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This podcast was born from a belief that meaningful growth doesn’t happen overnight. The things that really matter—in life, business, art, relationships—often take time, patience, and unseen investment. And yet, we live in a culture that constantly pulls us toward immediacy: fast food, AI, and overnight success stories.
But the reality is:
Anything truly worth building usually takes time. Success doesn't arrive in an instant.
We take the time to ask our amazing guests, what are the things that are worth putting in the time and investing in, even if we don’t see results for a long time?
11. Pod Takeaways
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Speaker: [00:00:00] Hey everybody. Welcome to the Bamboo Method Podcast, investing in the unseen. This is where we talk about the things that are worth investing in, even if you can't see the return right away. I'm Sam, one of your hosts.
Speaker 2: I'm Wade, the usually the producer,
Speaker: producer.
Speaker 2: I get to be on camera a little more this time.
Speaker: This is a, uh, special episode. We don't do this all the time. Oftentimes, we like to have guests who can speak well to the topic, and today you get to hear from me. And Wade,
Speaker 2: the most important things in life usually take time.
Speaker: Indeed, if you have watched any of the previous episodes, you might notice that it looks a little different.
Speaker 2: Chances are you haven't,
Speaker: but just in
Speaker 2: case you did,
Speaker: if you're one of our moms, my mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And you're like, what's going on here? Then we're in the same place. They just painted it black and we actually like it, so we're gonna run with it.
Speaker 2: Heck [00:01:00] yeah. We're 10 episodes in. This is episode number 11. Do you ever think you're gonna be a podcast host?
Speaker: I mean, I tried once before and I think we. I think we got one episode out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's how a lot of 'em go.
Speaker: It is. I was a part of that statistic that says like, 90% of podcasts only get one episode out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, we had a couple recorded that we didn't get out. Uh, just in that season of life just didn't work out.
But no, I don't know that I ever really, even with that, I, I didn't have a huge desire for it or expectation that this would be something I'd pursue seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's fun though. I, I was part of a couple podcasts that went over a hundred episodes, which is fun.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um,
Speaker: you did a lot of podcast. Yeah. Uh, like episode editing.
Speaker 2: Right. Editing, yeah. Yeah. And then I made probably half a dozen on my own. So it's cool to be part of another one that feels a little more like our creation. My creation,
Speaker: yeah.
Speaker 2: Us together. Like thinking about the whole [00:02:00] idea of it and then carrying it through.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Editing, setting up the lights, you know, everything.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's also fun to do video podcasts.
Speaker: That's a fun aspect. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's, it's, uh, it feels a lot closer to, you're not as far away. Yeah. When it's just audio, you feel like it's a little, little, could be a little disconnected, but you could
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Kind of see the people a little bit more. Especially being able to have guests on it's cold to be able to,
Speaker 2: it tend to be a little more raw.
Too little more
Speaker: raw.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna edit every single microsecond, like in audio, which is funny 'cause it seems. I thought there was gonna be more of producing, doing a video. And there is more to produce, but you actually do less of the actual editing From my experience.
Speaker: Well, there's less that you can do.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah.
Speaker: Uh, with, if you're just doing a radio edit, you can pretty much make 'em say whatever you want to, if you want to get it and manipulate it.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker: Um. For those of you out there didn't know that there's a lot of power in editing. Um, yeah. Um, not that we take those liberties, but when you're [00:03:00] doing video, you don't have those freedoms as much.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker: Um, so, uh, that does add a dynamic and makes it a lot of fun. If you are listening to this and you haven't watched it, uh, maybe, uh, this is a good opportunity to go check out the video versions as well. You get to see all the great guests and. I think you just get, kind of get to know 'em a little bit more and you can watch them.
Speaker 2: So you're great guests. You are ugly mugs.
Speaker: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so this is episode 11. What have you learned? What's your takeaway so far?
Speaker: Uh, there's been a lot of 'em. Really cool. Uh, things to learn from our guests is just the conversations that we've had. I think one of the things that I keep thinking about and coming back to is the, the reality that.
So much of the things that we invest in and the improvements that we see often can go unnoticed. Even in conversations we've had with some of our guests, their responses and answers to the questions of the things that they're investing in, it's gonna take time, lead to a thing [00:04:00] that they didn't even think was a thing.
Speaker 2: Okay. Say more
Speaker: so. Um, it's become such a natural thing for them to invest in certain things in their life that is valuable. It's might be tied to a core belief or just something that they think is really important and is so natural. So a part of who they are, that it's fairly unnoticed, but it is impactful and powerful and great examples, Lynn?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, we asked her and she had some great answers and some great thoughts on, um, the things that it's worth, you know, investing in for the long haul. One of the things that wasn't a specific answer was that she writes notes a lot,
Speaker 2: right? Yeah. She kinda said it in an offhand way. Mm-hmm. Like, yeah, write a lot of notes and we're like, hold on.
You write a lot of notes. Like people don't do that very much anymore. Thank you. Notes. Hi. I'm thinking about you like handwritten, like you might text your friend but actually receive a piece of mail. That's just because they wanted to say hi. That like does not happen anymore.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Very often. At least.
Not my experience. [00:05:00]
Speaker: Yeah. And it's easy to just kind of overlook, it seems maybe somewhat insignificant.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And I think it once was significant to her, but like you said, it was just kind of simple statement. Yeah. And it was really impactful to me. I'm like, that's really cool. That's a big deal. Mm-hmm.
And those are the kind of things that. Hoping to unearth a little bit with this podcast and have discussions about is what are those things that might seem insignificant, might go unnoticed either to yourself. Mm-hmm. Sometimes it can or to the people around you. And, um, I've just been amazed at how often that is a thing, that the growth that we want to see, the improvements.
