Healthy Happy Wise Wealthy

🎙️ Welcome to Healthy Happy Wise Wealthy (HHWW)! In this heartfelt Thanksgiving 2025 episode, host Mary Meyerwelcomes you with a warm family gathering with Andre and Mariana. The episode takes listeners into the joys, challenges, and memories of holiday traditions, featuring reflections on gratitude, family bonding, and embracing the messy reality of the season. Special guest Trauma Coach Jolyn Armstrong offers an empathetic, insightful discussion about holiday expectations, honoring changing traditions, and giving ourselves permission to celebrate in ways that meet our true needs.

🦃 Topics Covered:
  • Favorite Thanksgiving memories and traditions
  • The “real” emotional landscape of holidays
  • Navigating grief and loss during the holidays
  • Evolving tradition to fit real life
  • Permission to let go of societal holiday pressures
  • Creative gratitude practices
  • Family dynamics, travel, and multicultural stories
  • Tips for honoring boundaries and honest connection
Key takeaways:
  • Holidays aren’t always picture-perfect—and that’s okay! It’s normal for the season to bring up complex emotions, fatigue, and pressure.
  • You have the agency to shape the holidays around your current life and capacity; traditions can (and should) evolve.
  • Meaningful connection can come from quiet moments, new traditions, honest boundaries, or simply being present.
  • Gratitude can be found in family, health, travel, memories, and even imaginary friends.
  • Setting gentle boundaries is an act of self-care and respect for loved ones.
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Welcome back to Healthy, Happy, Wise, Wealthy. I have with me today on this Thanksgiving

episode, my Andre. So I'm already traveling for

Thanksgiving. And Andre, what's one of your favorite

memories of Thanksgiving? So we were here, and basically

I. We had some M and M cake, and I threw it at my

Uncle Jason's face. That's my favorite memory.

If I would have seen that, I think that would also be my favorite Thanksgiving

memory, because I don't know that I remember seeing that, but I remember that.

I think it was three years ago here at my brother's house. And

there's a lot of. Lot, A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot,

a lot, a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. When we come here so. And get

together today, on today's episode,

we are actually going to have Jolyn Armstrong, and she is an episode

four and five, and she's going to give us a little talk

about sometimes the holidays aren't always the most

fun because we have memories that maybe make us sad. And there's all

kind of stuff does come up during holidays. So we want you to have a

time where you can enjoy the beautiful things in life, but

also just recognize that there is some things that are. That are hard.

And we're going to be grateful. Yeah. Very, very, very

grateful. Very grateful. I'm grateful for you. What are you grateful for? You

better say me. I'm just kidding. My life.

My life and my family. Your life and your family?

Yeah. I love that. I am also grateful for this.

Have family spread all over the country. So the chance to get together

and see people is a beautiful thing that I very much

enjoy. Yeah. So we hope you guys have

a wonderful, fun, happy,

happy Thanksgiving. Safe travel.

Plenty of turkey. Yep. Not too much turkey, though. Not too much. Not.

Not too much turkey. That's right. And enjoy all the.

All the good times that are to be had this Thanksgiving.

Bye.

Hi, everyone. I'm Jolyn, and I'm grateful to spend

a few minutes with you today. I want to extend my appreciation

to Mary also for extending the invitation. I appreciate

you, Mary. And since this is a Thanksgiving

message, I want to begin by acknowledging something important.

The holidays are big, Right. They come with a lot of energy

and a lot of expectations and a lot of

emotions and sometimes all at once. Right.

I think about the holiday season that we're told

should happen. Right. Every year around this time,

the world starts painting pictures for us.

Photos of families in matching pajamas and commercials

where everyone is laughing, cooking together

somehow. No. Is arguing about politics or doing the

Dishes. Right. Perfectly decorated homes,

perfectly warm relationships, perfectly prepared

food coming out of the oven at the exact right

moment. Right. We get movies and ads

and Instagram posts and greeting cards all

suggesting that the right holiday season looks like

joy and togetherness and abundance and energy and

cheer and emotional harmony. And it's a beautiful

picture, but it's not real

for most people. Right. And even when it is, when

it is beautiful, it's rarely

effortless. It's rarely how it appears. Right.

For many people, holiday season brings a mix of

emotions because life doesn't pause for November

and December. Right. We're often still carrying

fatigue and stress and health challenges and financial pressures

and relationship tension, complicated family

dynamics and loneliness. Right. Or simply

exhaustion from an entire year behind us.

Some of us are caring for aging parents, too. Yeah.

Some of us are juggling work deadlines, some are

trying to coordinate travel, house cleaning, meals,

children, events, school breaks, all of

those things. Some of us are dealing with blended

families or estranged relationships. Some are

navigating loss, change, or just feeling off

this year. So any. Any of that sound familiar to you? Does it fit?

All of this happens in the same season where we're

told to be merry, you know, make everything

special and show up with a smile.

