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Your mother has sent money to a man she's never met. You ask to see her phone, and she puts it away. What do you do? And if she hands it over, are you ready for what else you might find? Here's how to protect an aging parent from scams without taking over their life.

This week, Dr. Mark covers how deepfake and voice-cloning scams work, how to check a parent's phone without invading their privacy, and how to spot subscription creep. He also weighs monitoring apps against taking the phone away, and ends with a practical safety plan you can start this week.

In 2025, people aged 60 and older reported more than $7.7 billion in losses to the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Centre.

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In this episode, you'll learn:
✅ How to verify a "family emergency" call before sending money
✅ The red flags behind almost every scam: money, account access, secrecy, urgency
✅ What to say instead of "How could you fall for this?"
✅ What monitoring apps can and can't do for an adult
✅ What to do if a scam gets through

Where to Report Fraud:
🇨🇦  Canada
▶️ Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre: https://reportcyberandfraud.canada.ca/
📞 1-888-495-8501
▶️ Also report to your local police (non-emergency line)

🇺🇸  United States
▶️ Federal Trade Commission: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov
📞 1-877-382-4357
▶️ FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3): https://www.ic3.gov
▶️ National Elder Fraud Hotline: https://www.justice.gov/stopelderfraud
📞 1-833-FRAUD-11 (1-833-372-8311)

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Imagine discovering your mother

has sent money to a man she's

never met.

You ask to see her phone and she

puts it away.

He messages every morning, and

since your father died,

she says it's really been nice

having someone to talk to.

You tell her he's a scammer.

She tells you you don't

understand.

You're thinking about her savings,

her care, everything that could

happen next.

You want to take the phone out of

her hand.

And she says, it's my phone, it's

my money, you don't get to control

my life.

So what do you do?

And if she hands it over, are you

ready for what else you might

find?

Welcome back to the Caregivers

Podcast.

I'm your host, Dr.

Mark Ropaleski.

We're back for another week.

Today, we're looking at scams that

can imitate people your family

trusts.

Private lives we uncover when we

intervene,

and whether taking away a phone

can create another kind of danger.

We'll finish with a plan you can

start together.

If money is moving in a suspected

scam right now,

please contact your bank or the

payment provider immediately using

a number you know is genuine.

That longer family conversation

can wait and happen afterwards.

So let's talk about the scale of

the problem.

This is a multi-billion dollar

problem.

In its 2025 report, the FBI's

Internet Crime Complaint Center

recorded more than 7.7 billion

U.S.

dollars in losses reported by

people age 60 and older,

alongside more than 200,000

complaints.

Those are reports to one agency.

They do not tell us what

percentage of all older adults are

scammed and unreported incidents

are missing.

In Canada, the Anti-Fraud Center

recorded more than 700 million

Canadian dollars in reported fraud

losses in 2025 across all ages.

An older U.S.

research review published in 2017

estimated that roughly 1 in 18

older adults without cognitive

impairment who lived in the

community experienced financial

fraud or scams over a year.

Now, that is all historical

context, not a current rate for

today's AI scams.

For a family, the consequence

might be losing money intended for

home care.

It might mean an adult child

covering bills they can't afford

or an earlier move because living

at home is no longer financially

possible.

But age alone does not make

someone incapable.

Federal Trade Commission's

reporting data show older adults

were less likely than younger

adults to report a financial loss

when reporting fraud,

although their losses were often

larger.

Now, what do you do when a

familiar face or voice is

fabricated?

The tools used to deceive people

today have changed.

A scam can arrive through

Facebook, Instagram, a YouTube ad,

a search result, a dating app,

email, text, even an ordinary

phone call.

A conversation may then move to

WhatsApp.

Using any of those services is not

itself evidence of fraud, though.

What's happening today is that AI

now lets criminals generate

convincing messages, images,

voices, and video.

A deepfake is fabricated or

manipulated media that makes

someone appear to say or do

something they didn't.