Um, it's easy to just for it to go unnoticed at times. And I think that's true in life, that there are things that. When it gets better, when it gets more valuable, you expect that it's gonna be like, everyone's gonna notice and it's gonna be a big deal. Sometimes it goes in the other direction. Yeah. And uh, you even see that in [00:06:00] production.
You know, things like audio, really good audio, if it's done right, you don't, you don't actually notice it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker: You only notice the bad audio. Mm-hmm. You know, you notice if it's like, got static in it or it's distant, or it's hard to hear it done really well. Like no one. Goes to a movie, leaves and goes, ah, that audio like is super crisp.
I could hear everything they say, like,
Speaker 2: right. You take it for granted.
Speaker: Take it for granted. Yeah. It's unnoticed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: When done right. I mean, they might talk about the music, the score, those types of things, but they're not talking about how well the audio was captured.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: But you know, some of those.
Movies required some, like high level technology or skills or know-how equipment, whatever it would be.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And, um, that can just be so true in life that it, you'd think the better it gets, the more people are gonna notice it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, it might
Speaker: be true.
Speaker 2: As someone gets better at a skill, it actually becomes less noticeable because they can do it effortless, effortlessly.
It seems effortless. [00:07:00]
Speaker: The effort.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Yes. The effortlessness. Yeah. Uh, it can make it seem like also, yeah.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Um, you know, we had a conversation the other day, uh, with someone who was talking about filming and just the composition and it just seems so natural. It's like, oh, it's probably easy to capture.
Like I think I can get that. And, um, you know, when it becomes more natural and effortless or when it becomes more natural. To consume or to do, it can feel like, oh, I could do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I, I saw a reel the other day that was like designing the McDonald's logo in 30 seconds. It's like, okay, well yeah, you can like create the logo in 30 seconds.
It's just a couple arches, yellow, red.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like the actual intentionality that went into designing it, you know, designing and executing two different things.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so it seems effortless when it's done. It's so simple. It's just two arches. But to [00:08:00] get to that point was anything but simple.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't, I mean, I'm not sure how I could quantify.
I have no idea how many hours it took to get there, but I'm sure it was countless, and I'm sure it was a whole career of graphic design that led up to that point of being able to design a logo. That simple.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, many logos could fit in that Apple logo. Nike logo.
Speaker 2: Nike logo.
Speaker: Yeah. You don't have to get that, you know?
In depth as a designer to be able to execute, replicate it. Right. You know, I think a lot of people could learn how to use Photoshop Illustrator. Mm-hmm. Well enough to recreate the Apple logo, Nike, pretty quickly, probably. But to get to the point of making those decisions,
Speaker 2: to, to create it from scratch,
Speaker: to create it from scratch, to come up with the idea.
Um, and again. It's easy to think as a designer, and this will play out in, it does play out in some ways. Some things that people design and create are technically really challenging [00:09:00] and complex. But it's funny how often when you go towards like better and better and better and better, then you actually start to come back towards simple, simple, simple, simple.
Yeah. Natural. And it's those really simple natural things that maybe a five-year-old could do.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Obviously never would come up with the idea. Sure. But it's those simple things. Mm-hmm. Um, and even bring it full circle back to the thing with Lynn. Yeah. Writing notes doesn't take high level of skill.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Um, it's just simple. But it, I mean the power of it impact,
Speaker 2: yeah. Impact. It's the impact,
Speaker: intentionality.
Speaker 2: Impact,
Speaker: yeah. Mm-hmm. Intentionality of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And, um, being able to go that far, come all the way back full circle. Um, too simple, I think is. A common note of like, oh, you've, there's a lot of growth here.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And people can make seem things seem effortless and natural, easy to consume. I mean, even in [00:10:00] com communication is the same kind of thing. Um, the best communicator communicators can take a really complex idea and they're not gonna still use all these big words that you have to understand it and its complexity, but they can make it seem really simple.
So simple that it's like, I should have thought of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And when you think that, you know that they did it right?
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: But it is like, there's no way I ever could have actually gotten it. 'cause you went into the complexity and came back and brought it, made it simple.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's like the, uh, usually it's a negative connotation, but like boiling a frog in hot water.
Yeah. It's like they don't notice the one degree. Yeah. One degree. One degree until it's boiling and you know, the frog gets boiled. Obviously that's usually a negative con uh, connotation. But. The point still stands that like, you don't notice the one degree every day, but from the start to the end is a huge difference.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Communication is another one of those too.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that can feel, [00:11:00] you know, as, as a creative, as an artist, as a business owner, there's a tension in that, like that realization. I think sometimes as you grow, you like selfishly. The VA part of me, I'm like, I kind of want, like, I want people to notice like I'm getting better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And sometimes that can feel like, ah, man, like, and I think the, you know, the right people notice and with certain things it is noticeable. Like, you know, that's a nuanced concept on whether people notice it or whether they even should or need to, but. Um, sometimes again, the better you get. Like it's almost less noticeable how good it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And that can feel like an odd thing. It's like, wait, I would want it to be like, you know, more complex and more flare and, you know, we have a huge background in, in drumming if you guys didn't know or drummers. Yep. And like the telltale sign. Of a immature drummer or musician mm-hmm. Is when they're just flaring up.
It's like just doing too
Speaker 2: much.
Speaker: Doing too much. I'm [00:12:00] just like all the chops and like speed and fats. Like I feel like I gotta show everything and do all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And it's like, you know, really good musician knows their pocket to sit in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And they just execute that really well. And again, from a complexity or a skill level, oftentimes like some of the best music, not that hard.
Cold play. I think a lot of people could go look up the chords, play 'em on the piano.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Right. Yeah. But incredible songwriting.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: You know, and that's what got them there, is like, it's the execution and, but, but again, it's, it comes back to the idea of like, that can feel sometimes unsatisfying.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker: Because it's like, I can do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can play those chords.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But to get to the point. You're saying go and come back to get to the musical skill level, to be able to do, you know, a hundred different things, arbitrary number, but to come back to the one [00:13:00] thing
Speaker 3: mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, shows your skill level.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, and experience by what you don't do. Mm-hmm. You know what you hold back on.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And then when the situation calls for that a hundred
Speaker: mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: You have the ability to do it. But only what it, it's called for.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
Speaker: And, and it just shows character as well, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, like it can feel unsatisfying to be like, oh, it's not noticeable.