Yeah. It's a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure on the

human heart. And if we're honest, it can create a

kind of inner tension. Right. But

truly, what if the holidays don't feel the way

they're supposed to feel? What if our energy doesn't match

the season? What if traditions don't

fit anymore? What if we're growing or changing in ways that

make old patterns really feel uncomfortable?

These are normal questions, and they deserve

real answers. Right. The truth is, most people go

into the holidays carrying something invisible.

And because we've all been conditioned to perform in

a certain version of the season, many of us never talk about it.

Right. We just carry it behind the scenes while

trying to keep up with traditions, expectations,

cultural pressure. Yeah.

I lost my father a couple of years ago after a

battle with dementia. But I'll always remember a

conversation that I had with him that was happened when

I was a very young adult. I was, I don't know, maybe 20, something like

that. And growing up in Colorado,

I had had enough of cold, enough of winter.

And one December, I told my dad, you know, the.

The only good thing about winter is

Christmas. And then forget it. I hate the rest of it. And my dad's

reply, it was so. It hits different now than it did

then. Then it was. I Kind of laughed at it, but

now it makes sense. His response was,

you know, don't worry. With time, you'll hate Christmas too.

He said that as a father of six and the

grandfather of probably a lot more, I think 10,

maybe grandchildren, right? And the pressure on him was enormous.

And what I took as a joke back then, I see now, with a little

bit of maturity of my own behind me,

that he was feeling it. He was feeling that pressure.

So if you're feeling any of this, you know, overwhelmed,

tired, pressured, conflicted, sad,

hopeful, grateful or lonely or simply different than

you used to, you're not alone. You're not doing it

wrong. You're simply human. In a season that

asks a lot of us. So here's the good news.

You have more agency in this season than you might realize, right?

You get to shape the holidays around your current life,

your current energy and capacity without

dishonoring anyone and without abandoning what's actually

meaningful to you. So let's look at

what that can actually mean, what that might actually look like,

okay? My hope for you is that this can be the

year that the holidays get to be what you need them to

be, regardless of societal expectations, right?

What this means is it means letting your holidays evolve with

your life. That's all. Many of our traditions were created

long before we ever had a say in them,

right? Maybe long before our parents ever had to say in them either, if

we think about that, right? Some traditions still feel nourishing

and some feel heavy, right? And some feel

irrelevant now. Some simply need small

adjustments to fit the life that we're living today. So

you're allowed to adapt. You're allowed to say, this year I

need something a little different. You're allowed to modify the rhythm

without apologizing for being human, right?

This season, where many of us try to push ourselves into roles and

emotions, and we're actually not feeling.

What if the approach to the holidays. What if we approach the holidays with

a little more gentleness and less performance,

right? So let's make some room for what you're

carrying, whether, you know, whatever it is that you're

navigating this year. Let's. Let's make some room for

that. If you're. If you're experiencing a recent

loss in your life, a major life change, complicated

relationships, all those things you have, you. You don't have

to power through in silence anymore.

Nothing you're feeling disqualifies you from having a meaningful

holiday, right? Just means you might need a little

different kind of holiday this year, right? Maybe It's a year

of quiet connection instead of huge gatherings. Maybe

it's a year of curiosity and trying one

new tradition. Maybe it's a year of leaning into

community if you need more

connection around you. Right? With the people that actually support you and

love you. Maybe it's a year of stepping back and

breathing a little bit more. Maybe this is a year of making

space for mixed emotions. There's no wrong way to be

human during the holidays, right?

So let's talk about honoring traditions without losing

yourself. How do we do that? Right? You can show up

for the people that you care about while honoring your own limits.

The helpful. A helpful mindset is I can still

participate just in a way that respects my energy.

Right? So this might look like

attending gatherings, but leaving early,

bringing a friend or a supportive person instead of showing up on your own.

Taking breaks during gatherings as as long as

those breaks need to be, right? Stepping outside for a

moment or engaging in the parts that feel nourishing

while quietly skipping the parts that don't. Right?

I'll come for dinner. I'm not doing the white elephant

after something like that. Or maybe I'm skipping dinner and just coming for

the gift exchange something, Right?

It may be time for you to opt for simple instead of elaborate.

Or honesty instead of pretending.

Yeah. This isn't disrespect again. This is

thoughtful boundary setting. It's honoring both your loved ones

and yourself. Right?

Connection doesn't have to look like a full table or an

all day celebration. Sometimes holiday

connection is just a slow walk with someone that you

trust. A good conversation, even if that

conversation is on the phone or on a video call, something like that.

A text exchange that makes you smile, Right?

Maybe it's volunteering or helping someone else

to the extent that you feel comfortable doing that. Being

with people without performing is the thing, Right?

It's creating one meaningful moment instead of a dozen

big but pressure filled moments.

Small, genuine moments count here.

Yeah. So let's talk about holiday spirit

while we're in this subject. Holiday spirit isn't about matching

the energy of the commercials or the movies.

It's about something much simpler. Right? Let's. Let's

really adopt a simpler version of holiday spirit

here, right? It's about being present.