Your aging parent might see a

politician they've trusted for

years appearing to endorse an

investment,

or a familiar celebrity apparently

promoting a health product.

Canada's Competition Bureau has

warned about AI impersonations of

politicians and other public

figures.

Think about why the encounter

works.

The person watching brings years

of familiarity with that face.

The scammer borrows that trust for

something the real person never

endorsed.

This can exploit any political

loyalty.

That same technology can even

bring the threat inside your

family.

The FTC warns that a short audio

clip, perhaps posted online, can

be used to clone a loved one's

voice.

Imagine hearing what sounds like

your granddaughter crying, saying

she needs money, and cannot tell

her parents about it.

Knowing her voice no longer

settles whether it's her.

AI can fabricate someone's

likeness too, and the FBI warns

about fake video used to make an

online contact seem real.

That doesn't mean every family

emergency call uses AI.

It means a familiar voice,

photograph, or video cannot be

your only check.

So how should someone proceed?

End the incoming call and contact

the person reaching out through a

number you already know.

If they do not answer, try a

trusted relative.

Agree on a private family

verification phrase as an extra

safeguard.

And always check independently

before sending money.

Other scams need no sophisticated

technology.

A friendly stranger builds a

relationship and then asks for

emergency money or offers

investment advice.

A pop-up says the computer is

infected and directs your parent

to a fake support line.

A supposed bank employee tells

them to move their savings to a

safe account.

Stop.

Stop and call the bank using the

number on the bank card.

Do not grant an unexpected caller

any remote access or share a

security code.

Check health claims with a

pharmacist or clinician before

buying or changing treatments you

already take.

You don't have to settle an

argument about whether a video

looks artificial.

Ask what the person wants.

Money, account access, secrecy, or

an urgent rush decision before

anyone can check.

That's what you need to look out

for.

But spotting the danger is only

the beginning.

What happens when you, the

caregiver, ask to look at that

phone?

What can you discover when privacy

disappears?

You might ask to see one

suspicious message and find

yourself holding access to

someone's whole private life.

Their messages with friends, their

health searches, their browsing

history,

a relationship they haven't told

you about, perhaps adult material

or intimate exchanges.

That can be deeply uncomfortable

for an adult child.

And you may suddenly know

something about your father or

mother you never wanted to know.

You might feel embarrassed, angry,

or even unsure how to act around

them afterwards.

Your parent, on the other hand,

may feel exposed in a way they

can't easily undo.

They may wonder whether you'll

tell your siblings, judge their

future actions,

or even bring this up the next

time there's an argument about

their independence.

An older adult sexuality does not

disappear because they need care.

Consensual adult intimacy or a

private relationship is not by

itself proof of exploitation or

impaired judgment.

You know, instead, focus on harm

reduction.

Look for coercion, unauthorized

charges, threats, or something

pressuring them for money or a

decision.

If intimate images are involved,

take threats seriously.

People can be blackmailed with

real images or fabricated ones,

save those threatening messages,

and seek help.

Don't make humiliation part of the

response at this point.

Even without fraud, seeing this

information can rewrite the

relationship.

The parent who once protected your

privacy may now be asking you to

respect theirs.

You may find yourself becoming an

investigator when you wanted to

just remain their child.

So getting back to our story,

maybe before opening the phone,

just agree on the task at hand.

Ask, can you show me the message

asking for money?

You can hold the phone.

We don't need to open your other

conversations.

For a spending concern, you could

say, let's look at the charges

together.

You don't have to show me your

browsing history.

And if you accidentally see

something unrelated, just stop

there.

That's private.

We don't need to go through that.

Don't circulate it around the

family.

If help is needed, share only

what's really necessary with the

appropriate person.

Now, you may need somewhere to

process your own reaction to all

of this without exposing your

parents' private or intimate

details.

A counselor can help you work

through the discomfort if it's

really necessary.

So back to our story again.