Mm-hmm. So am I doing it to be noticed?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah.
Speaker: Am I doing it 'cause I care about whatever it is that I'm doing and that's is done right?
Speaker 2: The, uh, the experienced person, you know, professional. Does what's best for the whole
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: right. Not just what is best for them or what they wanna do.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. I feel like after 10 episodes, it's just really come up a lot that a lot of growth and movement, pursuit of excellence. Often, um, the steps that you want to be significant can be unnoticed or. [00:14:00] Unseen, which comes back to the podcast.
Speaker 2: It's kind of funny, like the whole point is that it's unnoticed, but, or like investing in the unseen.
But then when you actually ask about it, it's hard to put a finger on it.
Speaker: It's hard to put a finger on it. Yeah. And sometimes it's even noticed unnoticed to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So we had our guest, Lynn, for example, share. She had some great examples and then she offhandedly talked about writing notes a lot, and that wasn't her specific answer to the question.
Yeah, but that really hit me. I'm like, that's. That's a big deal. Mm-hmm. And, um, I think she knew it was a big deal. That's why she did it. Obviously she cared about it, but it was so natural to her that it just was like, it didn't come register as like, this is my, you know, the thing that's a bamboo effort for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She didn't write that down on the bamboo method sheet, you know, because it was so, it's so natural for her. She didn't even think of it as a thing she did.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker 2: It just was, it's like breathing. It just, you don't think about it as like, what? [00:15:00] What's my favorite thing to do? It's like, I breathe. Yes.
It's like, well, yeah, you don't think of that.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: and a lot of growth, even externally, when you know we want to get better at something, you think every single step's gonna be noticed, noticeable, and like a big deal. But sometimes the better you get, the less it's notice, the less noticeable it is. As a music example, um, my brother used to be a part of this band called Sky Collide.
Hello guys, if you're listening and you out there, grant Parker, Bart, Matt, Jordan, and good guys. Wow, that sounds
Speaker 2: like a two thousands band.
Speaker: It, yeah, two thousands. Um, alternative Christian music. Uh, and, uh, I was, I was a, um, impassioned groupie of this band.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker: Um, but they went, they went and did some shows and, and there was one song where my brother was the lead guitarist and he just had chords that he was playing really fast and, um, that like finished out the song and then [00:16:00] it ended with just the guitar and he carried it out.
And at this one show, um, there's a kid up at the front, everyone could hear it. At the end, he just goes, I could do that. He's just playing fast.
Speaker 2: He said it out loud, out
Speaker: loud. I, and it was just kinda this like, uh, and that's always just like stuck out to me as like one, it's just kinda funny.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
Speaker: But it comes back to this idea that's like, well, like on that one, probably not like playing fast and sustaining it is actually challenging. Sure. Yeah. You actually have to be pretty
Speaker 2: good to do that
Speaker: probably. Yeah. But there is a level of like, if that's all you're trying to do. Sure you might be able to learn that in like a month or two or a year.
Like the road to playing that is, is fairly short.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: But the road to writing that as an appropriate part for a song that's a long road.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And that's what music is, right. We're not just learning parts, we're learning something that connects with someone else.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: In a deep way. So being able to write that stuff and know how to play it, know when to play it [00:17:00] and how to play it right, and all that kind of stuff.
There's a technicality, um, in just the de design of that and the writing of that, that can so often be missed. Um, and unnoticed.
Speaker 2: It's like the difference between a cover band and the original band.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like obviously you have to be a fairly solid musician to be a cover band. Yep. You know, to be an ac DC cover band, you gotta be like pretty good at, you know, playing all the instruments.
But the difference, like execution is fairly easy. The road is straightforward. You can just practice and get better at playing guitar, and then you can play that AC, CD, C part. Mm-hmm. But to come up with that part, to create the music from scratch, that's a whole different, whole different level.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2: Before we move on from music, I guess Darren King. I know we've brought him up before. Oh yeah. But you know, so Sam was my drum teacher back in the day.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Um, and part of the loon lore Yeah. Is the drum teaching. But I remember the first Mute math song I, I [00:18:00] played, you know, as homework. I came into the lesson, played the song, and you told me like, let's listen to it again, like play it again.
I played it again. I'm like, yeah, it wasn't perfect, but you know, I'm getting there like you're doing something that isn't there. Like play. Just listen to it really closely. Listen, listen. Don't play. Listen. And I couldn't figure it out just by listening, but you broke it to me that he doesn't use crash symbols.
Yeah. So he only has the ride in the high hat. And if you don't know what those are, you can look it up on your own time, but uh, go Google it. But he doesn't have a bunch of symbols. Not everything. He just has two symbols. And so I was hitting all these symbols up here.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And really. They didn't even exist in the song he recorded.
Speaker: Maybe just do a vocal walkthrough on what? Like the high hat ride crash.
Speaker 2: Uh, hi. Hats on the side. Uh, it's more like Ride. Yeah, sure. And then Ride is a tink dink ding.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're joking. Were you. [00:19:00]
Speaker: No.
Speaker 2: And crash symbols are like,
Speaker: it's
Speaker 2: what
Speaker: I was, I didn't want you to do that. No, no. That was it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was playing crash symbols and the music didn't call for it because Darren King, the drummer didn't use them.
And you know, that just shows the, the skill level of he can make the symbols, the limited number of symbols he had sound different. To the point that even me as a drummer, you know, obviously I'm not a professional, but I had been, I had been playing drums for many years and I was doing things that I, you know, I didn't even notice that there were crash balls in the, yeah.