It's about being gentle with yourself.

Being open to moments of meaning. Right? Being honest

about where you are this year, what happened this year, what you've

been going through. You get to decide what presence looks

like, you get to decide what connection looks like.

And you get to decide what celebration Looks like this year

and every year going forward, you get to shape

the season in a way that reflects your actual life,

not some idealized version of it or someone

else's version of what a life should look like in this season.

As we enter this holiday season, here's my wish for

you. May you feel free to let

this season be what you need it to be. May you

feel grounded, steady, and supported.

May you honor what has changed without forcing what no

longer fits. May you discover new

meaning in small, unexpected moments.

May you nourish your connections in ways that feel honest and possible.

And may this be a season that means

exactly what you need it to mean and meets you

exactly where you are. This is me wishing

you a warm, gentle, and deeply

human holiday season. What

are you grateful for that you enjoy in life? Sports. I like to play

sports. That's a good thing to be grateful for. And traveling

well, to travel. What is your favorite place you've traveled to?

Moldova. Moldova. Yeah. So his.

His Mama is from Moldova. We adopted a bunch

of kids 17 years ago.

18. 18 years. Thank you. 18 years ago.

You weren't around then. Yeah. No, you weren't. So

that was seven years before I was. Wow. Only

seven years before I was born. Yeah. And Your Mama was 14 when

she got here, so. Yeah. So are you gonna teach me how to play

sixes? We're gonna let your mom teach

me. Yeah, she won't get on

the camera. Yeah, she's over there talking in

Romanian. Yeah, she won't get on the camera for some reason. Okay, what

questions you guys have? So this is Mariana

and Andre. Yep. Oh, my gosh. I know that guy. You do

not. I don't know that guy. Oh, I know her too.

I said I don't know you. Oh, I don't know her.

Hey, everybody. We are at Thanksgiving, so. And enjoying our

Thanksgiving break. It's just starting here at my brother's house.

And, Mariana, what is something

you're grateful for this Thanksgiving for? A memory.

Okay, A memory. What I'm thankful for

or what you're thankful for? Definitely thankful for my life. That's for

sure. I'm definitely thankful for my son.

He's changed my life in so many good ways.

He's such a cutie By the way, this is my son, so I do know

him. He just came in my brain.

I'm thankful for my friends, for my life.

I don't have any friends, but I'm thankful for the ones that I have.

My imaginary friends. I'm thankful for my

imaginary friends too. And the real ones. Both of them. I'm actually thankful for

both. It's just family. I'm thankful for my friends too. And our family is so

spread out around the country. So I'm thankful when we can see each other. So

that's also really, really cool. Tennessee over here.

Yeah, same. You live in Tennessee too? Oh my

goodness. I didn't know that. Who knew?

I thought I lived in North Carolina, actually. I actually lived in

Australia. That's a pretty good accent, actually.

That's funny. Do you remember when you got here? What? We ate a lot from

Moldova. You gotta keep your face in here.

Fruits and vegetables. We had so many carrots.

You remember those big bags? Yeah. I would buy. I would buy.

Go ahead. I was going to say people would ask you if you had horses.

They would, all the time. I go to a local grocery

store and there was a lot of horse farms around. And

then so I buy this 10 pound bag of carrots and 10 pound bag of

apples and they'd ask me if I had horses. And I'm like, no, I have

Moldovan children. That was

a good memory. You know, that's some fun stuff. Big old bowl of

fruit. That would be gone like instantly.

Yeah. So when they first got here, they love fruit. So we'd fill this

massive bowl up with fruit and just let them eat. So

they knew that there was always going to be food available when they were hungry.

So I think you guys, I had to cut it off after a while cuz

it was averaging 50 pieces of fruit a day.

Yep. Well, right now the food's so expensive. I don't know if you could afford

that big old bowl. But back then. Oh, I couldn't afford the bowl then either.

Like that was. Sorry, that was a lot. That's why. But that was a

day. What? And then we kind of cut it down to. Yeah,

a few more and I'm like, okay, just one apple, one orange, one banana

a day. We won't eat four of each. But

yeah, it was, it was good. I mean, you know, that's healthy. It's not.

It's not like candy. It's not like a bowl of candy. It's a bowl of

fruit. Nature's candy. Healthier

And now I get to do eat whatever I want. And it's still not candy,

guys. Still not candy. No candy. Yeah.

Yeah. Even though he doesn't like any food. Still like that. He likes

what food? Watermelon. Honeycomb. What's it called? Like

honey. Honeydew. No. Bananas. No. Grapes. No.

Strawberries. I like grapes. I don't like strawberries. Okay. It's

for the camera, you say? Yes. Real. Okay, well, I. I like grapes.

Okay. I'm going to have to buy him some grapes. We'll

try it out tonight. You keep kicking my camera.

Keep your feet to yourself, young man. That goes for all of you out

there, too. Keep your hands and your feet to. Yourself,

cuz, for everyone. That's right. Keep your hands and your feet to yourself. And

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Bye.

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