Consider what your mother, in that

opening example, is losing.

You see a criminal.

She may see a person who actually

asks about her day.

If admitting the scam also means

admitting loneliness and

surrendering privacy, she has a

lot to defend.

You could say, thank you for

telling me.

Let's work out what we need to do.

That's a much better starting

point than how could you fall for

this.

Now, there are some other

circumstances where things can get

drained.

And that's recurring charges.

There's another problem that may

never look like a dramatic scam.

Because it really isn't.

We call it subscription creep.

And it's something all caregivers

should be aware of.

Many subscriptions are ordinary

purchases from legitimate

businesses.

But they can still become

unwanted, unused, duplicated, or

just too expensive for the

person's budget.

A trial becomes a monthly charge.

A streaming service goes

unwatched.

Supplements keep arriving.

And that introductory price ends.

Someone could actually accumulate

a dozen subscriptions without any

single purchase feeling serious.

Say, there are 12 charges

averaging $15 a month.

That adds up to $180 a month, or

close to $2,200 per year.

So with their permission, review

several months of bank and card

statements,

app store subscriptions, and other

payment services.

Look back over a year for annual

renewals.

Normalize that process.

And tell your parent that you'd do

it for your own accounts.

For each recurring payment, ask,

What is it?

Are you using it these days?

What does it cost now?

And do you want to keep it?

Let your parent decide which

pleasantries matter to them.

Your job is not to cancel

everything just because you

wouldn't buy it.

Cancel unwanted services through

the actual provider or

subscription account.

Keep confirmation and check later

statements.

Because deleting an app does not

cancel its subscription.

And if a charge is unauthorized or

continues after cancellation,

contact the payment provider

immediately about disputing it.

You can often investigate a charge

without investigating someone's

private life.

That boundary matters when you

start considering monitoring their

device.

Now what about protective

software?

Is that a do or a no-go?

Well, parental controls can sound

like an easier answer.

But blocking a website,

restricting purchases, and reading

every private message gives you

very different powers.

Start with the specific risk.

For tendencies towards accidental

purchases, explore purchase

approvals or transaction alerts.

If you're suspecting a fraudulent

contact, preserve the evidence,

then block and report the account.

A time limit on an app does not

establish whether someone using it

is trustworthy.

Features vary by device and

service.

Some products that are built for

children's accounts may not

support an adult arrangement.

So check what a tool actually does

before paying for it.

Test the consequences.

Blocking unknown callers might

also silence a hospital.

Restrictions could interrupt

transport and grocery orders.

Agree on what it can see, who

receives alerts, who holds the

passcode, and when you will review

that arrangement.

Check what information the

software company collects, too.

An agreement with your loved one

might be,

We'll restrict purchases together.

I won't read your messages.

We'll review this in two weeks.

Consent to help with settings is

not blanket permission to search

everything.

Secret monitoring can expose

sensitive information and damage

trust.

And remember, being a relative

does not automatically make

someone safe to hold that access.

An agreement given under a threat

to withdraw essential care

is not a sound basis for voluntary

consent.

In the end, you need to be

realistic about your workload.

Who checks alerts while you're

working or while you're asleep.

An app can quietly make you feel

responsible every minute for every

future loss.

So agree on what you can

reasonably do and find a backup

contact your parent accepts.

And if those measures fail, is

taking away the phone the answer?

We need to ask ourselves, what's

the cost of taking the phone away?

The cost of taking the phone away

needs to be an option we discuss

honestly.

In some circumstances, a temporary

pause or a simpler device may be

part of an agreed-upon safety

plan.

But removing a phone altogether is

a major intervention.

For someone living alone, it may

hold their friendships, video

calls with grandchildren,

music, games, private

conversations, and the small

decisions that make a day feel

like their own.

It may also be how they call for

help.

If they fall or feel unwell or are

stranded, what happens when the

phone you removed was the only one

they would have had close at hand?