In the song, but I was still playing them. So it just goes to that effortless, he can effortlessly make these noises, these sounds, this music. And even an experienced musician I didn't even notice. Not that experience, but yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Getting into the nerdiness of it a little bit. Like for those of you who don't play drums, not having crashes is, is a pretty like bold move.
Yeah. [00:20:00]
Speaker 2: That's unique.
Speaker: It's unique. And there's been a couple of people who've done that that I've known since then. I don't know if they knew of Darren King or how it came about. I'd never heard of anyone ever not having a crash symbol. Yeah. In a jump set.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, the simplest kit at this point, which was pretty common, is like a trap kit and had two crashes.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker: That was pretty common. Yeah. But to just take out crash symbols is like. That's a thing. Like you can play drones. Is that allowed? I don't think that's allowed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And so, which is pretty just cool again, in, in the experience and skill level to make that decision be like, I can do, I'm just gonna take these out 'cause I don't need 'em.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Just, yeah. Speaks to the, you could say a lot of things about it. Less is more, you know. Sure. The whole simplicity and all that. Yeah. But. But also there was nothing actually simple about what he did. You know, there is also a lot of skill and complexity to that, but just that move was huge. And um, I.
Yeah, I, I, I nerd out on Darren King. Yeah. We can
Speaker 2: talk about Darren King
Speaker: all
Speaker 2: day.
Speaker: He's
Speaker 2: already come [00:21:00] up in the last podcast we did together, so, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. Maybe we can limit it to like two a year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know. Um,
Speaker 2: fine art would be another example of like that effortless lessness, uh, showing up. Um, you know, abstract art usually gets a bad rap.
It's like, it's just like a five-year-old could paint that they're just like splotches on the canvas. Um, splatters of paint, like what's the big deal? And, uh, even for me, I spent a semester in New York and so there's all these, you know, world class museums, art museums there. And so one museum I saw Jackson Pollock for the first time.
He, uh, is a painter from Wyoming. And, uh, he's kind of a pioneer in the abstract art world. He wouldn't even paint them vertically. You would actually lay them down on the floor. Mm-hmm. And would drip paint Okay. Onto the canvas.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And, you know, that was pretty, as far as I, I'm no art expert, but I think that was fairly unique for the time.
And you know, at first glance you just see [00:22:00] that it's the big deal. It's just a bunch of trips. A five-year-old could do that. Yep. I could have made that.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker 2: Uh, first of all, did you though Yep, that's, yep. First question. Absolutely. Uh, Jackson Pollock actually did it.
Speaker: Yep.
Speaker 2: Um, but secondly, you know, so I personally.
Just didn't get abstract or I'm like, yeah, what's the big deal? Um, but when you actually stand in front of a piece, you know, these pieces can be like 10 feet wide and the, the scale of it is moving. But then also the longer I spent staring at it
Speaker 3: mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: The more I could just see all the intentionality.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And it, it felt like. It was just very visceral in that like you could just see like the physical splotches of paint, like they stuck out of the painting and there's a lot of texture and
Speaker: yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, I don't know. It, it, I'm nerding out about Jackson Pollock now, but I could just feel like. The the, you could feel [00:23:00] the artist's hands on it basically.
Yeah. Even though he didn't literally touch it, he just drip paint. You could just feel like every stroke, every paint drip, you could just tell he did on purpose. Yeah. Like even if it was instincts. Yeah. He got to the point in his painting career that he could do it. Just by instinct. And then also he knew when to walk away.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. You know, Darren King didn't do the crash symbols He could have, but he didn't. It's when the artist holds back. That also shows that skill level. Like I don't know how he knew. Okay. That was the very last drip. Like, how do you even know? Like
Speaker: yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna put one more drop of paint Yeah.
In the top. Like, how do you know when it's done? But you did. Yeah. And the pieces was done. And so I, I remember just feeling super moved by it and, and just staring at it for, you know, 10 minutes and being like, okay, that's the deal with abstract art. I guess it is a thing, you know? Yeah. And, uh, there's another piece that.
It sounds really stupid, but it [00:24:00] just moved me in the moment. They wrote five digits, so they wrote 0, 0, 0, 0 1, 0, 0, 0, 0 2, over and over filling the entire canvas. Mm. And sounds really stupid and like, like I wanna
Speaker: see what it looks like
now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it, it's awesome because, uh, not only obviously the numbers are changing.
You could tell when he dipped or she, I guess, I don't know if it was he or she, you could tell when the artist dipped their paintbrush back the she back in the ink.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was like dark and then slowly got lighter and lighter. Yeah. Dark. And so it actually created like a cascading
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, effect.
And so stuff like that is just like that intentionality. It feels so simple. It's like, well, anyone could just write numbers over and over, but.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: we, you know, we didn't, well they didn't,
Speaker: I'm sure the amount
Speaker 2: of time they're the, that
Speaker: did the time it took to create that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And to keep going. The dedication to that idea is significant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And I think when you, [00:25:00] when we talk about the idea of unnoticed, again, that's a little like arbitrary. And you speak to the idea of just like resonance when you resonate with something,
Speaker 2: right.
Speaker: Which is like an element of noticing. You may not be able to say why. Something speaks to you, but it does,
Speaker 2: it's a feeling.
Speaker: Yeah. And when things are done right, it is noticed.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: You know, when things are quality, when it's excellence is achieved, you can absolutely tell. So there is a, a difference and there is all that. But, but that why is missing. And not that you have to have that, but uh, there is something, yeah. So powerful in that strong connection.
One, it's like, you can tell like. Something there. Yeah. You can feel it.
Speaker 2: Not sure what it is, but it's something.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, you can't really put your finger on it. Oftentimes. You can't really describe it.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: But it's there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like why is your favorite song your favorite song?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah. You could try to explain it.
