, right?

You can see providential,
whatever, but the right

resources have shown up, and I
really believe that, you know,

when the student is ready, the
teacher appears.

I have become that now.

There was a time I needed that,
and now I have become that

myself for others.

So, yeah, you know, I think
there's a miracle.

I look back and I think, how did
that kid ever make those

decisions and find those people?

And there's and I do do believe
there was more going on to guide

me than just me.

And but I believe but that's the
see, I think, you know, I didn't

come from a family where there
was anything like a we.

In fact, you know, I you know,
the other thing that's true

about me is shoot, when my
mother died, sh I I I she was I

wasn't even on the obituary.

That's not and nobody in the
family environment.

Once I went to college, I
became, you know, for family

that didn't nobody went to
finish high school, I became

kind of high fluent from them.

And it wasn't me, it was them.

You know, and I used to think,
oh gosh, I got no no belonging

in life.

But you know what was also
important?

Once I discovered that I was
cherishable and protectable, I

had a right to separate.

That's it, just and belong.

It not only changed my
fundamental intimacy

relationships, you know, the
intimate partners, how I how I

lived with in within them, how I
chose.

But I began to realize I live on
a beautiful cosmic week that the

universe has my back.

Every time I've needed something
to show up, it has.

The universe has always been
with me, and so I I feel like

there's a ton of belonging.

I mean, I get it with a with a
biological family, but I get to

choose the people that I call
family, people like you, right?

You know, you know, and there is
truth to what Wayne Dyer said.

We had a he had a problem with
his father, you know, the way I

had with my mother, right?

And he he once said in a PBS
show, one of his in, you know,

there's long shows he used to do
on PBS, he says, he said that

friends are God's way of
apologizing for family.

So even if you come from a
family of wolves, and I think in

many respects that was the case,
you know, it didn't mean I

didn't have a right to belong.

In fact, I got the most
beautiful gift in the world.

I get to choose all these
beautiful, conscious people,

right?

Who are who give me far more
lift but underneath my wings.

And somewhere along the line, I
think there's been a whole

string of miracles like that,
you know, and I'm grateful every

day I wake up.

I mean, you know, you and I are
going to talk about podcasting

after this.

How how is it that you just
signed up, you know, signed up

and said I can talk to you about
that the week I'm thinking about

starting my own podcast?

You know, how does this
serendipity show up?

It shows up with a beautiful
smile.

SPEAKER_02: Gary, can you go
ahead and just describe to

people what is sitting behind
you on your wall?

unknown: Sure.

SPEAKER_03: Well, there's a load
of books.

You one might imagine I've read
a few things, you know.

There's an there's the book
called Safe to Love Again.

That's I put I blew it up about
four times, so you can get

there's the cover.

And when I work with couples,
there is a really beautiful

piece of artwork that I had a
ceramic artist make.

It's and it's a we-e we because
at the heart and soul of my

work, especially with couples,
is helping them feel safe and

know how to create a we.

Show me so when I work with
couples, the issue is somebody's

got a problem being in a we,
they don't know how to create a

we and singles, they don't know
how to choose someone that's

going to make a we with them, or
they can't choose it themselves.

Either way, relationships are
ultimately about a we.

So I put it in the back behind
me.

Now, I'll tell you, it's a
little bit on the sneaky side.

It is.

I had a husband show up one day,
and you can see it behind me

when you're if you're in a
session, and the guy says, Hey,

what's that piece of the artwork
back there?

It says, We.

I think you're getting
subliminal.

I think you're trying to
manipulate us.

I go, oh no, it's conscious
subliminal message.

I want that we to be back there
influencing you the whole time.

That's why I said, so there's I
said, Yeah, this is overt.

This is not covert.

SPEAKER_02: You know, at front
and center, Gary, at front and

center.

Uh, whenever I have you on the
live event, uh, you know, I

always tell you to mention your
book, and people will always

message me and say, I wrote read
his book, and it was so amazing

because it explains so much of
what they're experiencing or

what they were going through.

So, what is the name of the book
again and where can people get

it?

SPEAKER_03: Safe to love again.

How to uh how to uh release the
pain of past relationships and

create the love you deserve.

It's on Amazon.

That's awesome.

And you could also read my
newest essays on Substack.

SPEAKER_02: Gary is one of the
rare people I will refer every

single one of my family members
to.

My family is a family of
avoidant people.

Turn in secure.

Look at that.

It actually works.

It's so amazing.

But I absolutely love your work.

I'm I'm happy about the work
that you're doing out in the

world.

And for anybody who feels like
they are drawn to this work,

this is somebody I can actually
say I recommend.

It's not a stranger, it's
somebody I know very well.

I've known for many years.

And I just attest to your work.

And so many people that I've
I've sent to you, you know, even

my own clients that I work with
who are having breakthroughs.

I'm like, I don't think you
should do anything else without

talking to Gary.

Like, even if you're working
with us at the same time, go

talk to Gary.

Go push you to Gary.

And sometimes it takes people a
year, it takes people a couple

of years, and they're like, you
know, because sometimes you it's

it's wise to work with a male
and a female if you have issues

with with one or the other.

You know, it's it's something
that I've noticed that creates a

lot of balance, but it's also
just the work that you do is

just absolutely incredible.

So thank you for being you,
Gary.

SPEAKER_03: Thank you for saying
all that.

Yeah, I do think there's you
know, there's a balance in life

and working with both both
genders are is a wonderful

thing.

One of the saving graces of my
life was I had a woman a long

time ago was a woman therapist.

And after divorce, I was saying
all women, all women.

And I there was a mantra between
us, some women, some women.

You know, and I couldn't deny
she was not one of those women.

I mean, you know, it was this
pernicious truth.

Well, she doesn't fit the mold
that's coming out of this

divorce.

And, you know, I just love the
fact that uh you feel it's the

highest of honors when somebody
refers my work to others, their

clients or their family.

And so I take that as a high
honor indeed.

SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thank you.

Hmm.

Any last words, any last
messages for the people

listening to this who want more
of you, Gary?

SPEAKER_03: Well, you can you
know you can always reach out to

my website, but I want to leave
you with this.

So many times by the time we get
to a certain point in life, we

feel broken or hopeless.

And then if if it's not the
feeling of broken, it's the

feeling of unworthy because
you've been on enough apps and

there's been enough ghosting.

But I want, you know, and
there's an epidemic of people

feeling worthless, you know, not
enough.

And I want you to know that
you're not broken.

Some part of you is actually
working the way it's designed.

We just have to upgrade his
operating system, give it better

directions, better feelings, and
you are worthy to have the love

you want.

And it can be safe.

Yeah, you know, I'm in a
beautiful marriage that we every

day is like Christmas, waking up
with each other.

We laugh more than you can
imagine.

And, you know, this is doable
change.

Doable change.

And I no matter what the part is
that's afraid of having it

better, that comes up with all
sorts of reasons, you know.

Well, we don't know.

Did we ever live through better?

We don't know about that.

You know, you sure it's safe
over there?

Yes, it is safe.

And so this is doable change,
and you really can have the love

you deserve.

SPEAKER_00: Let's make miracles
happen.