Before any restriction, work out

how they can reliably contact

family and emergency services.

Test ordinary calling and contact

shortcuts.

Do not place a test emergency call

without instructions from your

local service.

Consider small changes first.

Removing a payment method with

agreement.

Disabling a risky feature.

Or choosing a simpler phone

altogether.

A basic phone can still receive

scam calls, mind you, and it may

not replace the services they

relied on.

So ask what will fill the evenings

if you remove their main source of

company or entertainment.

We'll find something.

Is not much of a plan for the

person left sitting alone.

Sometimes you're weighing serious

risks on both sides.

There may be no setting that makes

everything safe.

The decision in the end should

preserve as much independence and

enjoyment as possible with a clear

reason, proper authority or

agreement, and a date to

reconsider it.

Now that's all great, but what if

your parent actually refuses help

altogether with this problem?

What if your parent just says no?

A refusal or a decision you

dislike does not by itself

establish incapacity.

And being their caregiver does not

automatically give you authority

to confiscate their property,

control their accounts, or install

monitoring.

If they can make this decision,

offer something smaller.

Perhaps they'll call the bank with

you, accept help from a friend, or

agree to verify unexpected

requests before sending money.

Be clear about your own limits

too.

You can offer support without

promising to replace money lost or

putting your household's finances

at risk.

If there are new changes in

memory, understanding, or

judgment, seek a clinical

assessment sooner than later.

Capacity relates to the particular

decision.

A diagnosis alone does not settle

every question.

And if decision-making ability is

impaired, seek advice about the

legal authority and safeguards

where you live.

A power of attorney has limits and

does not automatically authorize

every kind of surveillance.

If you do report suspected

exploitation to the bank or

appropriate local safeguarding

service, you can raise a concern

even when the bank cannot actually

disclose account details to you.

So how about a practical plan for

this week?

You don't have to solve all of

this in one conversation.

Start with one manageable

appointment to review safety

together.

As a family team, first agree on a

pause for unexpected requests

involving money or account access,

especially if there's urgency.

Establish and verify through a

separate trusted contact route.

Choose a backup person so you're

not the only possible source of

help.

Second, agree on privacy before

you touch their phone.

Decide what you're checking and

what stays private.

If your parent would rather work

with someone else they trust,

consider that option.

Third, review recurring charges

and make targeted security changes

together.

Update the device, use unique

passwords and multi-factor

authentication, and ask the bank

about suitable alerts or payment

limits.

Use the bank's formal arrangements

for authorized assistance rather

than casually sharing banking

passwords.

Fourth, protect the things the

phone makes possible.

Check how your parent will reach

help.

Keep in touch and enjoy their day

after any changes.

And finally, agree on what happens

if a scam gets through.

Contact the bank or payment

provider immediately and ask

whether the payment could be

stopped or recalled.

Recovery isn't guaranteed though.

Save messages and receipts before

deleting or blocking anything.

If someone obtained remote access,

stop using that device for banking

and get trusted technical help

immediately.

Change exposed passwords from a

secure device.

And if in immediate physical

danger, contact emergency

services.

In Canada, report to local police

and the Canadian Anti-Fraud

Centre's reporting service.

In the U.S., report to the FTC and

for internet crime, the FBI's

Internet Crime Complaint Centre.

Official links are in the episode

notes.

What stays with me is that a phone

can bring danger into someone's

life while also keeping them

connected to it.

The caregiver might be frightened

of what happens if they don't

intervene.

The person receiving care may be

frightened of how much of their

life disappears if they do.

I would start with an agreement

that makes asking for help less

frightening.

If something goes wrong, tell me.

We'll deal with it together

without humiliating you.

That won't prevent every scam.

It may mean the next worrying

message comes to you sooner, while

there's still time to act.

Have you faced this with someone

you care for?

What helped you protect them while

respecting their privacy?

Share the experience without

posting anyone's private messages

or account details.

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