Mm-hmm. But just the feeling it creates.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Which kind [00:26:00] of comes back to, you really have to ask that question. First you have to ask, why am I doing the things that I'm doing and, and gonna keep putting the effort into it? And it's part of the whole point of this podcast is like, what are the things that are worth continuing to put time and energy and effort into?
Mm-hmm. Even though it might go unnoticed, investing in the unseen, it might be unseen right, or may not be seen for a long time or whatever it would be. But what are those things that are worth doing that? And you have to ask like, what's my motivation behind it? And, um, if it is to be noticed and seen, it's like you're maybe pick something else or like really rethink your motivations in life, I guess.
Um, and every human being has that desire to be seen and noticed and acknowledged, and I don't think that's all bad. Um, I think that's an important human connection. Um, wanna know that we have value and um, but you know, when we're putting effort and energy into something. Really brings you back to that core question of why are you doing it and why does it [00:27:00] matter?
And once you land on really the purpose of what you're doing, and if that's the most important thing, you just keep putting it, knowing that it's going to translate eventually. And especially speaking the art space, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, but I think anything else, it's, it's, when you think about relationship, it's like even, it's like, I'm not, it's not about going noticed, but I'm gonna do these things, write letters.
I'm going to, um, keep doing these things that matter to this person. Over the course of time, knowing that eventually it's gonna translate to something really meaningful for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, uh, you can tell what the most important things in each guest's life is, you know, or guests on the podcast in this case.
Mm-hmm. Or the artist's life, whatever, you know, the most important things, the most valuable things in life to that person are the, probably those things that they spend the most time on, day in, day out.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: That take a long time to see the fruit of,
Speaker 3: yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, I mean, the last episode is Jessica Hanon. She, you know, is an amazing designer, [00:28:00] interior designer, um, amongst many other things, but she brought up her kids as mm-hmm.
The personal thing, she's nurturing and, you know, kids feels like a bit of an easy answer, but it's, you know, you could just tell is the absolute truth. That's like mm-hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What she cares the most about in the world are her kids and her husband. And so those are the things she's gonna spend the most time on.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, for Jackson Pollock, you know, his, one of the most important things in his life, I assume was creating the best already, possibly could. That's why he did it for so long. It speaks to your character, I feel like. And you can tell a lot about someone.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: By what those things are that they spend a lot of time on.
Lynn is our example, you know, for the day seems like is the writing notes. She just truly cares about other people. Mm-hmm. How they're doing. So she's gonna put in that little bit of effort, may not seem like a lot, but a little bit of effort every day. Mm-hmm. Adds up to a lot. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. [00:29:00] And you can tell a lot about her from that.
Speaker: Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah,
Speaker: yeah. Well, and you just think about the. We could tell 'cause we also talked about it. Yeah. But you know, the people around her can tell 'cause they experience it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And so the impact, the, the wake of that, um, one of the, the visuals that I love when you think about like, legacy, um, is a term that Henry Cloud talks about.
Your wake, it's like a boat's wake. The ripples.
Speaker 2: The ripples.
Speaker: Yeah. Sure. Yeah. What's, what's your wake like, what's it like being around you and behind you and, um. Interesting. Yeah. So you think about like, everyone feels those ripples that keeps coming. It's just, it's like you said, it's just so evident. And if we asked people around her, they may not even say like, oh, it's 'cause she writes letters.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Right. She writes these notes. They may not even be able to put a finger on it, but they just know it's like she cares about me.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: I can tell like all the things Yeah. But like I, maybe they, maybe they would be able to give [00:30:00] the why. Maybe not, but you know that they feel it. And that like connection piece is there when you can see this like, oh, there's the care and intentionality and time put into that.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. What do you hope your wake is like?
Speaker: Whoa.
Speaker 2: Personally or what? Professionally question. Yeah.
Speaker: Getting deep, dude.
Speaker 2: Well, hey,
Speaker: that's a good question. Um, well, first and foremost, I hope that my wake just points to Jesus that like people around me. It's all, all about Jesus. And I think the next one would be maybe I care most about my wake is that who's most impacted by my wake and that that would be like my family.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: You know, I've just heard stories where like, this guy is a true story of a guy. He went to his dad's funeral and everyone got up and just talked about how incredible he was. [00:31:00] And he got up and he is like, sounds like a great guy. I didn't know him.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And it's like, Ooh, wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That,
Speaker: that it is like, he was, worked so hard to be a good guy for all of you guys.
And in the midst of it, like he wasn't, he wasn't a horrible dad. I just, I just didn't see him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So for me, like it's not just about having that lake, that wake and legacy, but it's like who's the primary recipients of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And so that, that would like first and foremost be my wife and my kids, and that they would get to always get the best of me.
Mm-hmm. Always get the best of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, and then that, yeah. That the people when, when everyone's around me that they would feel seen and heard and like that they have a safe place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, and, uh, I think. Authenticity like that. They feel like they know me. They feel like they're known. And that deep like connection I think is a big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: What about you? [00:32:00] Wake and legacy?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean. Before I get maybe to my wake, it also comes, brings to mind, uh, Luke Anderson's episode.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, again, we'll, we'll have links to these to listen to. Luke's was a really good episode too. Uh, they've all been awesome. Um, but he talked about working with business owners and these business owners are building it for their family, right?
They're working day in day out to build a, you know, a legacy, a business wealth, whatever that may be. Um, but they might lose sight of actually being there for their kids.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: And so it's kinda like this, this really sad irony, like the story you brought up of, you know, who are you building it for your kids?
Well, they might be the ones that lose out on
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, that connection, what you say, I think speaks to that and that you do keep your family first. [00:33:00] Um, and so what you're building it for. You also get to connect with and mm-hmm. Enjoy and love.
Speaker: It can, it can be so easy to get lost in all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Right.
Speaker: And I think we live in a world that's so busy, right. There's so much stuff. It could just be so easy to have your mind occupied by what's coming, what already happened.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And like one of my biggest challenges is hard for me to do, but I work hard on it just being present.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: It's like, are you in the moment?
Mm-hmm. Like I might be building something for my kids, but right now they just need me. Not what I'm building for him Yeah. To be there. And that's, I think that's true for other people. It's like, do you have time for me? We're all just so busy.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: It's like, I think if, if people could say something about me, obviously that I point to Jesus, but at the end of the day, they'd just say like, he had time for me.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: He was, and when he was there, he was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, your daughter just turned five. It's like, well, I'm sure someday she'll understand like, oh yeah, dad built this business. You know, he raised us. You provided for us. All those things are important. But when she's five it's like she [00:34:00] just wants to be with you.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, just have fun like
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or, uh, you know, I. I think it's easy to, like, I don't have kids, but whenever I'm around kids go straight to like, oh, you gotta like do all the crazy stuff, like go on a trip or you know, vacation, all those things. It's like, well, they really just want to talk with you.
And like, I love just listening to a 4-year-old talks, like, I don't, like, just listening to 'em is so fun.
Speaker: Oh yeah. And
Speaker 2: so like in that moment, yeah, you of course like do those experiences and, and big stuff is important parties, whatever. But yeah, those core memories are. Probably the really small things that just took time, took intentionality, took being present.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In that moment.
Speaker: Yeah. When it's easy to think of, again, it comes, comes back to a bit of what we're talking about at the beginning of like what's noticed and what's seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: It's easy to think in all things of life, you know, relationships, marriage, parenting, business. You're kind of seeking these like big moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You think and you know, [00:35:00] to parenting, you think there's gonna be these big moments, the trip to Disneyland, the birthday, the
Speaker 2: graduation
Speaker: graduate. Yeah. And I think life is mostly, if not exclusively, a bunch of small moments and a bunch of small decisions. Yeah. That build on each other and are if by itself, unnoticed and uns.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker: But over time have that impact.
Speaker 2: They all add up.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And that can again, feel somewhat unsatisfying that it's like, yeah. It's like I'm just waiting for these big moments to be like, like the dad of the year, you know this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I made it.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Like this, like Instagram worthy, like gonna like be a core memory moment that my kid can always remember.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: When it's just more important to have so many, like meaningful touches, little things every day. Consistency.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: That's just, that's gonna, that's the long game.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker: And it's not glamorous. It's often not exciting. Mm-hmm. The things I'm outta to them, it's generally, like you said, just having a conversation.
Do you [00:36:00] have time for me? Can you look me in the eye?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Can you play this game really quick that you might not enjoy? I have a question for you. Can you, whatever it be. Yeah. It's just like these little things.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Bunch, a bunch of little things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, even thinking about, you know, my own dad, it's like, of course there were big moments and going on fun trips, stuff like that.
But like, I just always think about how much we would laugh and like make voices and um, yeah, just those are the things that kind of stick with me come to mind quickly is just like, just laughing and. Having, you know, doing British accents and like Monty Python sketches, it's like, you know, uh, imitating a Monty Python sketch is not a like Yeah.
Data of the year moment seemingly from the surface.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But that's what I remember. Mm-hmm. And that's what I, you know, cherish Thinking about your wake, what are some of those tangible things you actually do day in, day out to leave that wake that you're hoping to?
Speaker: Yeah, I. It is a little hard to think of for a couple reasons.
[00:37:00] Um, one, it it sometimes you just don't notice. Yeah. And two, that's kinda the whole thing that we're talking about. The irony of it also, I'm like, can I actually say this out loud and claim, you know, that I do this? 'cause I'm like, Ooh, look, you know, some of the harsh judge in my head is like, well, you're not, you know, great at that.
But I'll say the things that are, I would say are somewhat aspirational.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: You know, I'm not perfect. But I strive for and are like a big deal to me. And that is, um, you know, being present with my kids. So just having my phone down.
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker: looking them in the eye, reading books to them and with them playing the games.
We have a game that we play frequently called Lava Monster. It's literally just wrestling.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: I'm the waffle monster. Sure. They try to take me down.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker: We go until someone cries.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I, we had a game like that that was just throw pillows at dad.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it, yeah, we played it and had a lot of fun.
I don't remember what the name of it was. I think we had a name, but yeah. You played it until one of us hit our head on the corner [00:38:00] Yeah, yeah. Of the, uh, bookcase and then it was over.
Speaker: Yep. It's, it's inevitable. Yeah. With five kids, someone's eventually gonna get hurt. I always try to cut it off right before that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah.
Speaker: And it's hard
Speaker 2: probably half the time you get there, maybe. Maybe.
Speaker: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And just, um, having like consistent traditions, you know, our daughter just turned five and, um, every year or every birthday we go get donuts. We, we have donuts there. They wake up to, it's not a huge deal, but it's just a consistent thing that we do.
Yeah. You know, I don't know if they'll ever remember it, but just like that small thing of donuts, um, every time for birthdays. All your
Speaker 2: kids. Right.
Speaker: All kids. And so Potter was even asking about it. 'cause I took him with me to go get the donuts this time and you gotta help pick him out. And, um, he was asking about it.
I was like, there's, we've had 25. Or in two weeks, our other daughter turns three and we will have had 25 birthdays up to this point with all the kids and we've Oh, wow. Done it [00:39:00] 25 times. And so, um, so things like that, um, seemingly insignificant little, um, are the things that I strive to just have these consistencies, um, reading every night with them, the Bible before they go to bed.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Um, and you know, if they're, if they're asking for something from me. Were, my gut response is it's so much easier to just say no. And I try to like, have to find a good reason to say no before I say no.
Speaker 2: What's an example?
Speaker: Something as simple as like, can, like, can you play right now or can you read this book to me?
Can I have a banana or like a snack or like, can we go do this thing? Um, if they're, if they're wanting something from me, oftentimes it's a bid for connection.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And so instead of like, they're asking for attention, instead of it just being the easy answer of like, no, [00:40:00] like what's a, what's a yes that I can say if it's, if what they're asking for is not possible, how can I adjust that to something that I can do?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Instead of the easy no. Um, or sometimes it's just my energy and I'm just like, oh, it's just easier if you just go play on your own. So like saying yes whenever I can, um, that's hard for me.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And so, but that's one that I, that I continue to try to do and strive towards is not be. Like, take the easy route of just say no.
Speaker 2: Was that something that you, like, heard about or like how did that develop?
Speaker: Yeah, so I, I, uh, a little bit of just like, I've experienced it as a dad and then I've, yeah, I've heard, uh, a friend of mine talked about how a similar thing and he's like, just say yes as often as you can. If there's not a good reason to say no, say yes.
To your kids all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And so, um, question
Speaker 2: for candy over and over. Yeah. You have a reason to say no?
Speaker: That's a good reason to say no.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker: Exactly. Um, if you want ice cream for dinner, [00:41:00] that's a good reason to say no.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Um, but it, but as a parent, no. Just becomes such an easy answer and, and, and a simple no.
As opposed to like, how do we adjust it?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: You know? Um, like, Hey, can we go to the park today? And it's like, or can we go to the park right now? Instead of it just being like, no, it's like how do I adjust that to like, well, we can't do that today, but we could make time for that tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker: Um, and just how do I make it not just a no or thinking this is a bid for connection.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker: What they're wanting is probably me or time with me or something in that. So how can I give that to them? Mm-hmm. What's the yes in that as opposed to just no to what they ask for. They may not even be asking the right question, so how can I. Re, you know, restructure it to be like, this is actually what you're looking for.
How gonna read you a book? How, how about we do this thing, um, that I know you're gonna love and we get to hang out and spend time together.
Speaker 2: Yeah. [00:42:00]
Speaker: Um, so that's, that can be a tough one. And it takes energy. And with five young kids, I, I can, you can ask my wife, I can tend to lean towards just the, no.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Yeah.
Speaker: And, um. It's, it's a tough one, but that's, that I think paves the way for a lot of opportunities to be present with them and have experiences and it's, it can also feel like this little thing, you know, a no, here's fine, but a little or a little yes here, a little yes here. Those little, little moments that are gonna matter over the course of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And those pay dividends, right? Mm-hmm. It's like that's an investment that just grows
Speaker: mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: At time. Yeah. And the little things, the little things matter.
Speaker: Mm-hmm. Yep. And, uh, and, and just those little points of intentionality to like be seen and known. One thing I do with that I've done with my four oldest is I have a secret handshake with each of them, and it's just a lot of fun.
And so they each have their own and we get to add like a new thing to it, you know, every few weeks. Um, but it's just one of those things that like with [00:43:00] five kids. It's so hard to create any individuality.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker: There's so many group things.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: So many things we do. You know, it's hard to get 'em all one-on-one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And I know as time goes on, there will be that tension of like each of them feeling seen and heard individually and be able to give them what they need on their own.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Just my time to be able to do that.
Speaker 2: Because you have limits.
Speaker: I have my limits.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker: I've hit them a number of times.
Sure. And, um, so that was one thing I decided to do. I actually saw it on, um, Instagram of his dad had these secret handshakes with all of his kids. And I'm just like, that is so cool. I'm gonna do that. Heck yeah. And so, um, and they love it. She's so much fun that it's just a thing that they have with just me.
And so, um, and that I, you know, I hope it's something that we continue to carry through all of their childhood. And when they're adults, it's like this, this is mine. Yours. Yep.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be in the wheelchair and they're just gonna be hitting you
with
Speaker 2: that super head. Yeah. That's like [00:44:00] five minutes long by that point.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Which means I should probably not have any moves that require jumping.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah. Think about that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Long
Speaker: term here. Yes. Long term.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: What can I do? Sitting down?
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thinking about my own wake. I, I never heard the term wake. I, I know obviously I've heard like ripple effect or things like that.
I guess I hope, yeah, I, I, I'd hope that my wake is just like net positive. That feels kind of arbitrary, but like, I just hope that anyone that interacts with me, it's like their day got a little bit better than if they didn't. Yeah. Hopefully that's the idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And, uh Right. You know, make someone smile.
Um, eye contact is a big one for me too, listening. Uh, it's so easy to just not really listen, I think. Mm-hmm. That's another kind of like societal thing. Um, that I try to go against is people hear a lot and talk a lot, but like how much listening happens.
Speaker: [00:45:00] Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a little, you know, questionable.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, you know, maybe if you know me, hopefully that is true. You know, saying it out loud is a little bit vulnerable. Like, like, oh
Speaker: crap.
Speaker 2: Someone's like, oh, really? Listening way. Oh, that way.
Speaker: Interesting. Is that aspirational?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Someday listening is gonna be my way. Yeah. Yeah. It's a
Speaker: 2026 goal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Right. Yeah. Someday listening. What's going, what's going on in your tombstone? Yeah. True. Like, uh, yeah. But yeah, hope, hope, hopefully I could just be a, a positive moment. You know, I, I like to make people laugh. Small one, but I would say like, make someone laugh. Make someone stay a little bit better.
Speaker: Yeah. No, I like that.
I, I think the idea of being that like when people around you, they feel like you're more giving than taking
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah.
Speaker: It's like he's not here 'cause he wants something from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: But maybe like he has something to give
Speaker 2: sure.
Speaker: That we can all benefit from, which is gonna make my day better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: That's good way
Speaker 2: of
Speaker: putting it. And there's people out there when like, like right away it's like, you can tell, it's like, okay, they're here to get something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Like, or [00:46:00] they're like. I think we all have had those relationships or experiences where it's like someone calls and you're like, they need something from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's like, Ugh. And it's like, I always hope that I'm like, don't I hope no one ever experiences me that way. You know? Yeah. Maybe some people have, but it's like, ooh. Like you just want people to feel like, oh, they're calling. I wanna talk to 'em. 'cause Yeah. You know, hopefully it's a good conversation and.
They're not always taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You see that name pop up, you're like, oh, what is it? Yeah. What is it this time
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 2: Never wanna be like that.
Speaker: Yeah. Net positive. It's like, give her not a taker. Mm-hmm. It's like, I want you to have something in this conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: As opposed to always being like, I'm only gonna talk to you if I need something.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think, uh, I think the listening component is a big piece of that for me.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Personally.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Is, yeah. Leave it better than you found it in the sense that like you felt listened to and, uh.
Speaker: How can you make someone's day better if you mm-hmm. Don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. I, uh, there's a phrase that kind of coming back to tangibles.
I think, uh, you and [00:47:00] I, Sam, are go to the 10,000 foot view all the time.
Speaker: Yeah. That's me.
Speaker 2: That's my, yeah, that's your low 10 to 30, even higher
Speaker: thousand. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Um, but kind of bringing it to tangibles and I, you know, we always hope this podcast can kind of come back to tangibles writing notes. A tangible for me in that is a buddy of mine.
Said, whenever he, you know, is getting groceries, the checker or maybe the, the gal at the coffee shop on the cash register, whatever, you ask him how their shift is going. Instead of saying, how's it going? Good, how are you? Good. You say, how is your shift going? I've been so surprised I almost never not get a one word answer.
Like it's always like. They just tell, start telling you their life story a little bit. Yeah. And it's so interesting how simple that is.
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: How's it going? How's your shift going? It's like, you know, a couple word difference, but something about that just makes that person feel seen in that moment. Yeah.
And they say like, you know, I'm just getting [00:48:00] started tonight. It's gonna be a long day. It's like, oh, like I just learned something about you. I don't even know you, like you. I, I got to learn something about that person that I wouldn't have otherwise.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, I, I do that almost everywhere I go now, and I challenge listeners to try it.
It's amazing the kind of answers you can get.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you say, how's the shift going?
Speaker: It's a gateway too, into like more questions. Right? Sure. If they said that, um, my shifts just, just started, it's gonna be a long night. Oh, is that gonna be a long night? Like you are, like, it's a gateway into a conversation.
Mm-hmm. Just that like. I wanna use the word shift, but now the shift in the word question shift, but that a simple adjustment
Speaker 2: mm-hmm.
Speaker: Gets an engagement into a conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Which I think part of the challenge there too is that if I'm at the grocery store, or I'll go into the bank, or do I actually care to have a conversation with that person.
Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a challenge for myself too.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. It's like, or am I just trying to get through my day?
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: As opposed to seeing the person who's serving me. Asking [00:49:00] them a question. Caring in that moment. Yeah. Listening in that moment. Having a positive interaction. Um, when it's like we're around each other a lot
Speaker 2: mm-hmm.
Speaker: As people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: But how often do we connect in those moments that we're around each other?
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it, it is a challenge for me too, that. Yeah, just getting groceries, it's like, oh gosh. Like, you know, it's on the to-do list, right? Mm-hmm. And then you get your stuff and you know, WinCo, Costco's so busy, you know, I gotta get through it.
Mm-hmm. And you finally get to the check through line, you're like, let's speed this up. But then you take a second and say, how's your shift going? You know, that take you out of your own, you know, day to day annoying, like, you know, takes you out of the take, take, take, uh, what do you, you know, what do you need?
Um, and. You see the other person mm-hmm. In that moment. And, uh, and so it's a challenge for myself too, of like, Hey, who is this person? You know, their, their person and their [00:50:00] day, their crappy day just like I am, you know? Mm-hmm. And so I, it, I think it, uh, yeah, it's a net po positive moment.
Speaker: Love that.
Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, that'd be a tangible for me.
So
Speaker: yeah. As someone who's around you a lot, I think you're leaving a net positive.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Sam.
Speaker: Uh, way more often than any, any other net I don't know that I've experienced an a net negative, so
Speaker 2: thanks.
Speaker: Success.
Speaker 2: I, I I can be pretty crabby in the morning though.
Speaker: You're different in the end. I've experienced that too.
Yeah. But, uh, maybe it's because I get a carry most days all the way to the end. That's true. True. That's your net po net positive.
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah. Hey, net positive. Starting from the beginning all the way to the end, not just the morning. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. If I leave early. No, just kidding. Um, no. Even, even when you're.
What you would call grumpy doesn't come off super grumpy.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Sam. I've never seen you grumpy, so,
Speaker: oh, I, I have my moments.
Speaker 2: Maybe,
Speaker: maybe
Speaker 2: it's not often though.
Speaker: Maybe not. Should I be grumpy more?
Speaker 2: [00:51:00] No.
Speaker: Is that an invitation?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not. Yeah, I should be careful what I say.
Speaker: Yeah. Uh, no, I don't. I I tend to be a, a, uh, generally positive person.
I do have emotions and I express them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no emo, but emotions and like feeling negative or grumpy, not the same thing. Right. Emotions being emotional doesn't mean like you're doing bad, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker: Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I, I don't find you not emotional, you know? Yeah. You're, you're.
Passionate emotions, but I just never see grumpy.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2: Or mad. That's fair. Well, I see mad, but anyway, we don't have to kill.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. I've been mad. No. Yeah. I don't know that I'm often a grumpy person. I do get mad. Um, in the emotions, but emotions. That's a, maybe that's its own episode. That's a whole topic.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's not a podcast. 11 topic. That might be down the road. Who knows?
Speaker: Yeah. Need to have a few more dinners before we have that serious talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: [00:52:00] Yeah. Maybe 20.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker: Um.
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